Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm indifferent on massclaiming now that Werekill did it. With the Voteblocker, Tracker and Amnesiac Cop outed as well as the Doc dead I really don't expect anything other than VT claims from now on. But I feel like we can draw a number of conclusions now that we have he claims:

* While Laundry is not confirmed town, it's save to assume that Joey is town based on Laundry's claim regardless of Laundry's alignment. The only even remotely realistic scenario in which Joey could be scum is if him and Laundry were indy siblings. Based on flavor reports by people, that seems to be extremely unlikely and pointless to assume. Will treat Joey as cleared unless somebody can tell me how / why I'm wrong.

* Laundry isn't clear but likely town. He's like one of the last slots I'd consider lynching in the entire roster.

* While Werekill is not confirmed town [be wary of scum trackers, guys!], it's save to assume that his tracking results are legit. That means Zen isn't the hatermaker, which doesn't clear him of being mafia nor indy but means that there's no need for him to claim. I don't see his tracking result as contradictory to Washed's claim and I don't think it'd make sense for Laundry to have lied about it for various reasons.

* Pretty sure FML is town because everything he laied lined up so far and there's no CC. I don't think his role makes sense as mafia or indy.


@ FullMetalLynch

I think it'd be a good idea if you used your ability to make somebody a doublevoter in the next Night phase. Joey and Laundry are both slots that have only a minimal chance to be scum. If you target Joey then the remaining scum can only prevent it if they kill you or him. In either case he'd leave both investigators around, which I don't think he could afford to do.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And of course I realize that Joey could be godfather just as a make this post

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And now that I think about it, I actually completely support the idea of massclaiming. I'm Dr. Becker, Vanilla.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

We will think about our na as night comes around. For now I have to go do a change of command ceremony rehearsal and get to school.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Collecting all relevant NA info in one post for convenience:

2. Gorf/WL - Amnesiac Cop
4. FrozenFlame - VT
5. Macman - VT
10. Gheb_01 - VT
11. Xatres - ???
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown) - Voteblock/Doublevote giver
13. Joey - ???
14. Werekill - Tracker
15. Zen/Ashemu - ???

Again, If I missed you, speak up.

@ Xatres @ Dooms @ Xivii @Ashemu

Y'all need to get in here and claim NOW. With this many PR's claimed, especially considering Werekills, y'all need to ****in claim so we can figure out a night strategy.

IF YOU ARE A TOWN HATED MAKER AND YOU DO NOT CLAIM IT YOU ARE SO ****ING BAD, YOU ARE THROWING THE GAME FOR US, AND I WILL GIVE YOU SO MUCH **** AFTER THE GAME. YOU WILL WANT THE BERATING TO END BUT IT WILL NOT AND YOU WILL NEVER FORGET HOW BADLY YOU ****ED UP.

Known actions:

I'm Heinrich Lunge, Town Tracker. Which is why I got so weirded out by Zen's tracker claim gambit thing.

N1 I tracked Zen and got a no visit. He was a null, and I was curious. I feel that scum has a pr left with all the hater shenanigans, so this makes me more solid on him.

N2 I tracked Gorf and got a no visit, which is why I specifically asked Laundry about what he gets after an investigation. I assume that if it failed due to roleblock, he would never know if it did. Still a bit fishy, but eh. Discussion is maybe needed.

N3 I tracked FML and got a no visit. I wanted to see if his voteblock was a reactive ability instead of a targeted one. His claim gave an excuse to why no voteblock happened, and the double vote power idea gave a reason to not lynch him by making him seem potentially town. So far I don't think I'm vote blocked, so we're good on that front.

That was me. I'm Jan Suk, Amnesiac Cop. I can target players to investigate them but I have no idea who gets my results. Turns out it was you.

Gorf targeted Rajam, I targeted Jerkus the night he was killed.

WL/Gorf Summary:
N1 - Rajam, no one confirmed receiving this
N2 - Jerkus, no one confirmed receiving this
N3 - Joey, FML confirms receiving this

We also have one hatermaker showing, which was Joey being hate on D3. This is still unaccounted for.

Right now the track on Gorf N2 with no result looks sketch as ****. Only way this is explained is that Gorf was roleblocked that night, which is possible since the roleblocker wasn't lynched until D3. Definitely super ****ing sketchy though.

I'll be back later with some more thoughts once I can digest all this info. We should also temper speculation until everyone claims, so that no one can adjust a fakeclaim based on what preliminary conclusions we might be considering.

But yeah, everyone needs to ****ing claim at this point. No ****ing around, lets go.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I forgot that Dancer didn't include the hated result on FML in the opening post for D2.

So yeah, include FML being hated on D2. This is also unaccounted for.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Oh and FML is confirmed to have voteblocked me on D2.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

having trouble seeing scum rb blocking gorf slot n2

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Also werekill, do you mean visit as in he didnt visit anyone or visit like no one visited him ?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also werekill, do you mean visit as in he didnt visit anyone or visit like no one visited him ?

Do you know what a Tracker is?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

i do. im just making sure he's using the right wording

 

[Lore]

Also werekill, do you mean visit as in he didnt visit anyone or visit like no one visited him ?

He didn't visit anyone. I don't see if anyone visits him, just who he visits.

 

[Dooms]

I'm a VT as I already stated. Karl Neuman.

 

[Xivii]

We really should just lynch macman lol.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ Xatres

Claim brah.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

We shouldn't do anything until everyone has claimed.

I'm assuming I just missed ashemu/zen claiming VT, and now that Joey has claimed VT we're just waiting on Xatres.

 

[Lore]

I'm a VT as I already stated. Karl Neuman.

Ah, ok. That makes my idea fall apart a bit, but no biggie. This was the whole point of me bringing it up in the first place; now I can feel much more solid on Frozen.

 

[Xivii]

Frozen, laundry no visiting could just be the mod doing a bounce back form of NAR.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Frozen, laundry no visiting could just be the mod doing a bounce back form of NAR.

no idea what you mean by this. explain plz

 

[Xivii]

Jerkus was night killed so laundry's action bounced back, thus not seen going anywhere.

 

[Xivii]

Yeah the claim thing was/is defs silly and anti town. Role speculation is always circular. And Were's role would still be useful concealed. We aren't organizing the night across btw Frozen. So anti town.


If we lynch Mac though none if this will probably even matter.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The mass claim may be very useful depending on what Xatres claims.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Jerkus was night killed so laundry's action bounced back, thus not seen going anywhere.

This is a ****ing ******** mechanic. Who does this?

It's in direct violation of the "all bullets fire simulatenously at the end rule:

Killing

Killing doesn't stop the actions of the dead player. (Imagine that all kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.) This means that kills generally do not affect other actions for the purpose of the Golden Rule. One exception is with combinations like Kill versus Recruit; in this case, the kill prevents the recruitment, but the recruitment does not prevent the kill, so by the Golden Rule the kill happen first and the player flips with (and wins with) their old alignment.

That mechanic causes kills to retroactively affect what a player did using an ability that would have already been resolved prior to the kill. Like... that explicitly breaks the Golden Rule.

Yeah the claim thing was/is defs silly and anti town. Role speculation is always circular. And Were's role would still be useful concealed. We aren't organizing the night across btw Frozen. So anti town.

lol your mindless hate of the mass claim is entertaining. you just keep ******** about it but don't tell us how we've been set back by this massclaim. At the very least we uncovered an inconsistency in claimed night actions. That's a pretty big plus in my book.

"role speculation is always circular" is a non-statement parading as a point lol. Like what are you even saying?

And I never said we had to set everyone's night actions. That very much depends on what Xatres claims.

 

[Xivii]

I don't get why you're being anti town. Should lynch you just on policy haha.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

"If I k-k-keep saying that he's anti-town, that means its t-t-true, right guys?!" ~ Zen (7/10/2014)

 

[Lore]

I didn't feel too heavy on a mass claim either, but I felt that if I pushed harder against it while me and Zen were the only ones against it, that would be basically screaming "I'm a pr who wants to wait!"

But hey, at least my info is out there now and my reactive hater idea was confirmed to be false.

 

[Xivii]

"If I k-k-keep saying that he's anti-town, that means its t-t-true, right guys?!" ~ Zen (7/10/2014)

It's more so that I know that trading walls with you is also anti-town hehe.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Macman



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[Xivii]

 

[Xivii]

 

[Xivii]

If Zen is scum he gets the award for GOAT busser like straight up. Thatd be ridiculous. Like, mindblowing.

@#HBC | marshy @#HBC | Ranmaru @#HBC | Mac

 

[Xatres]

So... I'm actually loving that we've been referring to this role as the "Hatemaker" but it's also a "Lovemaker."

My role is parallel to FML's. I'm Town Vote Manipulator. I can make any player Loved or Hated the following day. At first I thought I could actually target myself, so I was hiding the Lovemaker side in case I survived to endgame in order to clear myself. Later Dancer let me know he'd forgotten to put that restriction in my role PM.

I've mostly been using the ability to shine light on players who I thought needed a little more attention. Ultimately if a player was going to get lynched early game, it was going to be with town consensus, which made the best use of my ability to bate some reactions. I targeted Nabe N3, which obviously resulted in no one being hated today.

 

[Xatres]

Also everyone should know that Smashboards is apparently blocked at my new job, so I won't really be posting during the day on weekdays.

 

[Xivii]

Now we have to lynch a PR


We are Nina Fortner, Town Amnesiac

We passively remember something each night.

N1

3-5 scum in game
Just cause something can be proven, it doesn't make someone an ally

N2

Nothing

N3

There is an evil that kills with poison
One shouldn't try and think like a god

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Why us and joey specifically?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

So your role should not be able to be rbd right zen?

 

[Xatres]

I thought the tension between you and Gheb was being largely ignored by town D1. I felt like targeting you would get people thinking Gheb had the ability (which it did) and that would discuss your interactions more closely because of it.

Targeting Joey had more to do with the fact that I was out of the loop and had to pick SOMEBODY. D2 I was in the middle of job interview shenanigans. My reasoning that day had more to do with him entering the game white nighting my top scumpick. Plus I honestly thought Wanted's first post somewhat blah. *gut feels*

I definitely wanted to avoid targeting Jerkus entirely. Not only to hide my role, but also because if I was going to be right, I needed to actually convince people rather than trying to cheat my way their with one less vote. I want to work WITH town on a lynch, not play selfishly.

 

[Xivii]

I wouldn't think so. Sword said he couldn't answer when we asked for clarification.

 

[Xatres]

My flavor is: Fritz Verdemann, some kind of lawyer guy

 

[Xivii]

I'm pretty sure the last memory is why we shouldn't guess about the mechanics though and the form of NAR that is used. I still want to lynch Macman.