Monster Island Mafia- Game over! Town wins!

[Blue Yoshi]

What do you want to hear from me? If there's a question in particular, ask. If you just want me to say something, then... HAIIIIII <(^o^)>

If you're wondering why I voted for you in particular, I stated why in a previous post (#531). Other than that, I don't know what you want me to say.

 

[TigerWoods]

Well, what are your thoughts on Marshy? What do you think of the other people I find suspicious? Why should I not vote for you since you are being quite elusive? What are your thoughts on Chibo? Any ideas to share with Town?

 

[TigerWoods]

I just want you to talk

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Mac, I'm not sure why me not being overly suspicious of JF makes me look bad. I definitely didn't adamantly defend him, and as you pointed out, I didn't vote for a competing wagon in order to save him. JF was neutral in my book and my behavior exhibits that.

JF was obviously pretty neutral to A LOT of people, considering it only took 4 votes to kill him. I'll be honest here guys, we townies got pretty **** lucky nailing the GF on a deadline forced lynch Day 1. It seems to me like any reasonable mafia group would pull out all the stoppers to prevent that from happening. If you force a town flip on a forced lynched, the town learns a **** TON less than they do from a mafia flip. If 4 people lynch a mafiat, its HIGHLY unlikely that a fellow mafiat is among them when the normal majority needed is basically twice that. Force a town flip and its easy to pass that mislynch off as townies just incorrectly bussing in early game and just getting a poor read. I know this is COMPLETE WIFOM, but let me tell you, if I was a mafiat, I would NOT have let what happened Day 1 happen at almost any cost. It seems here the mafia just couldn't coordinate quickly enough and came up short.

As for Marshy, its going to take a very solid claim and a good case to convince me it isn't him. As I already stated, his willingness to just follow me on whomever I decided, and then his bail just prior to deadline as probably a last ditch attempt to save JF is way too much evidence against him for me to reasonable conclude otherwise.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Had a tournament this weekend, will post later with some thoughts

Tiger and blue are cleared in my eyes btw, will elaborate later.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

ggs: kirbyoshi, tigerwoods, blue yoshi, macman, jerkus, chaco, chibo

updated. not sure where to go from here

not much i can say in defense. pressured frozen because he wasn't doing anything and badly needed to take a stance

want i claim?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

unrawr macman

 

[#HBC | marshy]

if frozen gets to use wifom then i do too. i would've been feeding scumfevah line after line d1 and he would've been under the bus as soon as chaco claimed cop

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Had a tournament this weekend, will post later with some thoughts

Tiger and blue are cleared in my eyes btw, will elaborate later.

So...
In my case against Tiger I started on his HUGE relation to Gheb. Gheb was town, so I think Tiger is town too. Tiger also has an obvious relation with BlueYoshi, and if Tiger is town I think BlueYoshi is town too. That's all.

Chibo is doin some pretty scum things imo, don't like how he posts. For now RAWR: Chibo

Also, 2 townies died tonight, that means that we have to watch out, because if scum can doublekill we're pretty ****ed. I also don't see the double-vote anymore so I think Xiivi was the doublevoter. Stunner is probably roleblocker or something.

 

[CT Chia]

How would scum have 2 night kills?

Doublevoter doesn't have to put its vote down right away, it can be whenever. That doesn't mean it was Xiivi at all.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

How would scum have 2 night kills?

Doublevoter doesn't have to put its vote down right away, it can be whenever. That doesn't mean it was Xiivi at all.

1. I dunno, just saying 'if'

2. I know.

 

[TigerWoods]

Relation to blue yoshi? How so?

I don't really like him ( in this game )

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Relation to blue yoshi? How so?

I don't really like him ( in this game )

See my huge-*** post about you a while ago.

 

[Circus]

Keeping this short and sweet until I have time to look back over the recent posts again and dissect things a little better.

If Chaco didn't have that cop claim, I would want him dead something fierce. The connections I see between him and Jungle on D1 are glaringly obvious. And given the weird/uncommon roles we have now seen in this game (a shellshocker [whatever that is], a stunner [whatever that is], a doublevoter [rare, at least on SWF]), it would not surprise me if roles as obvious and common as cop and roleblocker just didn't exist. I would really appreciate it if people would look back through D1 and look at the way Chaco reacted to pressure, the way Scumfever used humor to try and weakly halt the wagon on Chaco, etc. If Chaco weren't claiming cop, would you be suspicious of him?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

yeah id def be /in for chaco death if it wasnt for his claim

my wagoners should tell me if theyre going to move or not

 

[TigerWoods]

To be quite honest Xonar... I'm being lazy... Mind linking me?

I can assure you I do not like blue at ALL and he's on my 50/50 Town list.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

To be quite honest Xonar... I'm being lazy... Mind linking me?

I can assure you I do not like blue at ALL and he's on my 50/50 Town list.

Just as lazy here.

Though your response puts some changes in my scumlist...

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Yeah, me and Tiger have been at each other for a long time... probably since the start of the game (when I self-voted and he immediately hopped on my wagon after scumfever). I don't know what Tiger is thinking, but from what I see, this may be a town vs town argument, both of us thinking the other is scum (I still have suspicions over Tiger, as evident with my late last-minute vote over me, he still has some over me, as evident with some of his posts questioning me).

I'm busy for the next while (for various reasons), so I probably won't be able to re-read until after Christmas. But anyways, if someone wants (or has the free time), they should probably re-read over the me vs tiger issue, and state in their opinion whether it's a town vs town situation like I described above, or if they think one of us is scum. That's going to be one of the main things I'm looking at when I do end up re-reading day 1.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I don't know what Tiger is thinking, but from what I see, this may be a town vs town argument, both of us thinking the other is scum (I still have suspicions over Tiger, as evident with my late last-minute vote over me, he still has some over me, as evident with some of his posts questioning me).

I can see there might be some mis-understanding from the beginning of this post, so I'll clarify before people take it the wrong way. I don't know what Tiger's thought process is at the moment, but I believe this is the scenario that is happening between us.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Mhm, convenient that Chaco got roleblocked.

especially because someone who was a 'Stunner' was just killed.
Stunner... Roleblocker...

I'm keeping an eye on you Chaco.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

updated. not sure where to go from here

not much i can say in defense. pressured frozen because he wasn't doing anything and badly needed to take a stance

want i claim?

I agree I was pretty lathargic at that point and as such the pressure was warranted. However, what I don't get is you putting that pressure on, then following me like you obviously intended to do as your pressure posts conveyed, but then inexplicably swapping your vote at the last second. Without a **** good explanation for those specific actions, or a solid claim, my vote isn't coming off.

if frozen gets to use wifom then i do too. i would've been feeding scumfevah line after line d1 and he would've been under the bus as soon as chaco claimed cop

I don't see the logic in this. Why would you immediately bus your GF after a cop claim? Why would you want to bus your ace in the hole against cops when you've got a confirmed cop out in the open (who will likely draw the doc if one exists, thus preventing you from killing him)? Unless you are privvy to information the town wouldn't necessarily know until AFTER N1 (i.e. that a maf. roleblocker exists), bussing your GF is NOT a prudent move. If you can keep the cop locked down it is, but otherwise, bad idea. So what's the deal with this then? I'd like to believe you're beyond making a dumb slip up like suggesting you knew about the maf. roleblocker before Day 1, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

yeah id def be /in for chaco death if it wasnt for his claim

my wagoners should tell me if theyre going to move or not

See first paragraph.

I may be tunneling but I simply can't let jumpy wagonning pre-deadline in what looked to be an effort to save JF from getting force-lynched slide in good conscience without thorough explanation.

 

[Chaco]

@Everyone tunneling my "connections" to Jungle:

First off, you need to look at your "glaringly obvious" connections a bit closer. What side is buddying? Are both buddying? If not, then why did I (you) draw such connections?

An extremely common scum tactic is buddying to do what you are doing right now, tunneling on me. You think since he buddied me that I am scum as well. No, not how it works. That's novice mistakes. Not to be rude, but it's the simple truth.

Now, onto ...crap lost my train of thought...uhmm...oh yeah, Stunner. A stunner is most likely not a roleblocker. And Xonar, you gained some scum points for that comment. Why would a pro-town "roleblocker" block a cop? Answer me that. Honestly, that makes zero sense.

Also, a stunner is most likely not a roleblocker, but more than likely gives post restricitions. I'd say none of these went through, maybe, since kills have priority in night actions. Although, blocks go before kills, then the more extraneous actions.

And then again, Xonar gains some VI points for making the "doublekill" comment.

Marshy, do not claim yet. The wagon on you shouldn't be to the stage it is right now. I'd rather not out a role this early in the day, unless necessary. I'd rather get the full consensus on players then come back to you. Agree?

Uhm, IGMEOY: Circus. Your play always reeks to me for some reason.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Chaco I def saw the connections. And they bothered me as well, so I agree with Circus about you. Not liking Xonar at the moment.

 

[Chaco]

Chaco I def saw the connections.

In what way? Explain them.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I pointed them out in my post.

 

[Chaco]

Doesn't really make a point.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

hu h?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Now, onto ...crap lost my train of thought...uhmm...oh yeah, Stunner. A stunner is most likely not a roleblocker. And Xonar, you gained some scum points for that comment. Why would a pro-town "roleblocker" block a cop? Answer me that. Honestly, that makes zero sense.

That's the whole point, it's kinda convenient for you to get roleblocked on your first night, meaning you get no results and can't prove that you are a cop. You used your cop status to avoid a lynch, admit it.
Why would the mafia kill Gheb and not just you if you were a cop? I bet they realized exactly this.
You said you were a cop to avoid a lynch, and you're probably something that WANTS to get NK'd, but don't go in on that comment, we'll keep that on the down-low.

 

[CT Chia]

Or since he had claimed cop the mafia wanted to screw him over and blocked him with a mafia roleblocker pretty much just so town lynches him today.

Just a thought.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Or since he had claimed cop the mafia wanted to screw him over and blocked him with a mafia roleblocker pretty much just so town lynches him today.

Just a thought.

Possible. I'm not saying that what I say is true, but it just seems a little convenient.

'seems'

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

It makes sense for the mafia not to kill a claimed cop at night if they have a roleblocker. If a cop is the only claimed PR, more than likely if a doctor exists, that un-counterclaimed cop is going to be protected. Any mafia can see that coming. So what do you do? You prevent the cop from getting any info, basically reducing him to vanilla status, and still get an NK by just killing someone else. Render the cop useless at the expense of keeping a more or less confirmed townie alive, and at the same time, be able to shoot around under you kill protective roles and then polish the cop off when he's a safe NK choice.

This isn't rocket science people. It's day two. If people are seriously thinking that Chaco's claim was a gambit and the night activity is a mafia set up, you're WAYYYY over thinking the situation.

Anyway, still waiting to here from Marshy whether that be thorough explanation or a claim. Until then my vote stays.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

lol look at me misspell "hear" as "here" when I say "this isn't rocket science" two lines up. I shouldn't really be talking down now should I? Whoops. =P

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Why are you assuming they have a roleblocker? There's no reason to do that.

Why don't you assume they have a hitman/ninja too then, and they can just say /care for doc, let's NK Chaco! The chances are the same.

But I guess I'm overthinking this, I'll rest this case.

 

[CT Chia]

Chaco claimed Cop
Cop got no info and said he was roleblocked
Town roleblocker wouldnt roleblock town cop

Either there's a mafia roleblocker or Chaco is scum

 

[Kirbyoshi]

People voting for Marshy are reaching, grasping for straws, and just plain dumb.
@Everyone voting for him: Could you please tell me which one you are, so I know who's scum?

RAWR!!!: Chibo
Basically things that have already been stated.

Also, I'm LA for the next couple days while we get DSL at my house.

Does ANYONE know what shellshockers and stunners are?

Thinking the Xiivi kill was a vig, and scum killed Gheb for the restriction.

Random thoughts from Kirb!

 

[#HBC | Mac]

why do we feel the need to state the obvious

 

[#HBC | Mac]

lol shut up kirb, we can vote marshy if we feel like.

but hmmm.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

why do we feel the need to state the obvious

What, in your opinion, is obvious?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yu ninjad me

 

[CT Chia]

Does ANYONE know what shellshockers and stunners are?

Basically things that have already been stated

*sigh* hypocritical thoughts at their finest