Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[FullMetalLynch]

Run me by the mac reasoning again?

 

[Xivii]

Is that hammer???

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**** I totally thought that was gonna be a concise post ugh

anyways, I'm not very gungho about the scary lynch but I'm down to get behind it primiarly cuz of Zen being obvious town.

oh welp if that's hammer then w/es my catchup has been going too slowly

lmk so I can blaze and say **** this game for the night

FF is a better lynch than scary imo

cool with the following in this order

Jerkus / FF > Kuz > Scary

vote: FrozenFlame

@Jerkus @ Xatres @ScaryLB59 @ Xivii @Ilovegiraffes @ #HBC | Mac @#HBC | Joey @Rajam

with our powers combined...

we can HBC the **** out of frozenflame

*cough* or jerkus *cough*

or kuz or anyone really

He tried to save Scary for nein reasons. Pretty much everything Jerkus said about his play (despite as much as I disagreed with it D1). General apathy. No town intent. Hasn't scum hunted at all. A lot of his posts come off as faked to me. Such as his attempt to give off a town tell when he discussed the night kills and used FML multiple times rather than glg iluv. If he was town, these scum lynches would be pumpin him up, but he's remained as apathetic throughout the game as he has from the start.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

oh wow this game took off since i left last night

hi kids, reading up

 

[Lore]

Vote: Xatres

I don't like the sound of that claim at all. Plus two vote manipulating roles with no drawbacks seems fishy as hell.

We have two investigators, but one has a large drawback (random sending). The other (me) is a tracker, a weaker cop. They're fairly balanced, especially in a larger game.

But two roles that are essentially opposites of each other and having no drawbacks? I don't see it, especially since FML is cleared in my book unless we somehow have 5 scum.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Thread is what rake means

People should talk to us about the possibility of zenslotscum

I don't understand your obsession with this please help m-...argh I'm not gonna quote salad this, I'll just try to make a summary post. No need for it now.

 

[Lore]

Ebwop: by having two roles like that being bs, I meant TOWN having two roles like that. I can super easily see Town and scum each having one of the two.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Vote: Xatres

I don't like the sound of that claim at all. Plus two vote manipulating roles with no drawbacks seems fishy as hell.

We have two investigators, but one has a large drawback (random sending). The other (me) is a tracker, a weaker cop. They're fairly balanced, especially in a larger game.

But two roles that are essentially opposites of each other and having no drawbacks? I don't see it, especially since FML is cleared in my book unless we somehow have 5 scum.

o boy massclaims happened

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Fine i will say night kills this game have been weird, if I was in charge of them do you see me killing off FML, Jerkus and Nabe?

Maybe FML to help my Jerkuscum theory, but then killing him the next night doesn't really make sense. Well actually it kinda does since he did say the whole if either rajam / vult flip scum it leads to Macscum and lol surprisingly both flipped scum, so I coulda killed him to get off my back.. Nabe I have no idea what he's done / pushed.

Lol so this didn't really help my case at all


It is odd though that zen, FF are still alive. Though I still don't really think they're mafia but I would expect them to be better targets than Nabe or Jerkus.

Maybe there is an Indy SK? If I were y'all I'd look back to see if the ppl that died suspected the same person...

Actually if I were y'all I'd probably just kill me since we have like a billion MLs and the game is almost definitely won

K there, dancer can't say I didn't try to stop my lynch ish

wow this is an awful post

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

nah like i said if there's a indy it's zen. 100% zen would hide his indy butt behind maf scummers to look good

wtf why does this even matter what are you trying to go for

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

plus me and orbo think 4th mafia. Kill suggests so anyways. the only other road is gheb who had thaqt whole thing with rajam and vult and me and orbo can def see gheb using the mega bus on his inactive and useless scum mates

?????



**** I STARTED DOING IT SORRY

 

[FullMetalLynch]

wtf why does this even matter what are you trying to go for

Trying to explain what we think you disagree at all or sk vehemently then please explain your side

 

[Lore]

Trying to explain what we think you disagree at all or sk vehemently then please explain your side

Thoughts on Xatres?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Trying to explain what we think you disagree at all or sk vehemently then please explain your side

No I'm just confused you why were saying Zen was scum and I think claiming he was mafia but then claim he was indy instead. I'm not sure why you're prioritizing an indy lynch at the moment anyway. It's not even confirmed one exists. The closest I can wager is the hater or hatemaker or what have you running around and that's simply because no one's claimed it.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

So... I'm actually loving that we've been referring to this role as the "Hatemaker" but it's also a "Lovemaker."

My role is parallel to FML's. I'm Town Vote Manipulator. I can make any player Loved or Hated the following day. At first I thought I could actually target myself, so I was hiding the Lovemaker side in case I survived to endgame in order to clear myself. Later Dancer let me know he'd forgotten to put that restriction in my role PM.

I've mostly been using the ability to shine light on players who I thought needed a little more attention. Ultimately if a player was going to get lynched early game, it was going to be with town consensus, which made the best use of my ability to bate some reactions. I targeted Nabe N3, which obviously resulted in no one being hated today.

vote: Xatres

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Rake has stuff to say. I'm about to pass out. Gnight thread

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

So a massclaim happened a bunch of other stuff. Lemme talk about Zen real fast:

His role is ****ing weak and it makes me distrust him for it. Despite this, by play I think he's very town as the one question mark I had about the slot cleared up when he confirmed what I expected in that his hop around at the end of D1 was basically just him starting to question his own lynch preferences. I think he's town despite his claim but I don't think he's 100% clear.

I have no problems with Werekill's claim. I was guessing (maybe hoping) that there was another investigative on top of mine because mine was so easy to **** up and seeing a tracker doesn't surprise me. His claim that he saw me take no action is also concerning. I'm not sure where it went wrong. Lemme ask Swords if people get notification if they get roleblocked.

I don't like Xatres' claim obviously. It's just so questionable.

Still down to lynch Mac.

 

[Lore]

I'm mostly down with getting Xatres gone, that claim was sketchy as ****.

Zen is also very questionable. He says he remembers something each night; why nothing N2? The rest of the info can easily be faked. I'm more down with getting Xatres before him, though.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

The mass claim may be very useful depending on what Xatres claims.

Well we've got all the claims now. Thoughts?

So... I'm actually loving that we've been referring to this role as the "Hatemaker" but it's also a "Lovemaker."

My role is parallel to FML's. I'm Town Vote Manipulator.

@ FullMetalLynch what is your official role title? This sounds a awful lot like it could be YOUR role's title.

This claim is sketch as **** but I also don't see why Xatres would claim this role if he was scum. Lot of negative attention instantly, makes him liable to us if we force him to choose someone, and obviously looks strange with FML's role in the game.

The claim in isolation looks bad but I think given the context that he made the claim in it actually makes him look slightly more townie. But yeah I need to have FML reconfirm role title first.

Now we have to lynch a PR


We are Nina Fortner, Town Amnesiac

We passively remember something each night.

N1

3-5 scum in game
Just cause something can be proven, it doesn't make someone an ally

N2

Nothing

N3

There is an evil that kills with poison
One shouldn't try and think like a god

Why do we have to kill a PR? Dude you seriously say some of the weirdest ****

and seriously WTF at the bolded

You remember something EACH night and then you just don't remember anything N2? But again I don't see why you would say that **** as scum because you'd be blatantly contradicting your own fakeclaim for no goddamn reason.

5 scum in the game would be ridiculous with 2 kills so its a pretty safe bet we're dealing with 4 IMO.

His claim that he saw me take no action is also concerning. I'm not sure where it went wrong. Lemme ask Swords if people get notification if they get roleblocked.

Report back on bolded asap. Though I would not be surprised if Dancer handled it the way I do when I host, in that if you don't actually get info returned to you from your role, you don't get confirmation of being blocked.

For example, roles like traditional tracker, watcher, cop, etc. all return you information. Thus, if you were roleblocked, you'd get the result Roleblocked.

Roles like doctor, vig, inducer, etc. that don't return any info to you, would not receive confirmation of whether or not you were roleblocked.

Since you don't actually get any info back from your role according to what you've told us, you'd fall into the latter category. Maybe we'll get lucky though and Dancer will give us an answer.

Goddamnit this **** is hard

 

[Xivii]

Now you see why the claim thing is silly. You're silly. Silly. Silly. Silly. Also it allows scum to manipulate Werekill.

Spoiler

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I want to lynch Mac because if anyone is an indy I feel like its gotta be him

I want to lynch Gheb because Ive had a weak read on him all game and I don't think he has as much distance from the flipped scum as most of the people I think are pretty townie this game

I want to lynch WL because no movement on N2 despite claiming power use sketches me the **** out

I want to lynch Xatres because I don't have him as a solid townread like FML and his power could be a serious ****ing liability in late game, or a devastating super alpha strike tool if he's scum.

Need people to answer all the **** I asked about in my last post though

 

[Lore]

FF, he kinda had to claim the hate role. Everyone else had pretty much claimed, and the other PR's were agreed to be fine claims. If he just claimed VT, that would immediately draw attention to himself and everyone else who claimed VT.

The way I see it, he took a risk and added the loved part to make the claim look more towny. Even if he didn't, I flat out don't see town having him and FML at the same time.

 

[Lore]

Now you see why the claim thing is silly. You're silly. Silly. Silly. Silly. Also it allows scum to manipulate Werekill.

Spoiler

Pffffft. Thanks for the chuckle.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Dude Zen I know you just ****ing love messing with me but I think you're straight up wrong. What else would we have been talking about today had we not done the claims? 8 ****ing days of "mehhhhhhh I couullllllddd be wrong about this person I guesssssss"

It seriously would've been everyone waffling trying to decide which townread they think they are most likely to be wrong on. I just legitimately don't think it would have been very productive or helpful discussion at all.

We don't need the tracker to win this. And I don't see what you mean by manipulate werekill. How the **** are you gonna manipulate someone if that person tracks your ass to the body? If anything I think the worst thing we've risked by doing this is getting werekill, our strongest PR, killed. And at this point in the game thats really not that devastating.

What am I even doing theres no point in arguing with you about this

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

FF, he kinda had to claim the hate role. Everyone else had pretty much claimed, and the other PR's were agreed to be fine claims. If he just claimed VT, that would immediately draw attention to himself and everyone else who claimed VT.

The way I see it, he took a risk and added the loved part to make the claim look more towny. Even if he didn't, I flat out don't see town having him and FML at the same time.

There's absolutely nothing stopping any of the claimed PRs faking a PR claim to cover for the fact that they have a targetting role like hatermaker as scum.

Obviously thats not what happened, but Im just saying that from his perspective, as the second last to go, recognizing that that is a plausible argument means that claiming VT isn't actually the worst move of all time as the hatermaker. Also, he could have easily decided to just claim VT and never use the power again.

I really dont see how scumXatres would need to claim the role at all. The only possible motive that the claims this far would give him to claim it as scum would be to give him a scapegoat if he gets tracked to a body by you. Then he can say "no I was just trying to make the loved/hated! I just happened to target the same person as the scum!"

Has he claimed VT he obviously cant make that argument

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

EBWOP

"no I was just trying to make them* loved/hated!"

and

Had* he claimed...

 

[Xivii]

All you managed to do was confuse yourself. If you look at who's scummy and ignore the mechanics. Mac is scum and that's all there is to it. You're making more out of this is then there needs to be.

I'll go through all the posts you've questioned. I've been intentionally avoiding going into elaboration in my replies to you because I know that you will instinctively try to out talk any point I make. But it seems that you're just going to continue on making confusion where there doesn't need to be unless I go into detail on why it's unnecessary.

 

[Lore]

FF, he was making a joke about the manipulating thing.

I can see Xatres trying to be clever with his claim like this. The idea of him covering up his tracker... Er... Tracks with the power makes sense if he's trying to be clever with it. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to try to be subtle.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

All you managed to do was confuse yourself. If you look at who's scummy and ignore the mechanics. Mac is scum and that's all there is to it. You're making more out of this is then there needs to be.

I'll go through all the posts you've questioned. I've been intentionally avoiding going into elaboration in my replies to you because I know that you will instinctively try to out talk any point I make. But it seems that you're just going to continue on making confusion where there doesn't need to be unless I go into detail on why it's unnecessary.

Dont waste you time. You're right about us getting into a walling match. Not worth it and its not gonna help town get anything done better.

Whats done is done. The claims are out. If we somehow manage to throw this game you can go ahead and say I told you so as much as you want. I really dont ****ing care.

I really have no interest in debating anything with you right now, much less so when Im waiting on people to confirm **** regarding their night actions/roles.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

He tried to save Scary for nein reasons. Pretty much everything Jerkus said about his play (despite as much as I disagreed with it D1). General apathy. No town intent. Hasn't scum hunted at all. A lot of his posts come off as faked to me. Such as his attempt to give off a town tell when he discussed the night kills and used FML multiple times rather than glg iluv. If he was town, these scum lynches would be pumpin him up, but he's remained as apathetic throughout the game as he has from the start.

totally meant iluv the entire time lol

 

[#HBC | Mac]

idk, i think i was scumhunting, I just got too tunneled on Jerkus. I def called out FF for things I felt were scummy d1. I've also done a lot of recognizing town, so it's not like i haven't been tryna find ppls alignments. I did kinda lost interest in the game after Jerkus flipped town cuz I was just ****in pretty much everything up readwise.

If I was town, these scum lynches that I barely had any part of would be pumping me up? You mean when I didn't care for doing a scary lynch or a rajam lynch and then I wasn't even around for the vult lynch. How would this hype me up? The game is to me, pretty hard for town to lose mostly cuz of your slot and FFs so idk I don't have any interest to put in work

anyways, I can understand why you find me scummy.

 

[Ashemu]

i think mac is town but i honestly think its better we get him out of the way so i dont have to worry about my hydra partner moving my slots vote to town if i try to do anything. id be very surprised if nukign joey/xat/mac/gorf didnt win us the game

 

[Ashemu]

if anything people who are playing the "whoops im town but ive given up lol" game needs to go. i would actually lynch joey before xat for policy reasons. scan doesnt really mean anything

 

[Ashemu]

i could MAYBE see a town scan being valuable with gorflaundry as the only investigative role. not with werekill in the game too though.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Well we've got all the claims now. Thoughts?

Not as fruitful as it could have been. Was hoping that nobody'd claim 'hatedmaker' cause then it would've been VERY save to assume that the role is scum. And since Zen was seen going nowhere during N1 but somebody was hated during D2 it would have cleared at least Zen/Ashy from being mafia. Didn't happen though so overall the massclaim was meh. I don't think we've learned a lot from it but at the same time I see no clear downside to it either.

I'll make a more insightful post later where I recap the massclaim from my pov, perhaps there's something I missing or maybe somebody else sees something sticking out.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Well we've got all the claims now. Thoughts?
@ FullMetalLynch what is your official role title? This sounds a awful lot like it could be YOUR role's title.

This claim is sketch as **** but I also don't see why Xatres would claim this role if he was scum. Lot of negative attention instantly, makes him liable to us if we force him to choose someone, and obviously looks strange with FML's role in the game.

The claim in isolation looks bad but I think given the context that he made the claim in it actually makes him look slightly more townie. But yeah I need to have FML reconfirm role title first.
Why do we have to kill a PR? Dude you seriously say some of the weirdest ****

and seriously WTF at the bolded

You remember something EACH night and then you just don't remember anything N2? But again I don't see why you would say that **** as scum because you'd be blatantly contradicting your own fakeclaim for no goddamn reason.

5 scum in the game would be ridiculous with 2 kills so its a pretty safe bet we're dealing with 4 IMO.

Report back on bolded asap. Though I would not be surprised if Dancer handled it the way I do when I host, in that if you don't actually get info returned to you from your role, you don't get confirmation of being blocked.

For example, roles like traditional tracker, watcher, cop, etc. all return you information. Thus, if you were roleblocked, you'd get the result Roleblocked.

Roles like doctor, vig, inducer, etc. that don't return any info to you, would not receive confirmation of whether or not you were roleblocked.

Since you don't actually get any info back from your role according to what you've told us, you'd fall into the latter category. Maybe we'll get lucky though and Dancer will give us an answer.

Goddamnit this **** is hard

Thats...
Because it is our role title. Skimmed right over that.
Vote xatres

 

[Xatres]

I need to get ready for work, but I would ask that town doesn't rush my lynch through while I am unable to post. Yes, FML and I have the same role title (assuming FML is town). Yes, I think it's more likely from a design standpoint for one of us to be scum and the other town.

HOWEVER! I'd much prefer it if people made lynches choices based on gameplay. It'd look kinda ridiculous to lynch two town PRs in a row simply because we tried to figure out the setup on our own. Keep in mind that there are also two killing roles and two information roles in the game, so having two vote manipulation roles wouldn't be unheard of. I definitely would have preferred our roles to have different titles (assuming we're both town), but that's something to take up with Dancer at the end of the game. I certainly wouldn't be stupid enough to fake claim using the same title FML offered.

 

[Lore]

What do you mean two killing roles, Xatres?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

yeh no im not buying two parallel roles with the same name when one of them could potentially hater maker somone in lylo and win the game. Fuq dat. Also you wouldn't intentionally claim that but you might've accidentally done it

 

[FullMetalLynch]

also also our roles are two sides of the same coin and idk how we both need to be round especially considering it could potentially stall lylo (love maker one person and vb the other)

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Also alos, the way your handling this is entirely opposite of how you should be which is prolly indicative of scum, see, even in your last paragraph you talk about not lynching based on claim but on play , but then you keep throwing out if's or butts on our slot which is just a dirty way to do it without fighting us outright over it which you should be. You should be outright scum reading us because we have the "same " rolename as you, and no mod, alike roles or not, does that, and if swords did then boo on him because that's bad modding imo. (really bad modding actually ) and a **** move to both town roles especially if the game isn't running smooth because they'd have to lynch both just to find out if it was legit , and because both our roles (even though i'm town) are dangerous late game , if i suddenly gave a dv to scum - boom , alpha and win.

I remember another slot (or maybe it was something I did as scum , i can't remember entirely atm) ,but they claimed some sort of parallel or work alongside role and tried to be all friendly about it and koom-bya about it because they knew stepping in the ring would mean death