Monster Island Mafia- Game over! Town wins!

[DtJ Jungle]

mentos hasnt said anything either

unrawr

 

[TigerWoods]

My dyslexia is preventing me from reading gheb's posts >>

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Funny you should mention Crayola, Chibo: did we get "second place" in that game, since SOG was a lynched jester?

Rawr: Blue Yoshi not really for the self-rawr, but for the role speculation, and the complete unwillingness to scumhunt, even in the future.

 

[mentosman8]

mentos hasnt said anything either

unrawr

Really Jungle? I've had a few posts already, one of which completely post joke-rawr, and I don't really like the fact that you're saying things that are blatantly not true.

unrawr, rawr:ScumFever

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

My dyslexia is preventing me from reading gheb's posts >>

Try to copypaste it into notepad.

@Mentos, you made 1 post pretty much stating the obvious. It's true that you did post, but it wasn't all that helpful. Still Scumfever shouldn't see it as nothing

On a note on the whole Scumfever thing, all I did was make a joke vote. I think the attack on him is based on nothing. He's just trying a bit too hard and ignores some things, which works against town, but looking at his post history I bet that'll improve soon(ish).

unRAWR: ScumFever

you guys are very close in outing a townie pr here. i admit its kinda obvious but you shouldnt draw attention to that imo.

It's better to point it out so that nobody reads past it, or writes it off as a mod mistake. People should stop being so aggresive. If someone makes a post pointing something out and you already seen it yourself, just be grateful that he points it out for the sake of the rest. People also attack me for pointing out the font thing, why? It's a good way to see how Gheb reacts to it.

I agree with Xiivi that Blue is kinda useless. He's voting on himself only and he's not posting anything constructive so far. Scumfever's behavior will improve if comparing to his post history, he's a good player so it would be stupid to lose him so early, though if he keeps going in against us we'd have no choice, but Blue is the one REALLY working against town, but in the hopes of more clarity I won't RAWR for him.

 

[CT Chia]

Funny you should mention Crayola, Chibo: did we get "second place" in that game, since SOG was a lynched jester?

I'll have to go re-read the thread later today, I forget. But either way, that's how I see it. You're not supposed to just openly lynch Jesters or the role itself doesn't make sense. Not to mention Mafia Wiki says it's like playing for 2nd.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Well, lets put it this way...

1. I am fairly new to mafia. This is my first online mafia game, and I've done like 5 in person before this... and those were always joke mafia games. So basically what I did was... although very extreme... kind-of what we did as a joke. And seeing how everyone started voting for me, and actually took it seriously, I realized that online is much more serious than what I had done in the past. Seeing people slowly stop voting for me, I thought it would be best to not post, and wait for my vote count to be lower before posting again.

2. I'm not going to keep my vote for myself... now that I see that it is a 'serious' game. But yeah, expect me to make lots of nooby mistakes throughout the game. The vote on myself was a joke... I do stuff like that all the time, whether it's in mafia (the few games I've played), smash, sports, or anything.

3. As for me being 'kinda useless', well, I'm new, so don't expect me to make incredible deductions. That said, I'll try my best to do what I can.

Yeah... in all the mafia games I've played, the actual strategic accusing has happened after the first day... since none of us were smart enough to deduce who's what with no prior information. I did not realize you started from the word go.

So basically, I'll be playing more seriously then I have been so far.

UnRAWR: Blue Yoshi

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You guess at the set-up, and then say someone on the blue yoshi wagon is probably scum based on statistics. Then you pick scumfever because Xonar has a vote on him.

is there anything about that course of action that seems wrong to you? which part is wrong and why?

You seem completely convinced it's a newbie townie mistake, much like scumfever seems completely convinced it's a newbie scum mistake. In all honestly I can see scum taking either stance on this issue if we operate under the assumption blue yoshi is town. They could push the lynch, or they could adamantly oppose it to gain credibility. You and scumfever come off as opposite sides of the spectrum to me.

i hope you noticed that this argument is mostly based on wifom. now im not the kind of player whod just 'hello wifom lololo'. every wifom argument describes a scenario with a certain risk/reward ratio. if you look at scumfever and me with that mindset youll see that scumlefever argues for a lynch that takes very little risk (an easy lynch without big conseuences) and has a relatively high reward (a probable mislynch with little risk of being outed). that looks like a perfect play for scum. in my case id like to think that its vastly different. protecting a doomed townie to gain credibility is a common mafia tactic but blue yoshi is by no means 'doomed''. if you look at this scenario youll see that the reward for me would be rather little (saving an inexperienced player) while the risk would be way too high to make it an option if i was scum (the risk being blue yoshi flipping scum and me looking scummy in the process).

2nd question: I doubt we'll see many large bandwagons that are 100% town.

but is this not reason enough for you already to take a more critical approach to that wagon instead of just pushing the quicklynch?

3rd question: Blue yoshi's vote is the worst vote of the wagon. Especially when he not only didn't remove it, but said he would be voting himself tomorrow as well.

i asked about whos the scummiest and why, not whos the worst (unless it means the same to you)

Policy.

id rather policy lynch the village idiot.

Less BlueYoshi wagon, more talking from people who haven't yet. Chaco? Riddle? People whom I've probably forgotten are even in the game? Thoughts, please.

riddle seems to have gone inactive in most of the game hes in recently. its really annoying. chaco is usually one of the most active posters in almost every mafia game next to macman. its weird to see that he hasnt posted yet but i think hes v/la because i cant remember him having posted a lot in other mafia games these days. cant say for sure though. if this guy starts coasting im all for pressure voting him.

mentos hasnt said anything either

unrawr

yes, he did. are you skimming?

My dyslexia is preventing me from reading gheb's posts >>

Try to copypaste it into notepad.

this.
im sorry to hear that tiger but you can copypaste my posts or read them in a quote.

On a note on the whole Scumfever thing, all I did was make a joke vote. I think the attack on him is based on nothing. He's just trying a bit too hard and ignores some things, which works against town, but looking at his post history I bet that'll improve soon(ish).

unRAWR: ScumFever

what the hell is this? dont hop off the scumfever wagon when were already having 3 votes on him. you want an 'european alliance' with me and then you do dumb stuff like that? if scumfever does things that work against town then you should vote him. get back on that wagon.


you guys really need to quit being stupid in regards to blue yoshi. of course hes not going to be helpful in terms of scumhunting if you scare the living hell out of him with a huge wagon. hop off his wagon, ask him questions and give him time to reconsider his position before you paint him in the worst light possible. this game is way too young to be so tunneled for something so minor. be more reasonable and consider other things such as scum coasting or being part of the blue yoshi wagon. tiger woods, kirbyoshi and xiivi frustrate me with their tunnelvision and lack of critical thinking in most regards apart from blue yoshi. you all look scummy for that.

also more scumfever wagon. now

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Well, I guess you could say that me voting for myself, and everyone's reaction to that has given us some information in a way... so I'm not all that useless

And sorry for the dumb question, but what is this 'Jester' person you are talking about? Is it someone that tries to die?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

what the hell is this? dont hop off the scumfever wagon when were already having 3 votes on him. you want an 'european alliance' with me and then you do dumb stuff like that? if scumfever does things that work against town then you should vote him. get back on that wagon.

No, I won't get back on the wagon, I think we need to keep the good players alive and think it's stupid you guys are so desperate to give up someone so early.
Then you are crying that people are scaring Blue and don't give him time, while you are asking people to RAWR against Scum, doing EXACTLY THAT. Contradiction much?
The 'EU alliance' was followed by a chuckle emoticon, btw.

a lynch that takes very little risk (an easy lynch without big conseuences) and has a relatively high reward

Low risk-high reward is good where I come from, do you want to spend the game taking big risks? or going for a low reward? I know I don't. Could you explain what's wrong with Low risk - High reward?

is there anything about that course of action that seems wrong to you? which part is wrong and why?

The thing that's wrong here is that you pick a random person. Except if a RANDOM vote from me is not random to you.

Calling my actions dumb isn't gonna help our EU alliance btw

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No, I won't get back on the wagon, I think we need to keep the good players alive and think it's stupid you guys are so desperate to give up someone so early.

who said anything about 'giving somebody up'? im only talking about a good old wagon. also what if all of the mafia in this game are good players? are we keeping them alive because theyre good?

Then you are crying that people are scaring Blue and don't give him time, while you are asking people to RAWR against Scum, doing EXACTLY THAT. Contradiction much?

it is not the same thing. blue yoshi wagon literally had 5 wagoners only because of him self-voting. none of his wagoners have justified their votes and there seemed to be no control over that wagon. of course an inexperienced player cant handle such a situation too well. howd you react?
scumfever is completely different because i presented a legit case against him and also created a viable platform of discussion in this regard. there was no discussion being made for the blue yoshi wagon. it wasnt legit. scumfever is legit unless somebody proves my case against him wrong.

Low risk-high reward is good where I come from, do you want to spend the game taking big risks? or going for a low reward? I know I don't. Could you explain what's wrong with Low risk - High reward?

its very easy for scum to do things that arent risky but rewarding to them. it helps them to stay unnoticed, which is why people need to be called out. look at the blue yoshi wagon again. 5 people are/were on that wagon just because he self voted? where was the discussion about this? its so very easy for scum to place a vote on him without elaborating further and then slip under the radar.

the other thing is that town simply *has* to play risky sometimes. we are the uninformed majority. scum doesnt have to take chances - we do. scum doesnt have to find us - we have to find *them* and they do their best to stay unnoticed. playing low risk is exactly that.

The thing that's wrong here is that you pick a random person. Except if a RANDOM vote from me is not random to you.

it is not random at all. i have brought forth a legitimate case against scumfever. discussion is being made about it and its deserving of a wagon.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I think I can see where you're coming from, I think I took a wrong approach in my logic to convince you. I prefer keeping people alive as long as possible and getting nice clues out it, which has worked wonders so far.

who said anything about 'giving somebody up'? im only talking about a good old wagon. also what if all of the mafia in this game are good players? are we keeping them alive because theyre good?

Yes, if everyone is a good player we should keep them alive as long as possible, and only decide close to the deadline, except if it's obvious.

Also, I dislike wagons which is why I unRAWRd out of the scumfever wagon. Asking someone to explain themselves is just as resourceful as having 5 RAWRs on him, the only difference is that the mod now has more RAWRs to count. RAWRing should only be done to put pressure, but starting a wagon is anything but pressure as we all know it's not gonna be a lynch any time soon... well not where I come from.

it is not the same thing. blue yoshi wagon literally had 5 wagoners only because of him self-voting. none of his wagoners have justified their votes and there seemed to be no control over that wagon. of course an inexperienced player cant handle such a situation too well. howd you react?
scumfever is completely different because i presented a legit case against him and also created a viable platform of discussion in this regard. there was no discussion being made for the blue yoshi wagon. it wasnt legit. scumfever is legit unless somebody proves my case against him wrong.

1. Could you sum up your ScumFever case so it's not spread out all over the thread?
2. The legitness (if thats the word, hehe) of the Blue wagon is the fact that he wants (wanted?) to vote on himself only, and he didn't post anything constructive.
3. ScumFever post up

its very easy for scum to do things that arent risky but rewarding to them. it helps them to stay unnoticed, which is why people need to be called out. look at the blue yoshi wagon again. 5 people are/were on that wagon just because he self voted? where was the discussion about this? its so very easy for scum to place a vote on him without elaborating further and then slip under the radar.

Things like what?
The discussion was unnecessary as he was obviously planning to work against town.
Yeah, slipping under the radar because you don't post that much. That's kinda a WIFOM (I think you silly Americans call it like that) about whether or not he will cover up his scumminess with posting or remaining silent.
Overall: You are immediately jumping the gun saying that ScumFever is doing something scummy without giving him the time. You're scaring him. (sounds familiar?)

it is not random at all. i have brought forth a legitimate case against scumfever. discussion is being made about it and its deserving of a wagon.

I disagree.

 

[Xiivi]

unrawr: rawr: chaco

Scumfever is V/LA until sunday, check the V/LA thread.

 

[Cacti]

Funny you should mention Crayola, Chibo: did we get "second place" in that game, since SOG was a lynched jester?

Rawr: Blue Yoshi not really for the self-rawr, but for the role speculation, and the complete unwillingness to scumhunt, even in the future.

A whole lotta people were rolefishing before. Why choose Blue Yoshi out of all of em? I think that it seemed like Xonar was fishing pretty bad before. Same goes with the unwillingness to scumhunt. There are others who are doing this too, and are lurking, like Riddle.

Also, I dislike wagons which is why I unRAWRd out of the scumfever wagon. Asking someone to explain themselves is just as resourceful as having 5 RAWRs on him, the only difference is that the mod now has more RAWRs to count. RAWRing should only be done to put pressure, but starting a wagon is anything but pressure as we all know it's not gonna be a lynch any time soon... well not where I come from.

Whats so wrong about bandwagons? I think it's a good tactic, and it just pressures people better then just asking them to explain themselves. It's good for pressuring things like lurking, as it will force people to come up and make a defense.

Overall: You are immediately jumping the gun saying that ScumFever is doing something scummy without giving him the time. You're scaring him. (sounds familiar?)

D1 is pressure, pressure, pressure. I think it is good that Gheb is pressuring Scumfever. Gets things rolling. All Gheb's doing is asking people to bandwagon onto Scumfever, which might prompt him to respond.

Xonar, why so opposed to the regular tactics that get D1 moving?

Not getting the case for scumfever, so I don't have an opinion on it yet. Could someone clarify it for me, state it in one post like Xonar said?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I guess I'm not used to approaching it that way.

Whats so wrong about bandwagons? I think it's a good tactic, and it just pressures people better then just asking them to explain themselves. It's good for pressuring things like lurking, as it will force people to come up and make a defense.

You think it's a good tactic, I think it's a bad tactic. Imo calling people out is just as powerful, and if they keep resisting afterwards it's a possible way to continue.

D1 is pressure, pressure, pressure. I think it is good that Gheb is pressuring Scumfever. Gets things rolling. All Gheb's doing is asking people to bandwagon onto Scumfever, which might prompt him to respond.

I guess that's how it rolls here then, sigh. I'll stop interfering and see how Blue and Scum save themselves.

 

[Cacti]

unrawr rawr: kirbyoshi

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

To join the trend on RAWRing against inactive players..

RAWR: Chaco

 

[Circus]

Unrawr, since Chaco's out of commission for a while (how many people does that make for this game right now? Like, four?).

Tiger, have you been able to get through Gheb's posts? Whether you did or not, any thoughts to share with the town?

 

[TigerWoods]

Just got through all of that. Unrawr

I'm a bit suspicious of Kirby though because he may have planned this argument we're having over his innocence, hiding behind the facade of a new player. We should keep an eye on him...

I want to wait for Scum's response before I make any decisions.

 

[smashman90]

Chaco has been prodded. Marshy is replacing GOTM.

 

[Xiivi]

I want to wait for Scum's response before I make any decisions.

you'll be waiting until Sunday if you do that

unrawr: rawr: marshy

been coasting all game take him out guys!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Could you sum up your ScumFever case so it's not spread out all over the thread?

read post #71 and post #79

I'm a bit suspicious of Kirby though because he may have planned this argument we're having over his innocence, hiding behind the facade of a new player. We should keep an eye on him...

i agree with this. he put blue yoshi back at l-2 without bringing anything new to the table and cactis response to his accusations have merit. he should explain himself.

unrawr rawr kirbyoshi

you'll be waiting until Sunday if you do that

unrawr: rawr: marshy

been coasting all game take him out guys!

youre being unbarably silly now. dragging out the rvs reminds me of scumbags hiding behind a veil of humor. stop it now and get serious. discussion is being made. dont avoid it.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I did state my defense. I had said I was just joking... and had not taken this game seriously due to past experience of day 1's being jokefests (in my in-person mafia games). I'm taking it seriously now (hence my unvoting for myself).

But... you have to admit, me voting for myself has given us quite a bit of information based on people's reaction to it...

 

[Blue Yoshi]

my last post was in response to someone mentioning they wanted to see an explanation from me and someone else (I think scumfever). Can't find the post anymore.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But... you have to admit, me voting for myself has given us quite a bit of information based on people's reaction to it...

by that logic you can justify everything. it doesnt work. just admit that it was a stupid move and then move on. drawing attention to something that has been talked about so many time is already useless but taking *credit* for doing something stupid is really laughable. who is scummy and why? what do you think of scumfever, chibo and kirbyoshi?

frozen, mentos are you done lurking? people should start to use their votes already to get this game rolling. the rvs is already behind us. no need to be stalling/coasting. you have a vote so use it. be vocal about suspicions. tiger, kirbyoshi, chibo, blue yoshi start posting more useful stuff. you guys are all classical vig fodder. you might be town alligned but by playing wishy-washy youre not playing protown. ask people questions about what theyre doing and why theyre doing it. you cant just keep sitting on the fence forever.
riddlle has gone inactive in all the games he is in. he has even been modkilled in monster mafia and i have been told that he doesnt enjoy this game anymore. i know its lame but hell probably be replaced. pressure voting him wont do it because he wont come back.

welcome to the game, marshy. nice to see a vet steeping it up. i assume that youll be more helpful than scumtosman and frozenscum. is there anything that stands out to you? whose suspicions do you agree with? whos scummier - blue yoshi or his wagoners?

 

[Circus]

Rawr: Marshy

Show your face, replacement of a replacement.

 

[TigerWoods]

From what I've read I -think- that between scumfever and Gheb there are 2 possiblities:

Scum is Scum and Gheb is Town
OR
Scum is Scum and Gheb is Scum

I say this because earlier they seemed to butt heads a lot, which leads me to believe that they are either on opposite sides or that they are both scum staging a fight to gain some credibility to themselves. I highly doubt that they are both protown.


Also, I'm a bit suspicious of Gheb just because even if his posts are critical with good observations. If he was protown, I feel like he would be putting a bulls-eye on his forehead due to the fact that he appears to be a critical player to the mafia. Letting a protown player with skills in deduction live would be a rather dumb plan. If he was mafia, he may be trying to post well(and may actually vote for other mafia) to gain our trust.

 

[TigerWoods]

Excuse the second paragraph's grammar lmao:

Also, I'm a bit suspicious of Gheb even if his posts are critical with good observations. If he was protown, I feel like he would be putting a bulls-eye on his forehead due to the fact that he appears to be a critical player to the mafia. Letting a protown player with skills in deduction live would be a rather dumb plan. If he was mafia, he may be trying to post well(and may actually vote for other mafia) to gain our trust.

 

[Xiivi]

I would totally vig gheb before vigging any of the people he labeled as vig fodder.

Tiger can you show me where Scumfever was butting heads with Gheb and it not just being Gheb shoving his scumfever wagon down everyone's throats?

:D

 

[#HBC | marshy]

h i

 

[Xiivi]

hi marshy would you like more votes with that?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

are there some sweet wagons to choose from?

i read through and i think chibo's just dumbtown. blue yoshi as well

@ smashman: request votecount

 

[Xiivi]

I wish there were. Gheb's too busy trying to be every other post and everyone else is asleep.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

RAWR a minute, I am alive!

Currently everything is a bit slow because we are missing posters, especially Scumfever who has a case running against him from Gheb, but Gheb and Scum occasionally get into arguments in their games.

As I see it they're probably both townies but with completely different play styles, completely different as in opposite. I do agree with Tiger that Gheb is playing a bit unsafe for a townie, but Scum is also doing similar stuff, except for the fact that Scum isn't posting atm.

Marshy could you elaborate on your view of the situation?

Xiivi why are you hyping voting so much? Just because it's day 1?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

I wish there were. Gheb's too busy trying to be every other post and everyone else is asleep.

that sucks hard. i would join your effort of drumming up wagons but youre voting me

 

[Xiivi]

I was voting you 'cause you deserved attention.

unvote: vote: circus

 

[#HBC | marshy]

unrawr whoever rawr circus

 

[Xiivi]

xonar you should be hyped about voting

if you're town it's your best tool!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

xonar you should be hyped about voting

if you're town it's your best tool!

That's exactly why I think we should RAWR carefully

 

[~ Gheb ~]

From what I've read I -think- that between scumfever and Gheb there are 2 possiblities:

Scum is Scum and Gheb is Town
OR
Scum is Scum and Gheb is Scum

this looks like a very hasty deduction to me. what makes you so sure that it couldnt be just a town vs town debate between me and scumfever? statistically its the most likely scenario yet its the only one you exclude as an option?

I say this because earlier they seemed to butt heads a lot, which leads me to believe that they are either on opposite sides or that they are both scum staging a fight to gain some credibility to themselves. I highly doubt that they are both protown.

just because the two of us had an argument earlier doesn't mean that we dont share the same allignment. for all i - or you - know we could just be two townies being mistaken or discussing over a nulltell. keep in mind: only scum knows whos town and whos not. assuming that both scumfever and me are both town there seems to be nothing wrong with this scenario.

Also, I'm a bit suspicious of Gheb just because even if his posts are critical with good observations. If he was protown, I feel like he would be putting a bulls-eye on his forehead due to the fact that he appears to be a critical player to the mafia. Letting a protown player with skills in deduction live would be a rather dumb plan. If he was mafia, he may be trying to post well(and may actually vote for other mafia) to gain our trust.

so what am i supposed to do? are you saying that i should *not* play like a townie ... because thats a scummy thing to do? am i supposed to play like a scumbag to make you think im town? thats a huge logical fallacy. if you have a reason to mistrust me then be specific and point out where and why i am suspicious. the underlined part looks particularily counterproductive. why would you *not* let a player with the deduction skills you so praise live? what if you lynch me and i flip town? then you are losing those deductions and you will have an even harder time to find scum. if i really *am* scum and you never manage to lynch me because i manage to look like a townie the whole game then its *you* who need step up your games. but just straight lynching me because of such a fallacious logic could be fatal. in a nutshell you say that i am suspicious becuase i am *not* suspicious.

I wish there were. Gheb's too busy trying to be every other post and everyone else is asleep.

and you are unhelpdumb

youre being unbarably silly now. dragging out the rvs reminds me of scumbags hiding behind a veil of humor. stop it now and get serious. discussion is being made. dont avoid it.

this point still stands. posts like this don't change my mind.

I would totally vig gheb before vigging any of the people he labeled as vig fodder.

Tiger can you show me where Scumfever was butting heads with Gheb and it not just being Gheb shoving his scumfever wagon down everyone's throats?

:D

do you want to actually win this game?

are there some sweet wagons to choose from?

are you down for a scumfever wagon? i already tried to get it rolling but xonar was being dumb and hopped off. its only me and mentos for now but it would be dandy if you (and hopefully frozen) would hop on it.

unrawr rawr scumfever