Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[#HBC | Mac]

Help tread?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Thread is what rake means

People should talk to us about the possibility of zenslotscum

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Fine i will say night kills this game have been weird, if I was in charge of them do you see me killing off FML, Jerkus and Nabe?

Maybe FML to help my Jerkuscum theory, but then killing him the next night doesn't really make sense. Well actually it kinda does since he did say the whole if either rajam / vult flip scum it leads to Macscum and lol surprisingly both flipped scum, so I coulda killed him to get off my back.. Nabe I have no idea what he's done / pushed.

Lol so this didn't really help my case at all


It is odd though that zen, FF are still alive. Though I still don't really think they're mafia but I would expect them to be better targets than Nabe or Jerkus.

Maybe there is an Indy SK? If I were y'all I'd look back to see if the ppl that died suspected the same person...

Actually if I were y'all I'd probably just kill me since we have like a billion MLs and the game is almost definitely won

K there, dancer can't say I didn't try to stop my lynch ish

 

[FullMetalLynch]

*thread.

Also would sooner lynch xatres / zen. No other legit direction and the games probably over after those two are gone

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Also I think FML WL and Joey are all town. FML for outing it. Plus it would require way too many ppl to fake such a night action. There's def not another 3 person faction

Maybe WL is a messenger and not an amnesiac cop, but what incentive does scumWL have to clear joey. Joey could also be godfather (if that hasn't flipped yet) but meh

 

[FullMetalLynch]

nah like i said if there's a indy it's zen. 100% zen would hide his indy butt behind maf scummers to look good

 

[FullMetalLynch]

plus me and orbo think 4th mafia. Kill suggests so anyways. the only other road is gheb who had thaqt whole thing with rajam and vult and me and orbo can def see gheb using the mega bus on his inactive and useless scum mates

 

[FullMetalLynch]

imo thinking about it right now i'd take Gheb <> Zen and if FF is still alive after those two, FF, then Xatres.
Game would be done by then as all other slots are obv town to me and i wouldnt lynch em

 

[Xivii]

My point about zen hiding his scummyness behind scary still stands and his d1 of trying to throw the wagon from scary onto ff only to have scary (scum) and iirc kuzi's slot (scum ) at the time is hella janky. plus he after seeing scary go down he'd be less inclined to save the inactive portion of his team. Also notice no one got hater makered toDay

I don't bus scummates. It's the worst strategy to me. I've mentioned this many times. But I digress.

I don't get why ya still paranoid of me setting Scary up as a scapegoat. Not only did he flip mafia, he flipped the most important role. I'm not sure what you mean by how I could hide behind him. I very clearly gave my thoughts all through out the day in elaborate detail. It was clear that at the end of the Day I really wanted to avoid a no lynch. I was willing to vote Frozen if the rest of the town was down. I did the same with both Kuz and Scary. I think my posts at the end of the day show a town stream of thought:

L-2 please claim Scary so that we can swing lynch if we need to.

Lynch or Do Not Lynch, there is no claim. -Yoda

Scary was my strongest scum read for most of the day. As his scum mate there was no reason at all for me to push him into a lynchable option.

Won't be home until after 5 thanks to work. Not ready to die yet!

U guys think we can pull off a kooz lynch?

Vote: kuz

Deadline is in like 13 hours.

Why are you trying to default to a lynch we get absolutely nothing from and a slot that will probably be replaced tomorrow? It's not going to happen.

I really dislike that form of thinking. I feel like town victories would increase by a large percent if we lynched inactives.

Also who is going to replace? I need a replacement/hydra myself and ashemu said he's too busy to join the game.

But yeah it's probably not possible given the dont-lyncg-inactives culture of dgames, the up coming deadline, and all the v/las.

I just feel like scum scary would have claimed just then.

I'll put jerkus at l-1 unless you think my reasoning is wrong.

Him not claiming made me reconsider my push on him. I also felt like no one else was really feeling him which is usually an indicator that you're probably wrong. But the fact that I switched to Kuz, who also flipped scum, shows that I was ignorant town, not scum trying to get a town lynch. As scum, lynching Jerkus would have been easily achievable and much earlier in the day.

To be fair, I think if Zen had been behind your lynch, it probably would have ended up going through.

I think you're right.

The thing that got me back onto Scary was gorf's post. It gave me confidence to continue:

i'm down to lynch kuz. for as much as id rather Vult to replace em, I think I'd prefer Vult to be saved for an ACTUAL replacement and just **** kuz outta here. i still think scary is scum though and i hate that a zen hunch is making you reconsider your read on him, so consider me having moral support until you gather the votes necessary.

Wind, guide me.

Vote: Scary

Let's end this

Unvote because I don't feel comfortable with a hurried lynch right now.

Zen, why the flip flop between Kuz and now back to Scary? I don't see any point from your trying Kuz a page ago when there's no one else really for him and you just showed that you're still fine with ending Scary right now. Why didn't you just stick with Scary?

@ Xivii - Your vote was already on Scary, but you should definitely unvote and make sure no quicklynch happens. Scary will be back around 5pm. There's plenty of time left in the day.

I'd also like to know WHY you think I'm town and what you think of the current state of the case against Jerkus.

@Werekill first para. And gorfs post.

Mfw rushed lynch with 10 hours to deadline.

For the record I'm on mobile and at work. Waiting for scary is a bad idea. Disagree with your case on jerkus. Town because your reasoning for not voting scary.

@Xatres all I've ever wanted from the jerkus slot was to read them. Now I have and I don't think they're scum. Scary is a better lynch to me over the two.

@Rajam we don't have much time until the deadline. Your 4 strongest town reads are voting scary. Along with your strongest scum read. The other wagon is jerkus.

@Werekill
@Red Ryu

Request hammering it up.

zen, you are really anxious to put this lynch through man.

Like...really overzealous and everything lol.

I really don't see how you could see scum in these posts. Again I feel it was very clear that I was townie trying to rush to get the lynch through before deadline.


After this, Scary again makes me faulter on my read, and Joey's support for Kuz invokes me to go along with it:

I'm having less and less options.

Unvote
Vote: Jerkus

I don't like this and I don't see an iluv wagon happening in the next 4 hours. I'm either left with voting for Jerkus since they are the only other wagon with a chance of coming through or hoping peeps could jump on kuz as a compromise since he's the final inactive without replacement. No hard feelings Jerkus, it's just you and me unless something happens

I don't like either of these lynches. I wouldn't mind swinging to Kuz considering both of these lynches. I just don't see scum in Scary :/.

Can we try?

Vote: Kuz

Uhg let's see joey, me, jerkus, fml, scary, were, gorf, ruy/someone

we can do it.

Vote: Kuz

Dudes let's do it. At this point (Scary's last post) I'd rather just risk the no lynch.

Scary's last line to Jerkus really made me feel towny on him. I think it was a great post on his part. It even made Joey who was opposed to the Kuz lynch, switch to Kuz. Again this to me shows ignorant town, otherwise I could have simply gone to Circus as Xat, Mac, and iluv all pleaded for. This switch was just me being uncertain, but once again Gorf made me feel better about it.

Why tho zen

-Jerkus town
-Scary town

Why lynch town. Lynch unknown. The info argument doesn't make any sense to me. When Scary flips town there is still that "deadline" excuse. If Kuz flip mafia, everyone that was on that wagon looks goof for pushing it at deadline. If he flips town we get as much as if we lynched Scary.

...except scary isn't town?

Vote: Scary

It's a no go. However, all the active slots are voting Scary already. So we'll be lucky if one of the Jerkus wagoners/Frozen/Rajam come through.

Macman switch vote real quick to Scary yo.

End of D1 scumograph.

Scary
Kuz
Gheb
Frozen
Rajam
Macman
Nabe
iLuv
Joey
Gorf
Jerkus
Xatres
FML
Werekill
Zen

I even attempted to get Scary to reveal his scummates:

Scary please pick town or mafia for each player. If you had to decide on a read.

Sorry that this post is so long with all these quotes, but there's just a lot that goes against your theory. You you think that I was trying to switch votes to a town lynch (Frozen), but as I said there were many opportunities scum zen could have gotten a Jerkus lynch. And there were many times I refused:

You prefer a No Lynch over Scary?

You prefer a No Lynch over Jerkus?

@Xatres: Yes

I'm here, still not voting Scary. Still very much prefer a Jerkus lynch.



More importantly, there's definitely scum on Scary's wagon if he flips town. With this many players it would be almost impossible for 1 or 2 scum not to be on a mislynch wagon.

Jerkus aint scum. Most of the people on the wagons are town.

More of me not being scum with the scum team:

@Rajam just a couple hours from deadline. Please vote Scary.

Resume of points against him?

Vote: Rajam

Ok now onto the frozen part. I did not switch from Scary during this. A still pushed Scary while simultaneously giving the option of Frozen who was a lurker during the time. This was good for reads and making sure that the Scary's lynch wasn't of my choice only. I made sure that Scary's lynch was not dismantled from this by making sure people simply voiced there support over actually voting for Frozen. Again I was still pushing Scary throughout all of this:

FF is a better lynch than scary imo

Vote: Frozen

vote: FrozenFlame

#1045 seems fake to me. [Scary Post]

@@[USER=28116]Macman @#HBC | Joey @RajamJerkus[/USER] @Xatres @ScaryLB59 @ Xivii @Ilovegiraffes

with our powers combined...

we can HBC the **** out of frozenflame

More Frozen votes please.

needs more #HBC imo

#1045 doesn't seem fake to me at all. I actually thought it was hammer too until I went back to re-tabulated the votes.

I really don't think this guy isn't keeping track. [Scary]

 

[Xivii]

Alright so the only reason I went through all that FML was to put my slot at for you so that you'll vote Macman. If Mac isn't scum, then the only other possibility I see really is Gheb. (Unless something happened that people have been clearing him for while I was gone)? But yeah I think it's macman. The town tell in #1762 is probably faked imo.

 

[Xivii]

put my slot at ease* for you.

 

[Xivii]

Indy is very unlikely seeing that Johan flipped mafia. With that, it's almost certain that it's a four-man mafia team. Based on the episode I just watched, the last scum is either Peter Capek, Cristof Sievernich, the old guy that took in Deiter, or the other of the four old guys that founded the coalition thing.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

zen are you town

 

[Xivii]

zen are you town

Yes.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Also i'd rather lynch gheb, can we lynch him and if he's not mafia i promise to seriously re-read and reconsider mac.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

i mean you already said you could see gheb soz

 

[Xivii]

I just desire a flawless victory.

 

[Ashemu]

Unvote
VCA still has mac as hard town you guys are dumb and also probably overthinking this

if you want to push my slot as indie whatever but pretty sure starting a wagon on the scum roleblocker after 2 scum were lynched back to back isnt mafia behavior. this is a good reason mac is town too, scum mac is not going to try to push the roleblocker into the limelight as the counterwagon to rajam when the jerkus counterwagon was already doing just fine

is there a reason joey cant just be a godfather? thats the logical choice for a fourth scum role pretty much. its kinda ridiculous how his motivation dropped off following scum lynches. also notable that vult had a strong case on him but pursued weaker options instead

 

[FullMetalLynch]

but macman pulling a double bus and wasting all that time during on jerkus ? what does mac gain out of that except the ability to be "ignorant " to his scum teams plight ?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

except godfather doesnt explain the hater maker thing we've seen ?

 

[Ashemu]

ill vote gheb if it means not lynching mac i guess. joey needs to go though

also think xat is still viable as scum

 

[FullMetalLynch]

so unless you think there is an indy he couldn't of made himself hated and i dont see a town hater maker with me and orbo around, thats just too op

 

[Ashemu]

except godfather doesnt explain the hater maker thing we've seen ?

having a passive and active in the same role isn't really unusual. but i guess that's fair.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Also it's just as likely vult made a flimsy case on town joey and didnt pursue it because he knew it couldn't go anywhere

 

[FullMetalLynch]

plus, vult didn't DO much of anything, the fact he took time to try and scum read joey is almost a town tell to me because a lot of his case was pretty forced iirc

 

[Ashemu]

can we lynch: Xatres

 

[FullMetalLynch]

if Joey was vult's mate, i feel like vult would've been trying harder because his scum pov would make it easier to scum read his mate and bus him, i'll have to re-read his joey post again, but if it is as weak as i remember, i wont lynch joey because a scum on scum bus case would be hella tight imo

 

[FullMetalLynch]

im not too sure oin xatres, his whole **** slap with jerkus made me feel like he was hard headed town slobbering against another townie

 

[FullMetalLynch]

at the same time i remember him not exactly being on board with scary and beyond that he's been a non presence in the game which i feel like townXatres would at least have done something more memorable or impactful. The idea that the entire scum team would be plagued by inactivity causes me to laugh though

 

[Ashemu]

man idk.

might just lynch mac since we have wiggle room, that way people actually have to stop giving passes for ****ty reasons tomorrow. or i could be wrong and we win in which case gr8

 

[FullMetalLynch]

if anything xtres has been getting more of a pass than mac

 

[FullMetalLynch]

seriously i barely remember the slot so unless you have a solid reason why mac is scummy over xtares in which case im all ears

 

[Ashemu]

Maybe WL is a messenger and not an amnesiac cop, but what incentive does scumWL have to clear joey. Joey could also be godfather (if that hasn't flipped yet) but meh

if WL doesn't have a real investigate we'll probably be seeing a really investigator flip or claim sooner or later

 

[Ashemu]

i think xatres is the best bet for scum if we take the joey result at face value, zen wants to lynch mac though.

 

[Ashemu]

im not too sure oin xatres, his whole **** slap with jerkus made me feel like he was hard headed town slobbering against another townie

i could see this if he had ever evolved beyond tunneling on jerkus. i cant really remember anything he did which makes it likely he was just using the dismissal of "town v town slapfight!!" to get away with doing jack. it also conveniently places him on the counterwagons to scum

 

[Ashemu]

i dunno as long as you guys dont do something mindbogglingly stupid like lynching ff i guess idont really care

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I'm also not going to get behind a Scary lynch. It reeks of a last minute, "welp, we gotta lynch somebody" style lynch. I don't hop on those wagons. Yes, he's been in lynch conversation for a few players, but pushing him right at the end of the Day just feels opportunistic at this point.

-1

 

[Ashemu]

man

Vote: Xatres

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I can buy xatres being scum. If anything I feel like he's the slot we are most likely to be wrong about. Mac I guess is the next best bet but I seriously have a hard time buying that card right now.
Gheb should go first imo though.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

But you know what, I'll go ahead and tell you why you're wrong, Jerkus.

You say that not answering my arguments would be a colossal waste of time. That's dead wrong. If you are town and are refusing to answer someone who thinks you're scum, then YOU are the one wasting everyone's time.

If I'm wrong, then someone needs to explain it to me. Not say, "lol, Xatres is wrong" or "you are ****ing joke." They need to actually sit down and explain it to me like I'm a human being. Set aside your salt and your pride and your blustering and just point out where I'm incorrect. It's all I've been asking for this entire thread.

Failing to answer my criticisms means that my thinking will never be corrected. I'll never move my attention off of your because now not only do I think you're scum, but I also see you dodging my questions. How ELSE am I supposed to react in this situation?

You cry and whine and bluster and curse at me. You tell me my arguments are weightless and that I am a waste of space. But you can't explain why. If you are scum, then the reason for that is obvious. If you are town, then you are the idiotic one. You are allowing my slot to be wasted. My vote stays on you, my suspicion stays on you, and my attention stays on you. You are hurting town's ability to scumhunt to what? Satisfy your pride? Save yourself a bit of work? If you are town, what exactly do you have to gain by never actually answering what I have to say?

You say you want to talk to me about my scumhunting when the day is over? Well, I want to talk to you about how to treat other players with some respect and how to handle criticism like an adult.

But that's assuming you are townie. Frankly, I don't think a townie could possibly be that selfish and idiotic. So yeah, I still think you're scum.

hardheaded town though ?