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Mog for brawl(please close)NEW MOG THREAD!!!
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Smash Champion
What does that have to do with what I said at all? Most people think of FFVII when they think of FF. I didn't say Cloud is a shoe-in. He has a snowball's chance in Hell, but he would be the best representative for FF outside of like a Chocobo.
DarkVision
Smash Journeyman
Who the hell said they have to have history with Nintendo though?
What's Snake's real history with Nintendo?
Its real funny to see Geno fans bash the importance of having a history with Nintendo when half their argument for Geno being in revolves around his "impact" on subsequent Mario RPGs.
When we bring up Mog's history with Nintendo, its brushed off as a non-factor.
DarkVision
Smash Journeyman
That's because he's a Mario character, while Mog isn't
Don't you have a real arguement BTW instead of bringing up something completely irrelivent?
Elysium
Smash Lord
Can't believe i'm defending mog....
Anyway, Mog has about as much history as Snake or Geno does. I believe they each saw the light of day through a Nintendo system, correct?
Also Geno is third party, so he isn't really a Mario character...
Snake has VERY little history with nintendo,the only reason hes in is because sakurai was begged.
moogles have ALOT of history with nintendo(they have apeard on every console except the 64) which means they have a good chance in brawl.
Btw history DOES matter.
DarkVision
Smash Journeyman
Yes, he really is a Mario character.
That's still, irrelivent
That is just an assumption
Super_alex2
Smash Journeyman
. . . . . . . are you serious? there is a "mog for Brawl" thread?!? HE HAS NO CHANCE OF GETTING IN. DUHN.
Geno is still an SE character and this is not irrelevant in the least. Its the truth you don't wan't to face, because you know full well that SE could have used Geno outside of the Mario universe context and that he doesn't belong to Nintendo.
DarkVision
Smash Journeyman
That's still irrelivent to the arguements against Mog
Bashing on another character. WOw, pathetic.
Elysium
Smash Lord
If he was a "Mario" Character, he would be owned by the people that own the "Mario" Characters. But thats for the Geno thread.
I never knew that saying Geno was owned by SE was character bashing. Grasp at straws much?
blayde_axel
Smash Master
History? Appearing on a game doesn't make someone have history with a company, especially if the character isn't what sells the game.
History would equate to a character (or franchise) having an impact on the company. Mario has history with Nintendo. Sonic has a history with Nintendo. The Final Fantasy FRANCHISE has history with Nintendo. Not Moogles themselves.
By the way, aren't you supposed to be defending Mog, not Moogles? Because defending Moogles doesn't equal defending Mog.
Also, according to this logic, Cid has an equal chance of getting in. Along with Chocobos and Megaman. MEGAMAN FTW!
DarkVision
Smash Journeyman
Wow, do you even know how to argue a relevant point?
I didn't know this was the Geno thread. The title is misleading
you sir,are trying as hard as you possibly can to dodge having to truly reply by flaming the poster.
next time,REPLY!
Loooooni
Smash Ace
Wow Krystal learn how to argue for your character instead of bashing people that like better characters than the ones you like....
Fun fact: Mog actually helped sell the game. Do I have to bring that commerical up again?
Oh the franchise has a history with Nintendo. Thats great and of course Mog was a part of that history along with his Moogle friends. Its clear that any character that has appeared on a Nintendo system has had at least SOME history with Nintendo. Mario and Sonic have history with Nintendo on an epic scale. Mog just happens to have history on a smaller scale.
I guess its alright to slap a "Chocobo" label across several different versions of the character that span over several systems and several games, but when it comes to Mog, its not phair to lump him in with his Moogle brethren. Mog resembles those Moogles and he is the mightiest Moogle of them all. If people don't like the fact that Mog is a part of a species that appears time and time again in FF games, then tough beans. =o)By the way, aren't you supposed to be defending Mog, not Moogles? Because defending Moogles doesn't equal defending Mog.
Opinions passed off as fact FTL.
BTW, never bashed Geno. I said he belonged to SE (Fact). =o)
Come to think of it, I never bashed you Geno fans either. All I did was expose an inconsistency between how you view Mog and how you view Geno.
DarkVision
Smash Journeyman
1) I have not flamed once
2) No one countered my point, but started to attack Geno instead
3) I don't have to defend Geno, especially against Mog supporters. This is NOT the Geno thread
vesperview
Smash Hero
I love how all arguments with Krystal turn into Geno arguments, it is usually her last method when she can't argue something.
Anyway, Geno has three things Mog doesn't have:
1) Relevance in his game.
2) The polls
3) A huge fanbase
So they're not comparable, even if they belong to the same company.
Anyway, Geno has three things Mog doesn't have:
1) Relevance in his game.
2) The polls
3) A huge fanbase
So they're not comparable, even if they belong to the same company.
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Maybe you shouldn't rely on other people to do the arguing for you...
I dont have a last method. I call inconsistencies and hypocrisy as I see it. If it involves bringing up Geno, then thats fine by me.
Granted. Geno has more relevance to the story of his game than Mog does to his.
You mean the list of suggestions that Sakurai hand picked out of God knows how many?
If Geno has a huge fanbase like you claim, then how come he got beat out by a goomba in the melee polls? He tied with Mallow in that poll I believe. Mog is part of a well known game that has spawned several remakes and is more recognizable than Geno. Even if you take away Mog's FFVI credentials you are still left with a creature many FF fans will immediately recognize as a Moogle.
Both are not the leads of their games, both belong to SE, both have only had notable roles in their first games, but the difference here is that Mog's game was not as obscure as SMRPG. There are more people who know about FFVI than those that do about SMRPG. It also helps when FFVI is normally considered one of the greatest RPGs of all time and made a HUGE splash when it came out on the SNES. FFVI was no joke. =o)
vesperview
Smash Hero
I mean the list of suggestions in which Mog is nowhere to be found.
The polls have nothing to do with the popularity of a character and I don't see where this Geno comparison is going.
And that does what for Mog? You're using the game's impact to support the game's most irrelevant character, why don't you just accept that Mog is far from being the first choice for an SE rep?
Wu Tang Gang
Smash Ace
Why the hell are you bringing up Geno for?
Geno was of utter importance. His technique of star collecting influenced the very premise of games to collect stars, like the Shine Sprites, Power Stars, etc. He must of been important, because that ******* tied Ridley, Ike, and other well known icons at 4 votes. Even more, is that Geno was written about in Sakurai's Journal, 4 times.
Mog is like the singular Toad, Kinipio (pronounced like Pinocchio?), that's the main representative of their obscure race, like Moogles and Toads.
Toad is of no importance to any game. Super Mario Bros. 2, all he was, was a playable side character, so don't try to bring him up.
Don't you dare bring up anything negative and random out of nowhere about Geno. Besides, you comparing Geno to Mog is ridiculous. He should commit Geno-Cide on Moogles.
The same goes for Sonic there.
Ok, why did you bring up the polls then?
Mkay, first off Mog is not the most irrelevant character. Umaro is. People base who Sakurai looks at off of popularity. Something Mog doesn't lack. The games impact is only rivaled by its popularity. It was a hit back then and its a hit now. A hit which Mog happens to be a part of and as such, a game that has showcased Mog to more people than Geno.
His technique of star collecting? You mean his backstory influenced the star collecting premise of future Mario games.
Mog is like the singular Toad? You are underselling Mog's historical relevance to FF just like you are underselling Toad's importance to the Mario series (a guy who did extremely well in the melee polls) and who is considered a major character outside of the Mario games. Cartoons, comics, merchandise, etc. You know what? Toad is in the game right now even if he is a Peach move.
Yeah, I totally just brought Toad up. Listen, even in SMB 2, Toad was as much of a "side" character as Luigi or Peach.
Don't I dare bring up facts? I think I will and if you don't like it, then too bad. Facts aren't always going to be in favor of the characters you support and thats just something you will have to deal with. I like the "Geno-Cide" comment as well. Yes, all Moogles should totally be wiped out just because a Geno fan can't face the music.
blayde_axel
Smash Master
Thank you! God, I was trying to figure out a good comparison.
...And this game also showcased many other characters (12, not including Umaro) that are more qualified than Mog. Like, you know... Terra, Locke, Sabin, Celes, and Cyan, just to name a few.
Wu Tang Gang
Smash Ace
Then he'd say nothing but kupo all over the place. All he does is echo, say kupo, say get on topic, or falsely accuses people of trolling or flaming. Why didn't he stay banned?
Also, Chocobo outprioritizes Mog in everything. Chocobo boasts his own FF spin off series, appearing in every FF game to date except FF1, and he was required to do a task in each ame he was in. Mog was just an optional character in some FF game, and mad some insignificant cameos in others.
vesperview
Smash Hero
So? Mog is not the most requested third party lol.
Because it shows that Sakurai has shown interest in that character, so far there's not even a hint at a Final Fantasy character in Brawl, let alone Mog.
You seem to be avoiding the fact that Mog is not the most popular character in the game and you're contradicting yourself, wasn't Mog supposed to be representing the whole species throughout the series? Now you're just using his irrelevant role as a merit, if they were going for FFVI impact to choose a character, Mog wouldn't be the first choice and you know it.
blayde_axel
Smash Master
Platnum. Seriously. Shut the hell up. Either back up the character that you oh-so dear want in Brawl or we'll (mainly Vesper) continue to rip your little Mog to shreds.
Okay? You need a head start to think of something? Okay. You got it. Now... think.
rip mog to shreads? Wont happen.
blayde_axel
Smash Master
DID happen.
Anyway, at least give some kind of rebuttal beside either
A: ) Saying KUPO, going on a tirade, and pressing enter 9 times
B: ) Letting Krystal do all the dirty work for you.
You made the thread. Show some fighting spirit.
Anyone will tell you that if someone claims that X character was the most requested, there is likely to be concrete numerical evidence (Full Poll Results!)
That said, what makes you think Mog didn't get suggestions since that list only shows a select number of characters out of many more that were suggested?
Explain Chocobo's appearance on the list then.
I only went as far to say that Mog was highly recognizable since he was not only part of a very popular game, but a reoccuring race. You just told me he is not the most popular character in the game and I want to know just who that character is. Once you do that I would like to see concrete evidence to back that claim.
I am using his recognizability as a merit as both a FFVI character and a Moogle. You are trying to shove storyline relevance into the equation when its clear I never made that the focal point of my arguments for Mog being in Brawl. If they were going for FFVI impact, I have no Earthly idea who they would choose, but I know Sakurai wouldn't just pick a character for the impact they brought to the game.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Why speculate on something we'll never know?
I forgot this was Super Smash Bros Melee.[/sarcasm]
It doesn't take a couple of neurones to know that he isn't the most popular character, that goes to Terra or Kefka, plus, you're the one saying Mog has a fanbase and that he is highly recognizable, yet without proof, from what I see, most people don't a give a crap, you're the only one defending Mog in this thread and don't give me the species crap, a Moogle based only on FFVI is not representing the whole species.
And you know that how?
I have decided to destroy all haters in one post.
Arguments DESTROYED!
1)mog is not major enough.
does he have to be?NO.
2)interview said NO FF chars
1:the interview could be fake.
2:link or it didnt happen!
3:minds can be changed!
3)cloud out prioritieses him.
no he does not! the only time cloud appeard on a nintendo console was a cameo in a relitively unpopular game.(i mean KH COM not the kh series)
4)chocobo is more important than mog.
1:that doesnt matter
2
hocobo could be an AT or part of mogs moveset.3
hocobo is WAY to awkward to be a PC,mog however,isnt.5)Geno>mog for SE rep!
actualy they could both be in!(read the first post).mog=Geno.
how was that?
Try this, Sakurai thinks putting characters in just because of their popularity is boring.
vesperview
Smash Hero
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I have decided to destroy all haters in one post.
Arguments DESTROYED!
1)mog is not major enough.
does he have to be?NO.
2)interview said NO FF chars
1:the interview could be fake.
2:link or it didnt happen!
3:minds can be changed!
3)cloud out prioritieses him.
no he does not! the only time cloud appeard on a nintendo console was a cameo in a relitively unpopular game.(i mean KH COM not the kh series)
4)chocobo is more important than mog.
1:that doesnt matter
2
3
5)Geno>mog for SE rep!
actualy they could both be in!(read the first post).mog=Geno.
how was that?
Hahaha!
Don't make me laugh please, I spilled my drink when I read that.
Biased **** as usual!
And you think that applies to third parties, who are in the game just to make money?Try this, Sakurai thinks putting characters in just because of their popularity is boring.
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