Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[#HBC | Laundry]

That ONLY thing I haven't explained that people (you, specifically) have been asking me about, is my you/giraffes hunch. I have not elaborated on it because it is irrelevant to my individual reads on your slots and does not help us achieve a sensible lynch toDay. That is completely sound reasoning. It is not worth our time to get into it until we have a flip to go off of; it would just contribute to thread-clog..

Then why the ever loving **** did you say it? Why did you bring it up only to drop it? If it doesn't matter then you have no reason to talk about it, and yet you dropped it at the end of your post saying "WE THINK THEY'RE SCUM TOGETHER GUYS, SHOCKER, RIGHT?"

It's idiotic and your backpedaling here is hurting your case and yourself. You can just come out and say you're wrong, Ran and Ruy make a living on it.

 

[#HBC | J]

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I'M GONNA PISTOLWHIP THE NEXT PERSON THAT IMMEDIATELY JUMPS TO THIS CONCLUSION INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE ****ER'S JUST WRONG FIRST

Well from my PoV I know he's wrong you Derp. Therefore, I felt his reasoning faked. Now I just assume it's bad because it seems to be a trend in play.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Well from my PoV I know he's wrong you Derp. Therefore, I felt his reasoning faked. Now I just assume it's bad because it seems to be a trend in play.

Okay, so you know he's wrong, but why do you think he's immediately faking it instead of just ****ing assuming he's misinformed? From how many games I've seen Xatres play, especially with Ran, his meta of Ran in particular is not inaccurate--Ran does have a tendency to tunnel, but only on the condition of when he finds scum. He is aware enough to realize when he's overreaching, but it usually only occurs after he's done it. Ran jumped through like 4 different wagons in a matter of 4 pages because this is one of those situations where Ran actually couldn't latch onto something. Thing is, that doesn't happen often and so it baffles my mind why, despite knowing he's wrong, immediately assuming faking it instead of questioning the possibility of him seeing Ran be rambo at times when he can't find anyone to tunnel on?

This is why I don't like your slot, by the way. You yourself are overreaching and sticking on **** that you shouldn't be sticking on. There's no reason for your Macman case to last as long as it did, there's no reason for you to immediately assume Xatres is scum for simply being wrong on **** like this, and I really don't like the Giraffes push either. There wasn't a lot early game but there was better **** than that and instead of allowing your own reads to develop, you just let it all stagnate. That's awfully scummy.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

oh i see zen wants to go in on jerkus as well solid reasons too

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

gog zen's scumreads match mine at that moment in time, 'cept the scary one but i have yet to accurately read that li'l ******

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@giraffes

I have no issues with Jerkus at the moment. Might be a whack explanation but to me Jerkus plays exactly what I'd expect a hydra consisting of Circus and J to play. As far as content is concerned their main focus has been on Macman, which is OK and mentioning that Scary can die, which is very much OK with me as well. Not seeing anything out of the ordinary. Null-town.

no this is horse**** gheb never likes j's play

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

gheb's scumpool is gross

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

i also like gheb more and think he should post more townie things.



unvote vote fml

i also really like that you have bard/scary as your next two in line.

WHY ARE YOU SO CONTRARY TO ME WHAT THE ****

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'll use the Bardull stuff for comparison:

The Bardull stuff at the beginning of the Day had an air of... pettiness to it, which you often see in TvT scenarios. It's not so much that this interaction is evidence of individual players all being town, but the interaction doesn't really offer any Net Benefit on its own. It's not a telling conversation, at least not without a scum flip on one of the interactees. Anything said in the converation can be brushed off by RVS shenanigans and saltiness.

The Giraffe v Macman v Jerkus interaction meanwhile, had an air of manipulation about it. I already stated on the Giraffe side of things, I felt like the players were acting not only against their own meta, but towards a general scumtell of acquiescence. When they were accused of changing reads and/or being noncommital, they immediately fired back with a "well, I'm 110% sure on this guy now." That's the kind of play I've never seen from a town Ran or town Ryu. They were actively managing their image among the town, rather than sticking to their guns and playing the game their own way. Townies shouldn't have an image to manage because they have very little to hide.

As far as Macman and Jerkus go... For Macman, the drunken/hungover posts were obviously of a much different style than his later posts have been. I couldn't be sure if that was a front or not, having never played with Macman before. Either way, his variable (some have used the word waffling) playstyle was troubling. Meanwhile we've seen Jerkus pushing hard on his reads, including now a pretty flimsy wagon against myself, and we've seen him first refuse to differentiate between heads, then continually switch between heads throughout the game. He can say "everyone's demanding it" all game, but the fact is we're asking because they're mentioning it, not the other way around

Sidebar: This is why Dastrn and I color code our posts every time we hydra. Hydra shenanigans are mad frustrating when left unchecked.

Ultimately, I saw three different players all pushing and pulling against each other, and all giving off scumtells or potential scumtells. For me, the interaction read as a pretty strong TvS, possibly even TvSvI, but that might be a bit of a stretch.

"I'm Xatres and I read way too hard into everything"

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

This game is all about meta>actual scum-tells and it annoys me.

Especially because if it is all about meta people should seriously know at this point that J is town and not scum.

YOU'RE HALF THE ****ING PROBLEM WITH THIS

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

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test

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: It's beautiful. Expect a lot more use as I keep reading.

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[#HBC | Laundry]

more ****ing walls. more ****ing j/joey connections. a stupid attempt to push onto zen who's the only slot that's objectively trying to push the ****ing game along every time he posts (ran/ruy has reached this point but i've been skimming everything they're ****ing saying). ****ing hell

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[#HBC | Laundry]

ebwop: white-knighting, not connections

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

things i have concluded about xatres:
1) he is dumb/misinformed/out of the loop on quite a lot but makes assumptions on it
2) he reads too hard into the stupidest of **** and gets way too analytical without actually looking at motive (i.e. he goes really in-depth on surface ****)

until further notice, i am skimming his posts and seeing what moves he makes

 

[#HBC | J]

I've never played with Xatres so I have no experience. This is why meta is not fair to those who are not privy. But regardless I'll be getting to you, myself, when I have a computer whose browser doesn't freak out due to viruses, phone posting is not fun.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

too many ****ing walls gotta get to work bustin' em down

 

[#HBC | Mac]

the pokemanz have gotten quite hectic (aka ******** lookin) these past few gens

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

i maintain that gen 4 was incredibly overdesigned (i dunno why game freak found a random spike fetish in that gen but they did) but that 5 and 6 are okay with a few exceptions

 

[Jerkus]

Gen 6 is definitely solid although the starters are easily the worst

Also, Washed, please just catch up and stop commenting on out of date ****. If you finish the thread and decide something's still relevant, comment on it then. Watching you bloat the thread with everything that floats through your brain as you read is painful.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

idk, i found this washedlaundry interlude to be quite entertaining

 

[Jerkus]

I may just have a low tolerance for Washed's "Washedness" in-game. In the social, he's dynamite. In a game, especially talking about things I don't think really matter anymore, I find this kind of voracity exhausting.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm just skimming to the end of today because I have my reads basically solidified from what I've seen and a lot of what I'm reading is pandering about meta and people frantically jumping to a wagon because they aren't sure and deadline is looming. Easy out's being taken but whatever, Scary's a null to me and a lot of people are finding him scummy so I don't hate the lynch.

I hate Gheb's conclusions and his scumpool is just awful. FML is not really scummy to me, and to call Zen scum at this point is stupid. Nabe is certainly doing Nabe-y things but his pushes are right on at the moment I think, though I don't remember his initial stance on Bardull. ****ing awful pool and I don't like him as a result.

J is just sitting on **** and whining a lot. It'd be fine if he were progressing the game but he's just making it all revolve around him and is stagnating ****ing everything. The argument between he and MacMan lasted FAR TOO ****ING LONG and that's due to him sitting on his Macman push despite Macman's play improving and Macman putting tangible content out there. There wasn't any progression or reaction to Macman putting solidified reads out there, he just kept saying macman was waffly. I haven't liked a single target he's made all game outside of his early Bardull push and, as I've said, he's keeping random **** close to the chest and is digging his heels into the dirt massively when called out on it. You could probably build a moat out of the tracks by now. ****ing grody slot with questionable objectives, **** his AtE meta.

I don't like FrozenFlame's pushes either, he just sits in the corner saying he hates all the common wagons and then flips off into inactive land trying to cherry pick random slots.

I still hate Bardull's entrance into the game. I'm not exactly a fan of Rajam's entrance either. Bully on that slot but it's the weakest scumread out of all of them.

I hate Joey's white-knighting but he's town for it. He's not playing carefully like I'd expect out of someone with Joey's caliber at the moment, he's legitimately sticking his neck out and playing with gusto on unpopular opinions. That's too ballsy for scumJoey. I've stopped reading his walls because they're incessant but I've not seen anything to contradict my read.

Ran/Ruy, Xatres, and FML populate Dumbtown with FML living out in the outskirts.

Macman and Zen are probably my strongest townreads in the game at the moment.

Everyone else is not a factor or irrelevant enough not to merit mention. Skimming to D2.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Gen 6 is definitely solid although the starters are easily the worst

do you wanna fight

i mean have you even seen emboar or torterra jegus

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

ebwop: will try to limit them, i was trying to avoid being so gogdamn excessive this time

whoops

 

[Jerkus]

I ****ing love Emboar. He has a beard made of fire; what are you even going to say to that? LESSER PIGS WOULD BECOME BACON INSTANTLY BUT NOT HIM.

Every generation has at least one decent starter except gen 6. This is not the place for this discussion, but I'll meet you after school by the bleachers if you wanna go.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I hate Joey's white-knighting but he's town for it. He's not playing carefully like I'd expect out of someone with Joey's caliber at the moment, he's legitimately sticking his neck out and playing with gusto on unpopular opinions. That's too ballsy for scumJoey. I've stopped reading his walls because they're incessant but I've not seen anything to contradict my read.

this is a good point, I skimmed much of Joey's post the first time I read them, but will keep this in mind when I complete my reread

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'll fight for my Greninja's valor but now is not the time or place.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh, forgot to mention if it wasn't inherently clear but I don't mind Nabe. He's a guy who takes his time to get rolling and I can understand his lack of presence even if it's disconcerting on a whole. He will have little presence but it's important to watch where he uses it. I actually like a lot of what he's doing with so little but I'm not going to flat-out call him town for it because I've seen him do so little with what he has and I can't call him town or scum until I see him start to play.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'll try to keep everything from now until I've caught up in 3 posts or less.

There's a lot of wagon-hopping going on at the end of this, swapping back and forth. This is a good time to see some weird ****ing actions play out because FF made a good point for once in saying that it was hella opportunistic and he wasn't even the first or second target of the switches. Need to go back and look at this to see if I can catch some of the scum in transition, the real meat of the day is there I think.

 

[#HBC | J]

Alex, bro, Circus has nearly done over 3/4ths of the posting this game. Your paragraph is therefore not totally true, just saying.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Put all this ****ing work in and now I wanna reread based on flips and the end of the day. **** me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Alex, bro, Circus has nearly done over 3/4ths of the posting this game. Your paragraph is therefore not totally true, just saying.

Still fairly accurate.

 

[Jerkus]

Yeah, pretty true.

Only things I'm going to touch there just because I don't want to dive back into this tired conversation too much are:

1) Mac starting to play better after I'd revealed what I disliked about his play doesn't deserve nearly as much credit as you're giving it. Why you think I should have just been sated by that is a mystery to me.
2) I realize you're skimming to get through the thread, and I don't blame you, but I said in multiple places that the reason I revealed the Mac/giraffes idea was to get a reaction. It was not the main thrust of my initial push on Mac, so I deemed it unworthy of immediate discussion. Mac obsessing over it only made me want to keep it under wraps more, because the last thing I wanted was for scumMac to dissect a hunch I knew was just that, and falsely discredit my initial issue with him. You act like no one's ever just dropped something without explanation in thread to get reads before.
3) The idea that I maliciously made up seeing a connection between Mac and giraffes as scum and get caught without one is super dumb. We can argue all day in post-game about how wrong I was for not just playing ball and outing my full read, but the idea that I just flung **** at the wall like that without a thought is pretty insulting.
4) I think Mac is town now (or at least not mafia).

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

FullMetalLynch is hated for the Day. It will one less vote to lynch him.

$20 says Gheb's responsible. $10 says this isn't a protown role but let's not play that game.

Unvote Vote Jerkus

speaking of which, i still think it's gross gheb's now siding on scumjerkus rather than town. where did his suspicions of zen/fml/nabe go what the ****

jerkus and scary's interactions all throughout yesterDay are gross. scary had been posting rvs nonsense at the beginning of the Day, and had very little content to go off of. jerkus took that as a "could die" or whatever it is that they explicitly said stance and didn't budge from that all Day. this stance is really really safe and allows jerkus an out to not take a stance on em. they had that period of time where they asked scary about his reads or something, but no follow up. when i spoke to jerkus about my opinion on scary, they said they agree, but that he's still just on the "could die" stance. no strong opinion on em. just that he could die. there was minimal interaction between jerkus and scary and, even though jerkus' vote was on scary, it was because scary was the opposing wagon. he was still insistent that he was a "could die" player and just handled scary as a whole very awkwardly. i implore everyone to take a second look at the interactions between the two slots n see how they feel.

fairly legitimate as well

Wondering if it could be some kind of Day action. Swords announced that you were Hated after the initial Day starting post. If it were a Night Action, I would expect it to be revealed at the same time as the flip. Especially if you didn't even get a PM about it. But assuming the role that does this can act at any point during the Day (which I guess isn't a totally safe assumption), why would they choose to do it now?

i dunno, wanna explain to me why gheb randomly flipped to you guys instead of sticking to the fml lynch he was so adamant about before?

: Between the random wagon settling on him at the end of the D1 and his posts today, FF is looking considerably better actually. Granted the random wagon also found scumScary so that's not a lot of credit but it looks like FF is finally getting into motion now that he has something he wants to work with. Still need to reread it to confirm.

That's about it from what I've noticed. I need to reread ending of D1 afterall and not just fly through it. There was a lot of important **** I missed but I'm doing that tomorrow, more particularly not at 4 am

 

[Jerkus]

Frankly, I'm shocked you gave it so much attention so soon after getting replaced in. Good on you.

 

[Jerkus]

Also, if nothing else, your mad wall scrawling at least reads super town. Fake-able, but town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

i still think it's gross gheb's now siding on scumjerkus rather than town. where did his suspicions of zen/fml/nabe go what the ****

Did you see the flips

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Did you see the flips

So where you at now and how did those flips read out to you in terms of interactions?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm currently writing a post on that.