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I don't understand how saying Rosalina jab shuts down many characters is "hate".

The difference between Rosalina jab and Sheik fair is that you have to perfectly space fair. Jab is just something you can use anywhere and be effective with.
There's also the fact that Sheik often has to attack her opponents head-on if she wants to KO them. This means that she often has to take some big hits to have any chance of winning.

Rosalina has a lot more options in her arsenal, thanks to the Luma being by her side, and while it's true that Rosalina is a hard character for beginners to use, at least she doesn't always have to charge head-on into a battle like most other fighters.

And when you take into account her custom specials, especially the likes of Luma Warp and Shooting Star Bit, Rosalina can turn into one of the safer fighters (if not the safest) to use against anyone who lacks a reflector move, and is very sluggish in mobility.
 

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There's also the fact that Sheik often has to attack her opponents head-on if she wants to KO them. This means that she often has to take some big hits to have any chance of winning.

Rosalina has a lot more options in her arsenal, thanks to the Luma being by her side, and while it's true that Rosalina is a hard character for beginners to use, at least she doesn't always have to charge head-on into a battle like most other fighters.

And when you take into account her custom specials, especially the likes of Luma Warp and Shooting Star Bit, Rosalina can turn into one of the safer fighters (if not the safest) to use against anyone who lacks a reflector move, and is very sluggish in mobility.



And I thought people undersold Rosalina & Luma. Seems Sheik might be even more undersold in some parts.
 
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And I thought people undersold Rosalina & Luma. Seems Sheik might be even more undersold in some parts.
Say what you want, but the fact still remains that Sheik is not as easy to use as you claim her to be. This also applies to Greninja, since Water Shuriken isn't exactly the most efficient projectile out there, and most of its approaches are not safe either.
 

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Except Rosalina's jab requires much more of a commitment than Sheik's F-air.



That's a huge exaggeration. Since when is Rosalina's own Side Smash weak? It still KO's earlier than a lot of Side Smashes in the game. Luma's is a cherry on top, not the bread and butter.
I always have a hard time to do up tilt with out Luma, it seems that some Luma's attack knockbacks are more powerful than Rosalina's.
 

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I just wanted to put this here just in case, although this a pretty old graph (I couldn't find the most recent chart with character uses and success rates) it still shows how much Sheik is used over Rosalina.
http://smashboards.com/rankings/smash-wii-u.8/league/teams

Now why is it that Sheik is picked over twice the amount of times Rosalina is? Rosalina is a great top tier character with many useful and unique tools and can do pretty well vs most of the cast, similarly to Sheik. So why is it that people tend to pick Sheik rather than Rosalina most of the time? More often then not, if people have a character that can net them easier wins they will play these characters especially when money is involved, this is not true 100% of the time. At the end of the day there are many people that will pick characters if their good, easy to play and easy to win with amd (I.E pre patch diddy-HooHah days) there's nothing wrong with that.

If any of you can find that chart with the info on how much a character is used and how often it appears in top 16, top 8 and 1st place I would appreciate it

Edit: Never mind I found it! Keep in mind this chart is from March so it's 3 months old
http://smashboards.com/threads/usage-based-tier-considerations.396301/

It would be nice if someone updated this chart, it would be interesting to see how much has changed since the fall of the Diddy Dynasty
 
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I just wanted to put this here just in case, although this a pretty old graph (I couldn't find the most recent chart with character uses and success rates) it still shows how much Sheik is used over Rosalina.
http://smashboards.com/rankings/smash-wii-u.8/league/teams

Now why is it that Sheik is picked over twice the amount of times Rosalina is? Rosalina is a great top tier character with many useful and unique tools and can do pretty well vs most of the cast, similarly to Sheik. So why is it that people tend to pick Sheik rather than Rosalina most of the time? More often then not, if people have a character that can net them easier wins they will play these characters especially when money is involved, this is not true 100% of the time. At the end of the day there are many people that will pick characters if their good, easy to play and easy to win with amd (I.E pre patch diddy-HooHah days) there's nothing wrong with that.

If any of you can find that chart with the info on how much a character is used and how often it appears in top 16, top 8 and 1st place I would appreciate it

Edit: Never mind I found it! Keep in mind this chart is from March so it's 3 months old
http://smashboards.com/threads/usage-based-tier-considerations.396301/

It would be nice if someone updated this chart, it would be interesting to see how much has changed since the fall of the Diddy Dynasty
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Say what you want, but the fact still remains that Sheik is not as easy to use as you claim her to be. This also applies to Greninja, since Water Shuriken isn't exactly the most efficient projectile out there, and most of its approaches are not safe either.
You haven't exactly proven either of these things though.

Like I said, while Sheik mainly focuses on getting up close and rushing down opponents with her combos, she is more than built for that. Her moves have barely any lag and the little launch power on many of her moves means she can follow-up ad infinitum. She can then also choose to zone people with needles and burst grenades, and then can safely jump back into close combat with bouncing fish or just her sheer speed and safe attacks, like F-air.

I could go on, but I don't even play Sheik too much and already I can come up with a lot of very easy, but effective strategies. Mastering Sheik is like a rhythm game - you just need to know when her combos hit and master that timing. That isn't very hard to do. If I wanted to, I could become a competent Sheik player with a few hours of practice, if not less. Sheik also focuses on rushdown and camping, which are two practices that Smash players are more than familiar with, so it's not like I wouldn't have a basis going in.

Greninja is kinda a similar deal, except he's more bait-and punish. That's still something Smash players are well acquainted with, though (:4falcon:). Furthermore, his Water Shuriken is more than efficient. It's great as an aerial projectile and to threaten space while edge guarding, and on the ground, using uncharged ones while performing backward short hops works wonders for keeping the opponent at bay.

When talking about "how technical/hard to use" a character is, I'm not looking at how hard some people personally feel they are to use, or even how good the character is competitively. I'm looking at:

-Skill Floor for beginners (much of this is defined by how safe they are overall when it comes to throwing out attacks, or just how easy the attacks are to understand - how careless and button mashy you can afford to be)
-Amount of unique advanced techniques they have/reliance on general ATs
-Familiarity
-Whether they are reliant on tried and true formulas or require the player to get creative

Rosalina easily has one of the highest skill floors of all the characters in the game, has probably got the most unique advanced techniques of all characters in the game (Sonic and Pac-Man are really the only characters that might rival her there), she is easily the most unique and fresh fighter in the game (Ryu and Shulk may have technicalities and fresh gimmicks for Smash, but Ryu at his core is still a straight forward brawler character with a focus on rushdown and combos, and Shulk is still a straight forward swordfighter with a focus on spacing. Also, Ryu feels very similar to his Street Fighter II incarnation, a lot of the knowledge from that game actually carries over well into Smash, and there is a lot of overlap between Street Fighter fans and Smash fans), and Rosalina doesn't have much in the way of bread and butter combos and tactics, something Sheik has in spades. Rosalina requires creativity and intuition. And requires the player genuinely think about what they're doing on a case by case basis.

There is a reason why Rosalina is barely used in tournaments compared to characters that are competitively not as good by comparison, and despite her being the ONE truly valid counter to the other top tier in the game. It's because people find her very hard to use, they can't just get good with her overnight and look up a few bread and butter, 0-death combos online or anything like that.
 

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No, I mean, I just "thought" you have just become a premium member, my mistake.
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This may seem a little rude, especially since you're a Mario main so I apologize ahead of time but when I see Mario and Peach pairings I think of this

Peach:

Mario:

I don't think Mario is as bad looking as that guy but how weird would it be if you saw those 2 dating?
 
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I made it a little better. :V
Thinking of use this pic as your profile pic?
This may seem a little rude, especially since you're a Mario main so I apologize ahead of time but when I see Mario and Peach pairings I think of this

Peach:

Mario:
I don't think Mario is as bad looking as that guy but how weird would it be if you saw those 2 dating?
My reaction seeing that Mario one

To me, it's nothing that unusual. I think it's fine ti me to saw them dating.
 
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So I was finally able to dowload the DLC.

......I don't know what else to say though? Rosalina is awesome I guess.
 

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This makes no sense at all, since in truth, Rosalina was born long before Peach, the Mario Bros., and even Bowser.
I can't remember how did Game theory get through with the time issue, it sounded really complicated.
 

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I can't remember how did Game theory get through with the time issue, it sounded really complicated.
I just think that Rosalina's story took place long before the events of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. A theory perhaps, but one that makes a lot more sense than the other theory rubbish that I've seen.
 

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I can't remember how did Game theory get through with the time issue, it sounded really complicated.
The universe reset.

He tried to explain Rosalina staying the same age because the faster you travel through space, the slower time moves (which was proven when a watch was put out in space, but he implies that Rosalina has been travelling at the speed of light consistenty for 100 years.)
 

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The universe reset.

He tried to explain Rosalina staying the same age because the faster you travel through space, the slower time moves (which was proven when a watch was put out in space, but he implies that Rosalina has been travelling at the speed of light consistenty for 100 years.)
That's a really far fetched theory that is build on practically nothing except imagination, normally people come up with theories with some kind of foundation.
 

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I just think that Rosalina's story took place long before the events of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. A theory perhaps, but one that makes a lot more sense than the other theory rubbish that I've seen.
Well, you don't have any solid evidence of your theory, since it could also happen way before even Mario was born right?
The universe reset.

He tried to explain Rosalina staying the same age because the faster you travel through space, the slower time moves (which was proven when a watch was put out in space, but he implies that Rosalina has been travelling at the speed of light consistenty for 100 years.)
That was probably to just explain why Rosalina can stay nearly immortal, even though has been over 1000 years. I don't really think that's an explanation of why Rosalina can be the daughter of Mario and Peach, I think it was the wormhole theory?
I still don't know if they have explain her exact timeline or not, did they, if not, then those theories doesn't make any sense already.
 
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Personally, I think Rosalina is Peach's great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great Aunt.

And before anyone says Rosalina isn't a Princess, she might not be anymore, but the official site for Mario Kart 8 calls Baby Rosalina a princess, so she at least use to be.
 

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A lot of theories heavily lack evidence anyway.
especially video game theories, I watch Game Theory just for entertainment. DidYouKnowGaming however, I think it's more awesome.
Personally, I think Rosalina is Peach's great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great Aunt.

And before anyone says Rosalina isn't a Princess, she might not be anymore, but the official site for Mario Kart 8 calls Baby Rosalina a princess, so she at least use to be.
Or simply just say Peach is her descendant.

I do kind of agree that Rosalina might have been a princess.
 

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I would never say that Rosalina is a princess, let alone used to be. I don't remember Nintendo calling her a princess themselves. They call *****, I mean Peach, princess but not Rosalina.
 
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I think She used to be one , but not anymore.

Rosalina is definetly some kind of Royalty , and a leader to the extend. Her crown is a symbol of leadership and High status and power , socially speaking.

Anyway , Wild Woods is a really Gorgeous track to take pictures. But i hate how Rosalina's hair is less animated than in MKWii.
Ironic considering her hair is loose.

And some more in other tracks.


 
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I would never say that Rosalina is a princess, let alone used to be. I don't remember Nintendo calling her a princess themselves. They call *****, I mean Peach, princess but not Rosalina.
And the appearance of Baby Rosalina was kind of contradicting already, she shoud be a bit red hair rather than just Rosalina directly transforms herself into a baby form.
 

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On a side note i think these are the most iconic sounds Rosalina makes in Mario Kart 8 , don't know why but i think they are:

Most iconic Trick:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0RdKG7RBp4M

Most iconic Pass line:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0S9qOqcggUr

Most Iconic Finish line:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s049VM5QBYLf
"TATA" was always my favorite in MK7.

......hmmm i was looking for a new phone notification sound.
and i think i just found it :rosalina:

I had the typical MGS alert noise forever.
 

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Personally, I think Rosalina is Peach's great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great great geat great Aunt.

And before anyone says Rosalina isn't a Princess, she might not be anymore, but the official site for Mario Kart 8 calls Baby Rosalina a princess, so she at least use to be.
That Baby Rosalina isn't canon, nor is MK8. That's most likely a mistake on the part of the English website developers, as it's the only place that mentions it. The Japanese site also doesn't mention the word "princess" in relation to her either.

Also, I'm sick of the "she has a crown" excuse. Crowns =/= Royalty. They are an accessory. They don't have to automatically mean something. And even if it does, Rosalina's crown is more indicative of her being a goddess, as it is made of platinum, which is of higher value than what Peach or Daisy wear. Goddesses are typically designed to have platinum crowns in general anyway.

There is no way she was royalty when she only lived in a small cottage, and wore simple clothes. Seriously, everything else about her screams of her coming from a normal family. People just hang onto the crown thing because it's the only thing that can be twisted in favour of the princess theory/Game Theory's theory.
 
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That Baby Rosalina isn't canon, nor is MK8. That's a mistake on the part of the website developers.

Also, I'm sick of the "she has a crown" excuse. Crowns =/= Royalty. They are an accessory. They don't have to automatically mean something. And even if it does, Rosalina's crown is more indicative of her being a goddess, as it is made of platinum, which is of higher value than what Peach or Daisy wear. Goddesses are typically designed to have platinum crowns in general anyway.

There is no way she was royalty when she only lived in a small cottage, and wore simple clothes. Seriously, everything else about her screams of her coming from a normal family. People just hang onto the crown thing because it's the only thing that can be twisted in favour of the princess theory/Game Theory's theory.
Actually Rosalina's mum wore are really elegant gown similar to the one Rosalina wears and Also a Crown...



I don't think she wore it ''For the lulz!''

Rosalina was just a child and her White dress seems to be just pajamas , and even she is barefoot which makes her look even more carefree and innocent , like the child she was.

This strongly supports the theory that Rosalina is royalty in some way. Also , while Rosalina is never called a ''princess'' , she isn't called a ''Goddess'' either.

She is a leader , the head of the Lumas. If she falls , then game over. She represents the strong , maternal figure of a woman who can be a gentle and a wise leader , and sees her people actually as her children , metaphorically , since obviously is not biologic.

I'm not a fan of the ''Princess Rosalina'' term , however , is more than likely that Nintendo would bring it out at some point , i mean they created Baby Rosalina ... so i wouldn't expect deep explanations ,they would just keep it simple and thrown something like '' Yes she is a princess''.

They don't even care about the bio they gave to Baby Rosalina ; And the Prima guides don't care either.
 
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I didn't say she wore it for the lulz, but it's an accessory. She wears it because it looks nice.

And the fact that Rosalina's mother so closely resembled Rosalina's adult appearance makes me more inclined to believe that Rosalina's mother is simply the "mama" the Luma Rosalina first met was looking for, and that the blue gown and crown is symbolic of the "Mother of the Cosmos" status. That makes a lot more sense than "she's a princess", since, as I already noted, everything else in Rosalina's life was fairly simple and modest - small cottage home, simple clothes, a tree for picnics and with a swing on it, a telescope for stargazing - nothing about the way she lived implied she was a princess.

Also, in Rosalina's case, the crown could simply be a gift she received from her family, so she treasures it.

That, in combination with the fact that anyone of significance to Rosalina in the real world (i.e. Yoshiaki Koizumi, for example), has always specifically avoided calling her a princess, makes it pretty clear to me she isn't.

There are just a lot more plausible explanations for the crown that actually have basis than mindlessly labeling her a princess.
 
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Nobody really wears a crown as an ''accesory'' though.

A crown is a symbol of Royalty , Relevance and Leadership , so it makes sence Rosalina (and her mother) had one.

I think its really common for characters that are suppoused to be Royalty to wear a crown or something to represent that.

Even Marth Wears a Tiara , i mean come on...

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And even so , this is not 2007 anymore,

Now that i think about it , Nintendo doesn't care about this ''Backstory'' anymore , Miyamoto didn't even wanted it so there's not point of going deeper as it's impossible to go that far with something that's pretty much dead at the moment.

Baby Rosalina was the final nail in the coffin that contained Rosalina's Backstory ; So since they don't care anymore , they would either avoid calling her specifically something (Like always) , or even finally adress her as a Queen or Princess (follow prima guides).
 
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Nobody really wears a crown as an ''accesory'' though.

A crown is a symbol of Royalty , Relevance and Leadership , so it makes sence Rosalina (and her mother) had one.

I think its really common for characters that are suppoused to be Royalty to wear a crown or something to represent that.

Even Marth Wears a Tiara , i mean come on...
Crowns actually have tons of meanings, not just for royalty. This can include representing ascension to divinity, and immortality. Both of these fit Rosalina much better than the princess explanation.

As a well known example, the Virgin Mary is often depicted wearing a crown in Christian paintings because of her assumption into heaven. She isn't royalty at all, but a crown can still be used to represent a certain aspect of her.
 

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What are you guys talking about?

Everyone knows that Rosalina is a Mutant Space Ninja Dragon Lesbian Wheelchair Robot Pirate Zombie Goddess, as well as Ridley's great great great great great great great uncle.
 
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