Moderator Mafia - Now known as Loli Kawaii no desu forums, scum wins!

[Jim Morrison]

or should i say

'lying low'

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

On the 8th John made one post and you made zero

On the 9th, John made zero posts and you made 7.

So that puts us at

John - 1
Kantrip - 2
Chibo - 7

You see what I'm getting at right

 

[Jim Morrison]

I wish RR would host only a little bit better.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Yea so stop lying glyph

*zing*

You do understand that was the joke I was already making right

 

[CT Chia]

You do understand that was the joke I was already making right

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

That picture does even make sense in that context

Chibo you're not even very good at this part of the game

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo I want you to talk about why John was not lying low but Kantrip was

 

[Jim Morrison]

Chibo, do you even see a possibility, in any way, that John might not flip town?

 

[CT Chia]

Did I ever say he wasn't?
No. Stop putting words in my mouth.
I said Kantrip was lying low, which is true. I did not comment on anyone else.
And it's a bit more of a hazard for Kantrip to lay low then pop out with an execute day command, ya mean?

--

It's only possible if he is a Godfather or if there is a redirector. Him being a Godfather can basically be written out, since no GF in the right mind would ever CC a doctor when he could get a scummy to do it for him. Redirector is a VERY rare role, and the chances of there being one and redirecting me properly on that very night is slim nil.

And the chance of any of these happening to the person that is CC'd with someone right now.

So technically, there are possibilities. The chances are almost impossible though.

 

[Jim Morrison]

doc u shud totally protect chibo so he can use hisp owrs 2nite n find scum 4 us 2moz

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo you should put your vote on John then

Redirector is hardly a rare role especially in DR mafia games

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

On the 8th John made one post and you made zero

On the 9th, John made zero posts and you made 7.

So that puts us at

John - 1
Kantrip - 2
Chibo - 7

You see what I'm getting at right

Chibo

Hey

Chibo

You forgot this post again

 

[CT Chia]

There's nothing to say about it. I'm not trying to debate just activity with you, I'm saying it's troublesome for someone to lay low and come out with a PR like that with basically no discussion on it. I don't even know why you brought my post numbers into it. I left for vacation on Thursday at 5am, and said this. I got here, fell asleep from no sleep the night before, then went to Epcot at night. I'm still on vaca, and will be for like 3 more days. And when not on vaca, I do have a full time job. I don't even know why I'm getting into all this, stop sidetracking the conversation.

I want to hear from Kantrip. Speak about his decision on the action.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Oh but there is so much to say on the subject! What leads you to believe Kantrip is scum for the same actions (actually posting MORE than John)? Because John has a doctor claim? Kantrip just executed John, so he's a PR, shouldn't he be excused for not posting too then?

Chibo the point of it is that you brought up Kantrip not posting much as a point as to why he was scum, but then when the same point is shown to be used against you suddenly its irrelevant. In mafia, we call that backpedaling.

What do you want to hear from Kantrip? There's pretty much nothing more to ask, we know his motives and reasons from the post he made.

 

[CT Chia]

I'm saying it's irrelevant to the case I'm trying to bring up, not that it has no merit at all. You're just trying to shift this back onto John. Waht you're doing I think we call that... strawmanning?

And I'm not saying the activity alone is what's troublesome. It's being less than active then all of a sudden coming up with a ridiculously strong (and commonly anti-town aligned) day power and using it without any discussion of it at all really, then dissapearing again.

How could you possibly defend such actions? That's incredibly anti town play.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo

Chibo Chibo Chibo

Stay golden

 

[T-block]

btw for anyone wondering, he was at firefly's tourney. still interesting that tblock brought this up without him announcing vla anywhere except for in britches n hoes or w.e it's called. it is tblocks region tho, but tblock wasnt at the event

You can find what tournament he's at so quickly, but you had so much trouble finding Gustave's claim? lol

I am subscribed to and regularly check his province's Brawl thread. I had just read that he took second in doubles.

And I'm not saying the activity alone is what's troublesome. It's being less than active then all of a sudden coming up with a ridiculously strong (and commonly anti-town aligned) day power and using it without any discussion of it at all really, then dissapearing again.

How could you possibly defend such actions? That's incredibly anti town play.

Was there any discussion before you used your vote block? Your one-shot vote block?

How could YOU possibly defend such actions? You thought Kantrip was scum?

Kantrip thinks John is scum. He's stated that clearly.

Isn't that enough?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No one has a majority for a lynch. BTW.

People need to use valid vote commands.

 

[T-block]

Lame.

People need to be more active lol.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I can not WAIT for John's flip.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Okay we got T-block, Glyph and me on John, which is 3 votes, we need 5 for a lynch. 3 is more than half of 5 so Kantrip can execute.

All of us, just vote again.

Vote: John2k4

Mod can you please, for gods sake, do a votecount about now :|...

And Chibo, speak up if you voteblocked someone. If we find out with the next votecount that someone was voteblocked, I will buy a ticket to the USA, track you down, and sucker punch you.

 

[Pluvia]

So John and the person we lynch is deas?

 

[Pluvia]

*dea d

 

[Jim Morrison]

-.-

no.
We just vote John, Kantrip executes him when he has 3 votes, and John is dead and we can continue.

 

[Kantrip]

I can't believe John didn't say a single thing. Silence is telling, I guess.

Chibo's reaction was interesting, the way he continued to defend his claim and John after he thought John was dead.

Yes I was at a smash tourney, I apologize for neglecting to announce it. Thanks for informing them, T-block.

I also have a family thing for most of today. Announcing VLA this time.

 

[John2k4]

Umm you can go check the "Oops Ignore this" thread Kantrip, but I kinda woke up less than a half hour ago, and have not read through all the overnight talk yet.

 

[T-block]

I can't believe John didn't say a single thing. Silence is telling, I guess.

Chibo's reaction was interesting, the way he continued to defend his claim and John after he thought John was dead.

Yes I was at a smash tourney, I apologize for neglecting to announce it. Thanks for informing them, T-block.

I also have a family thing for most of today. Announcing VLA this time.

I didn't see much in the way of defense. He seemed more focused on setting up suspicion on you for your execution, which makes sense, since he's pretty much committed to his stance on John with a claimed cop result. Best he can do is try to redirect onto someone else.

I'm having trouble believing Kantrip's action there. If it's true, would not be surprised to see him as scum. He has laid low a lot today, only to come back suddenly and do this without much discussion of it at all.

Plus, he says here that he doesn't necessarily believe it here, so keep that in mind. No comment about John even... just jumps to calling you scum.

Did I ever say he wasn't?
No. Stop putting words in my mouth.
I said Kantrip was lying low, which is true. I did not comment on anyone else.
And it's a bit more of a hazard for Kantrip to lay low then pop out with an execute day command, ya mean?

--

It's only possible if he is a Godfather or if there is a redirector. Him being a Godfather can basically be written out, since no GF in the right mind would ever CC a doctor when he could get a scummy to do it for him. Redirector is a VERY rare role, and the chances of there being one and redirecting me properly on that very night is slim nil.

And the chance of any of these happening to the person that is CC'd with someone right now.

So technically, there are possibilities. The chances are almost impossible though.

This is the only quote I can find where he actually continues to defend John. Again, he's committed to his stance on John - I wouldn't expect any sort of stance switch, if that's what you're getting at.

I'm saying it's irrelevant to the case I'm trying to bring up, not that it has no merit at all. You're just trying to shift this back onto John. Waht you're doing I think we call that... strawmanning?

And I'm not saying the activity alone is what's troublesome. It's being less than active then all of a sudden coming up with a ridiculously strong (and commonly anti-town aligned) day power and using it without any discussion of it at all really, then dissapearing again.

How could you possibly defend such actions? That's incredibly anti town play.

Watch the contradiction again between how he hates your use of your ability and his supposed use of a vote block. I don't think he's sincere about his dislike for the execution.

 

[CT Chia]

Was there any discussion before you used your vote block? Your one-shot vote block?

How could YOU possibly defend such actions? You thought Kantrip was scum?

Kantrip thinks John is scum. He's stated that clearly.

Isn't that enough?

Private actions =/= Public actions

No one has a majority for a lynch. BTW.

People need to use valid vote commands.

Figured.

And Chibo, speak up if you voteblocked someone. If we find out with the next votecount that someone was voteblocked, I will buy a ticket to the USA, track you down, and sucker punch you.

It's one shot, so no. Not to mention you can see the vote count is accurate.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Kantrip put your vote on John next time you're here bro

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Pluvia you may as well hop on too

 

[CT Chia]

Why do you have to go the aggressive route with getting everyone to vote John instead of letting your case do the talking? Are you not confident in it?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo why do you have to find little details to call me out on that have no bearing on anything instead of producing real substance?

I think my case speaks for itself captain 'i use my one shot cop power on a town read just to be really sure'

 

[CT Chia]

Excuse me for the wifom, since I doubt you care looking at some of your posts, but...

Ok in the CC situation, one of you guys are lying, obviously.
Meaning one of you are scum.

I think we can both agree on that so far.

Now if John is scum, so am I, since I would be lying. The only way he could be scum and I town is if he is a Godfather or there is a redirector. I think we can agree the chances of this are so slim that there is either a Godfather that decided to CC the cop or a redirector that happened to change my power to someone else on that specific night are so slim that we can count it out.

So we should be able to agree that if John is scum, I am scum. Still with me?

In a CC situation, the scum is going to be ousted regardless after a death, since when one of them dies, they either flip town or scum. If scum, cool, if town, we know the other is scum.

Prior to my claim, there wasn't much to tie me to John, outside of my defense of him. No difference really than you and Tblock, though it wasn't even on that much of a level.

Since the scum between you and John will be found out, why would I throw myself out there to be confirmed as scum if John could be confirmed as scum. It makes no sense.

Call it WIFOM if you want since it technically is, but it's more logistics and common sense.

If John is scum, then so am I.

So why would I hand myself to the town on a silver platter if I were scum? It makes no sense.

 

[Pluvia]

Fine. I will vote John because:

1. There is just too much against him. There has been far too many last minute revelations in this game for my liking, but the majority want John lynched and the only person who doesn't think he is scum is Chibo, it's just I trust Glyph even less than John but:

2. If John ends up being town then we are lynching Glyph. I don't care if someone point blank says they're scum tomorrow, we're lynching Glyph because I've had enough of his tricks and all these last minute revelations.

Right everyone? If John is town then we're lynching Glyph no matter what anyone else says to try and protect him. All lynching John does is slightly delay the inevitable.

 

[Dooms]

Yeah. The only reason why I'm lynching John over Glyph is because it's at best 4v4, but probably 3v5, the 5 being people that want John lynched. I just have this weird feeling that scum has a secret weapon to pull the win, which is why they're putting one of their members (at least) out in the open so early :/.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

If John flips town I will happily go off to my grave knowing this setup was broken as hell.

Lets see them votes them guys

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo its a really bad idea to mention your post is nothing but WIFOM in the first line of it if you want people to take it seriously in the slightest

 

[CT Chia]

And before you say, well lets lynch John to confirm you, that doesn't make a bit of difference.

The same can be found out if we lynch you instead.

If we lynch you and you turn up town, then John and I are confirmed scum. If we lynch you and you turn up scum, then John and I are confirmed town.

No different than if we lynch John and he flips scum, I am confirmed scum and Glyph town. Or if we lynch John and he flips town, I am confirmed town and Glyph is confirmed scum.

However, when deciding who to lynch - there is backup to John being town, which is my claim. This goes back to my last post about why the hell would a second scum oust themselves like that? Technically WIFOM, but more common sense than anything else.

Then look at everything else like their posting styles today for instance, Glyph and his ridiculously abrasive and aggressive attitude who seemingly can't rely on his case, or John, who has been acting basically opposite.

And on my own terms, this all comes after personally having a scum read on Glyph from the start of the day. Someone who used deceivery to confirm a townie, but proceed to lynch him anyway. And you (Glyph) can say that everyone continued to lynch him, but you were the forerunner in it to not only oust him, but to continue to lynch him.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo when you have something new to say that I haven't debunked like twice already I am totally willing to listen

 

[T-block]

Yes.

If John somehow flips town, this is what needs to happen.

D4, we quicklynch Glyph. When the thread opens, everyone comes in here, places their vote on Glyph, and that's it. No comments on the kill, or anything at all. Just vote Glyph.

D5, we do the same thing, except with No Lynch. No comments on who you think is scum, etc.

It literally has to be D4, glyph, glyph, glyph, glyph, flip, D5, no lynch, no lynch, no lynch, D6. That will leave three people on D6, with one lynch to peg the last mafia member.

The reason for this is that we don't want mafia to know who to kill to sway the final decision.