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Shocodoro Blagshidect
And I'm assuming the second, or at least trying to bring it to light.
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Monster Island Mafia- Game over! Town wins!
- Thread starter smashman90
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I'm highly doubting Chaco is scum. Mafia having a roleblocker isn't exactly uncommon here, and as FF said if there is one in existence, there would be absolutely no reason to kill him.
One thing I wanted to point out(took me looking at the lynch/death flavor again to notice it), but Marshy made a comment
One thing I wanted to point out(took me looking at the lynch/death flavor again to notice it), but Marshy made a comment
MechaGodzilla didn't flip Alien Invader Godfather, he flipped Leader. That would mean that the only people who would know he was in fact a godfather would be the mafia, as the way the role was given to us does not equate to a godfather.
I was thinking the exact same thing mentos. But earlier marshy made a post that made it seem like he wasn't sure if it was a GF.
oh actually nvm, that post was AFTER the post yu linked. That is quite telling. Marshy, response?
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
It's not less then logical to assume he is the godfather, do you know of any other role that leader could suggest?
Why are you defending him?
Leader could be something that implies the one who send in the kills at the beginning. It doesn't even have to be a mafia PR. I've seen some games where there was a mafia "hitman"(looks at spidey maf) and the only thing about him was that he performed the kill. Leader=/=godfather
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
Because I don't want town to accidentally get lynched. I'm not saying he's town, just saying that it's logical to think that. I've been defending everyone so far because I hate mislynches.
Well, mentos has a point anyways. I never looked at it that way. Would like to hear marshy now.
Literally this post is baffling.
I am a cop. I made that distraction as a MEANS NOT to get targetted.
Scum would not target a cop with a doc alive, they know they lose a kill.
Pretty obvious stuff here.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
Ok, so with that post you're basically saying you're using cop to be nk and lynch immune. Mehs, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're the cop. Would like to see some result tomorrow though 
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
Jesus christ Xonar, how much more simply can I put this?
I'm borrowing this from Chibo:
Chaco claimed Cop
Cop got no info and said he was roleblocked
Town roleblocker wouldnt roleblock town cop
Either there's a mafia roleblocker or Chaco is scum.
Those are the two possibilities. The fact that Chaco claimed cop and there was NO COUNTERCLAIM heavily lends to the possibility that Chaco is a legit cop that got roleblocked. The only scenario in which Chaco could be scum lying about being a cop and being roleblocked, is if this game didn't have a cop to begin with. I find that HIGHLY unlikely.
Thus, the logical conclusion is that Chaco is the REAL cop and WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY THE MAFIA SINCE NO TOWN ROLEBLOCKER WOULD BE DUMB ENOUGH TO ROLEBLOCK AN UN CC'D COP.
Or maybe I'm wrong and someone is that dumb. God help us all if that's the case.
Xonar is looking like a better and better lynch every minute but I'm not gonna budge on Marshy until he posts.
I'm borrowing this from Chibo:
Chaco claimed Cop
Cop got no info and said he was roleblocked
Town roleblocker wouldnt roleblock town cop
Either there's a mafia roleblocker or Chaco is scum.
Those are the two possibilities. The fact that Chaco claimed cop and there was NO COUNTERCLAIM heavily lends to the possibility that Chaco is a legit cop that got roleblocked. The only scenario in which Chaco could be scum lying about being a cop and being roleblocked, is if this game didn't have a cop to begin with. I find that HIGHLY unlikely.
Thus, the logical conclusion is that Chaco is the REAL cop and WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY THE MAFIA SINCE NO TOWN ROLEBLOCKER WOULD BE DUMB ENOUGH TO ROLEBLOCK AN UN CC'D COP.
Or maybe I'm wrong and someone is that dumb. God help us all if that's the case.
Xonar is looking like a better and better lynch every minute but I'm not gonna budge on Marshy until he posts.
-1 again i think. just want to say wow @ anyone taking mentos' "good catch" seriously. biggest reach of all time? bigger and better post coming
rawr mentos because hes been acting like scum this game
rawr mentos because hes been acting like scum this game
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
I'm just saying it's a possibility, you're acting like I'm trying to be the bible or summit.
i have an excellent reason for voting macman near the end of the day. xiivi was a no-go and macman was acting like scum
bussing the gf is a good move because there's always roleblockers in these games. i assume gf/scum roleblocker duo because theres been one in nearly every game ive played on here
if my wagoners aren't hopping off then ill claim along with the million breadcrumbs ive dropped
bussing the gf is a good move because there's always roleblockers in these games. i assume gf/scum roleblocker duo because theres been one in nearly every game ive played on here
ok guy who voted macman with me and is now voting me because i voted macman
no. mechagodzilla was def godfather. who's the leader of the mafia? oh thats right the godfather. who's godzilla's biggest enemy? oh snap mechagodzilla. flavor hunting but oh well deal with it. i'm going to continue assuming that bussing scumfevah was a legit strategy
if my wagoners aren't hopping off then ill claim along with the million breadcrumbs ive dropped
eh, I don't think you should claim.
I think people should start unrawring and think this through. Shouldn't tunnel so hard d2 just cuz we lynched scum day1.
I think people should start unrawring and think this through. Shouldn't tunnel so hard d2 just cuz we lynched scum day1.
survivor?
^ lol
@ smashman: votecount please
@ smashman: votecount please
frozen, what do you find scummy about xonar presenting the possibility that chaco could be mafia making the cop gambit?
smashman90
Smash Lord
"NIIIIIIICE!" Vote/Rawr Count:
Mentos: Marshy (1)
Marshy: Frozenflame, Cacti, Chibo, Chaco (4)
Chibo: Macman, Kirbyoshi, Xonar (3)
Not Rawring:Mentos, Blue Yoshi, Circus, TigerWoods (4)
Since there are 12 people left, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Remember, it takes 7 votes to lynch a person.
Mentos: Marshy (1)
Marshy: Frozenflame, Cacti, Chibo, Chaco (4)
Chibo: Macman, Kirbyoshi, Xonar (3)
Not Rawring:Mentos, Blue Yoshi, Circus, TigerWoods (4)
Since there are 12 people left, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Remember, it takes 7 votes to lynch a person.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
I have a rawr on chibo
@ Macman
All the evidence we have suggests that Chaco is a legit cop, yet Xonar is still clinging to possibility that he's actually scum so much that he first suggests that it is the more plausible case, and then fence-hops and retracts his statement in an attempt to claim a platform of mere mention, not support.
It's wishy washy, it's illogical, and feels like he's trying to make us tale steps backward and reconsider what should be solidly understood at this point.
@ Marshy, you points are being considered. I'm gonna go back and re-examine Macman and mentos. Don't claim, I'll even unvote for now.
Unvote: Marshy
But yeah, I need some review time before I decide if Marshy remains the play or if we move on.
^^^^ THIS is why I find his constant reconsideration of the scenario scummy.
All the evidence we have suggests that Chaco is a legit cop, yet Xonar is still clinging to possibility that he's actually scum so much that he first suggests that it is the more plausible case, and then fence-hops and retracts his statement in an attempt to claim a platform of mere mention, not support.
It's wishy washy, it's illogical, and feels like he's trying to make us tale steps backward and reconsider what should be solidly understood at this point.
@ Marshy, you points are being considered. I'm gonna go back and re-examine Macman and mentos. Don't claim, I'll even unvote for now.
Unvote: Marshy
But yeah, I need some review time before I decide if Marshy remains the play or if we move on.
why Mentos and I specifically? Does that mean you are suspicious of us?
Also, is what xonar doing scummy? Do you expect scum who rolelocked chaco to play dumb the same way xonar is?
Also, is what xonar doing scummy? Do you expect scum who rolelocked chaco to play dumb the same way xonar is?
I'm not suspicious of you at all Macman, but that's mostly based on our Day 1 result. I need to look over you again pre-Day 1 lynch to see exactly where Marshy is coming from. I'll have to see exactly how "scummy" you were and see how plausible the vote jump was.
Mentos I'll be looking at since he's Marshy's new target. I'm basically examining his two major cases of the game.
I don't expect the person who roleblocked Chaco to PLAY dumb. If anything I could see the roleblocker just being dumb and trying to dismiss the possibility of his existence too hard as a result of getting over excited at the prospect of a town willing to believe that an UN CC'D COP is actually gambitting scum. Doesn't even have to necessarily be the maf. role blocker, he could just be a good or any other mafia making the same mistake.
Point is I don't think it's an act, I think its genuinely dumb, poor scum play.
Mentos I'll be looking at since he's Marshy's new target. I'm basically examining his two major cases of the game.
I don't expect the person who roleblocked Chaco to PLAY dumb. If anything I could see the roleblocker just being dumb and trying to dismiss the possibility of his existence too hard as a result of getting over excited at the prospect of a town willing to believe that an UN CC'D COP is actually gambitting scum. Doesn't even have to necessarily be the maf. role blocker, he could just be a good or any other mafia making the same mistake.
Point is I don't think it's an act, I think its genuinely dumb, poor scum play.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
Yes, I want you to step back and reconsider what YOU THINK should be solidly understood right now. You might just be doing what they want you to do.
What's all your evidence? ASSUMING they have a roleblocker and that chaco got roleblocked?
No, I'm still saying it's a plausible case, just saying that I'm just merely mentioning this plausible case.
Emphasis add by me.
OMG WHEN CAN WE LYNCH XONAR?!
Dude, seriously, answer me this:
What's more likely, that this game has no cop, Chaco got lucky and claimed it and is now using that gambit to hopefully ride out the game by claiming false roleblockedness
OR
That the game does have a cop (like almost every mafia game ever), Chaco is it, and actually did get legitimately roleblocked by a mafiat (which is a VERY common mafia role).
If you look at all of the events that transpired on the surface, the second scenario is what one would immediately conclude. It's also simply much more likely than the first scenario. Without a solid reason to believe the former scenario is true, that latter is very likely the case. Just because a scenario is POSSIBLE doesn't mean it's worth constant reconsideration. All that does is muddle what should be understood as the likley case with frivolous and often confusing possible yet unlikely alternatives. Classic scum confusion tactic.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
You're not getting my point...
I'm not trying to be the bible, I'm just marking it as a POSSIBILITY. Mhm? Constant reconsideration? you mean that if something gets discussed once, it's constantly being reconsidered?
I'm not going on likeliness, you're REALLY exaggerating this. How could I know that roleblocker is a common role here? It's pretty darn rare where I come from (I posted about this before
)I'm not causing confusion, I'm bringing attention to this case as it deserves attention imo.
Cacti
Smash Journeyman
Frozen, I think that you're metagaming too much on the regular roles used in setups. There's not a cop in every game, there wasn't one in Simpsons Mafia. There might not be a cop because this setup seems to have uncommon, or original roles (See Shellshocker, Stunner), and may not have the normal cop. Cop could even have just not cc'd and listened to Macman day one. I don't think that it's good to just dismiss possibilities like this.
What does everyone else have to think about this?
What does everyone else have to think about this?
cacti, do you think chaco is scummy?
Cacti, Frozen's point is that until we have a reason to believe otherwise, we shouldn't be pushing a much more unlikely scenario. He's not saying completely dismiss the possibility, he's saying there's no reason to discuss the unlikely scenario until we have good reason to do so. Plus if Marshy is right and/or slipped about MechGodzilla being a godfather, it pretty much confirms a cop would be in the game.
mentos. who is scum?
unrawr rawr scumnar
unrawr rawr scumnar
I'm not sure why you would ask that of someone you have a vote on followed by removing that vote and switching to a more popular opinion. I'm somewhat tempted to vote you or Xonar right now(although Xonar is new to SWF, so I can't quite tell if what he's saying is newbie or scummy.)
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
I don't get you guys pushing a lynch based on me presenting a possibility :/
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
Meh let me rephrase that:
I don't get why you people put me in a negative light for presenting a possibility.
I don't get why you people put me in a negative light for presenting a possibility.
Blue Yoshi
Smash Master
Well, it seems people are arguing over Chaco's cop claim as being true or not. I know I'm re-stating the obvious, but here are the possibilities:
Chaco is the cop, and he was roleblocked.
Chaco is scum, pretending to be the cop.
Do we know how many people are scum in this game? This affects the rest of my post. I will assume three, but if it is different, let me know.
We have already removed one of the three scum in the game on the first day (while losing two town), so we're left with 2 scum and 10 town. If there is another cop, then if they claim, we will know for sure that Chaco is scum and can vote him out today. This will result in only 1 scum left and 9 town (scum nightkilling town). This would be incredible odds for town. So that said, if there is another cop, in my opinion, you should claim, thus the above will take place, and we'll be left with only one scum left.
If no cop claims, then we can't prove his cop claim false (though this doesn't necessarily mean it is false). All I'm saying is that now would, in my opinion, be an excellent time to claim cop, since we'll be guaranteed lynching scum today.
my two cents on this topic.
Chaco is the cop, and he was roleblocked.
Chaco is scum, pretending to be the cop.
Do we know how many people are scum in this game? This affects the rest of my post. I will assume three, but if it is different, let me know.
We have already removed one of the three scum in the game on the first day (while losing two town), so we're left with 2 scum and 10 town. If there is another cop, then if they claim, we will know for sure that Chaco is scum and can vote him out today. This will result in only 1 scum left and 9 town (scum nightkilling town). This would be incredible odds for town. So that said, if there is another cop, in my opinion, you should claim, thus the above will take place, and we'll be left with only one scum left.
If no cop claims, then we can't prove his cop claim false (though this doesn't necessarily mean it is false). All I'm saying is that now would, in my opinion, be an excellent time to claim cop, since we'll be guaranteed lynching scum today.
my two cents on this topic.
Blue Yoshi
Smash Master
Sorry, meant to say "For the sake of what I am about to say, I will assume there are three scum, but if there is a different number, then this may not be the best course of action.
First of all Blue, you aren't taking into account the possibility of multiple cops. Even if there was a CC, it doesn't guarantee Chaco as scum. Make it more likely? Yes. Make it definite? No. Secondly, in your numbers you forgot to account for the second kill, so there would be 8 town left not 9, and finally there is likely an extra scum in the form of a serial killer accounting for the second death. 3-4 mafia+sk total. But yeah, if there was another cop claim, they likely would have claimed already(back around when Chaco first made his claim) and I would think the claim trying to get Chaco lynched more suspicious than his claim.
Blue Yoshi
Smash Master
I've never played with more than one cop (all I've played with was a se-er, a witch (one heal and one kill potion), and a hunter (takes someone with him). So half of these roles I am unfamiliar with or may not take into account. But yes, you are right in that I have not taken into account that there may be more than one cop.