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[CT Chia]

Fine. I will vote John because:

1. There is just too much against him. There has been far too many last minute revelations in this game for my liking, but the majority want John lynched and the only person who doesn't think he is scum is Chibo, it's just I trust Glyph even less than John but:

2. If John ends up being town then we are lynching Glyph. I don't care if someone point blank says they're scum tomorrow, we're lynching Glyph because I've had enough of his tricks and all these last minute revelations.

Right everyone? If John is town then we're lynching Glyph no matter what anyone else says to try and protect him. All lynching John does is slightly delay the inevitable.

Yeah. The only reason why I'm lynching John over Glyph is because it's at best 4v4, but probably 3v5, the 5 being people that want John lynched. I just have this weird feeling that scum has a secret weapon to pull the win, which is why they're putting one of their members (at least) out in the open so early :/.

The majority doesn't want John dead. Just the loudest members want him dead so it feels like it. If the majority clearly wanted John dead, then he would have been lynched. That's what the majority vote system is all about lol. Don't buy into the loud talker's motions like that constantly clammering for John to be the one killed.

Also, I can't help but feel the same way Joey. Things like the picture posted of the horses riding off into the sunlight being Tblock and Glyph felt far too weird and end-of-gamey. Not to mention they have barely brought up that if John flips town, would be fine with being lynched. They are 100% focused on getting John lynched and nothing else. I feel like they are focusing too much on themselves, not on town as a whole.

 

[T-block]

Epic ninja.

That is, if we see night kills as expected of course. If D4 has 6, D5 has 4 left alive, then that's what we do.

 

[CT Chia]

Until Tblock ninja's me lol

Yes.

If John somehow flips town, this is what needs to happen.

D4, we quicklynch Glyph. When the thread opens, everyone comes in here, places their vote on Glyph, and that's it. No comments on the kill, or anything at all. Just vote Glyph.

D5, we do the same thing, except with No Lynch. No comments on who you think is scum, etc.

It literally has to be D4, glyph, glyph, glyph, glyph, flip, D5, no lynch, no lynch, no lynch, D6. That will leave three people on D6, with one lynch to peg the last mafia member.

The reason for this is that we don't want mafia to know who to kill to sway the final decision.

But why lay out a whole plan?

It makes sense to lynch Glyph first, not John. Why don't we do your exact plan but with John and Glyph switched? This is a sensitive decision since we're dealing with the Doctor here. You're not even considering switching the two even though it keeps your plan the exact same.

And making an entire plan now without discussion, idk feels weird, I feel like we should obviously discuss the whole No Lynch thing first.

Also remember, this is assuming a 2 person scum team. What if there was 3? You never know. This post and plan follows a lot of assumptions, and feels a lot like what Dooms said about his idea of there being a plan.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Where them votes aaaat

If John flips town I'll be the first person to put my vote on me.

Chibo you're an idiot.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Hey Chibo, lets make a deal

If John really is the cop, I'll make any post you want, word for word.

If I really am the cop, you have to make any post I want, word for word.

Fair?

 

[T-block]

Until Tblock ninja's me lol



But why lay out a whole plan?

It makes sense to lynch Glyph first, not John. Why don't we do your exact plan but with John and Glyph switched? This is a sensitive decision since we're dealing with the Doctor here. You're not even considering switching the two even though it keeps your plan the exact same.

And making an entire plan now without discussion, idk feels weird, I feel like we should obviously discuss the whole No Lynch thing first.

Also remember, this is assuming a 2 person scum team. What if there was 3? You never know. This post and plan follows a lot of assumptions, and feels a lot like what Dooms said about his idea of there being a plan.

Because John was a scum read even before the CCs, and John came off much worse in the exchange between the two.

I'm laying it out because it needs to be decided now if we're going to go into the next days with no discussion -_- Discuss the No Lynch thing NOW. We need to agree so that everyone's on the same page. The reasoning is simple. If John flips town, D4 we will lynch Glyph - no doubt there. D5 we will have four people alive with one mafia, assuming night kills happen as expected. Mislynch will leave two alive D6 where we lose, so we might as well No Lynch to have three alive D6, improving our chances of hitting mafia.

If there are 3 scum, then this game is stupid and I don't even care if we lose. This setup was checked by Xiivi, so he knows better than to put 3 scum and an indy SK in an 11-man game.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It is day 3.3

1. John2k4 [4] T-Block, Mr. Wiggles the Worm, DtJ Glyphmoney, Dooms
2. vVv Chibosempai [0]
3. Pluvia [0]
4. Mr. Wiggles the Worm [0]
5. Dooms [0]
6. DtJ Glyphmoney [3] Pluvia, vVv Chibosempai, John2k4,
7. T-Block [0]
8. Kantrip [0]

Not Voting: Kantrip,

Deadline is Dec. 14th 11;59PM CST. It takes 5/8 to lynch.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm all for T-block's plan, though it couldn't matter less since I'm town and the plan won't need to go into effect, and even if I were scum I'd just be getting quicklynched ha

 

[Pluvia]

Ok lets cover everything here:

If John is town we lynch Glyph.

If John is scum we lynch Chibo.

If John is godfather we lynch ???

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'd say still Chibo. The night actions he has claimed have been horrendous enough on their own to merit a lynch.

 

[CT Chia]

What kind of deal is that.

And why would you vote yourself.

Why are you only offering this kind of stuff AFTER I call you out on it.

 

[CT Chia]

It is day 3.3

1. John2k4 [4] T-Block, Mr. Wiggles the Worm, DtJ Glyphmoney, Dooms
2. vVv Chibosempai [0]
3. Pluvia [0]
4. Mr. Wiggles the Worm [0]
5. Dooms [0]
6. DtJ Glyphmoney [3] Pluvia, vVv Chibosempai, John2k4,
7. T-Block [0]
8. Kantrip [0]

Not Voting: Kantrip,

Deadline is Dec. 14th 11;59PM CST. It takes 5/8 to lynch.

See Dooms? If you switch back to Glyph like you were voting earlier, Glyph would have the most votes. The majority isn't for John.

Because John was a scum read even before the CCs, and John came off much worse in the exchange between the two.

I'm laying it out because it needs to be decided now if we're going to go into the next days with no discussion -_- Discuss the No Lynch thing NOW. We need to agree so that everyone's on the same page. The reasoning is simple. If John flips town, D4 we will lynch Glyph - no doubt there. D5 we will have four people alive with one mafia, assuming night kills happen as expected. Mislynch will leave two alive D6 where we lose, so we might as well No Lynch to have three alive D6, improving our chances of hitting mafia.

If there are 3 scum, then this game is stupid and I don't even care if we lose. This setup was checked by Xiivi, so he knows better than to put 3 scum and an indy SK in an 11-man game.

We can discuss No Lynch when we need to do it. We're not at that step now. All that's important is either John or Glyph is lynched now. That's what we should be focused on.

I'd say still Chibo. The night actions he has claimed have been horrendous enough on their own to merit a lynch.

How does him flipping Godfather make me scum? Whatever, you don't even know what you're talking about and it's not what the current discussion should be.

Glyph and Tblock you need to stop trying to deviate from what's important.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

1. Chibo are you afraid to take the deal? I'm just itching for you to accept it, really if you're so confident in John, what do you have to lose? I'm putting my money where my mouth is, lets see if you've got the nuts to do so too.

2. Again, because I know I'm town so I have nothing to lose in saying that.

3. You're still an idiot, and now you're not even big enough to take a simple bet where you should have nothing to lose, right?

 

[T-block]

See Dooms? If you switch back to Glyph like you were voting earlier, Glyph would have the most votes. The majority isn't for John.



We can discuss No Lynch when we need to do it. We're not at that step now. All that's important is either John or Glyph is lynched now. That's what we should be focused on.



How does him flipping Godfather make me scum? Whatever, you don't even know what you're talking about and it's not what the current discussion should be.

Glyph and Tblock you need to stop trying to deviate from what's important.

This IS important right NOW. We can carry on two discussions at once -_-

If we discuss, we give scum information about who to kill.

 

[CT Chia]

If you believe in the plan so much, then you should be 100% fine with swapping you and John in it. Plan would be the exact same.

I personally, I'm still weary of the plan.

I'm not taking that bet because in mafia no one should be putting their words into each other mouths, nor should anyone but a jester ever be voting themselves. That's not how it's played. Not to mention you're only spurting this stuff after I call you out on it.

 

[CT Chia]

This IS important right NOW. We can carry on two discussions at once -_-

If we discuss, we give scum information about who to kill.

Wait so... If we discuss, we give scum info on who to kill...

So we're supposed to discuss? What?

All that is important now is John vs Glyph, nothing else. We don't know what is going to happen over night. We have a full day phase tomorrow to discuss tomorrow's actions. No need to rush it all now.

Stop derailing the conversation.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm not talking in the context of the game. Post game, I get to PM you a post and you have to post it, or vice versa.

And I actually don't know what stuff you're even talking about.

On topic actually, T-block Chibo clearly can't handle talking about more than one thing at a time so for his sake, I guess lets just drop the whole thing.

Oh no wait that would be stupid and a giant hindrance to town.

 

[Pluvia]

Wait I thought John being a godfather would clear Chibo?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Not even a little bit. It would lend more credibility to his play, but still leaves us to wonder why he copped John in the first place (and Chibo, your current reason is garbage. I've explained why like 5 times now, read if you don't remember)

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo accept my bet

 

[T-block]

If you believe in the plan so much, then you should be 100% fine with swapping you and John in it. Plan would be the exact same.

I personally, I'm still weary of the plan.

I'm not taking that bet because in mafia no one should be putting their words into each other mouths, nor should anyone but a jester ever be voting themselves. That's not how it's played. Not to mention you're only spurting this stuff after I call you out on it.

No, because the plan only needs to come into effect if John flips town. The plan doesn't suddenly make it not matter which one we lynch -_-

Wait so... If we discuss, we give scum info on who to kill...

So we're supposed to discuss? What?

All that is important now is John vs Glyph, nothing else. We don't know what is going to happen over night. We have a full day phase tomorrow to discuss tomorrow's actions. No need to rush it all now.

Stop derailing the conversation.

We discuss NOW instead of LATER, because LATER, information is more RELEVANT.

 

[CT Chia]

No, I don't believe it's how the game should be played.

I'm not taking that bet because in mafia no one should be putting their words into each other mouths, nor should anyone but a jester ever be voting themselves. That's not how it's played. Not to mention you're only spurting this stuff after I call you out on it.

If you're so confident, you could die instead of John, since the plan will still 100% work.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo if you'll accept my bet that I'm the doc, I will literally move my vote to myself right now.

 

[Dooms]

Actually

I'm fine with a John lynch.

I think he's a godfather, though.

Does that make any sense?

 

[Dooms]

^^^ that's after rethinking everything, by the way. I forgot that Godfather was an option, remembered glyph saying it, and realized that John is probably just a Godfather.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Still have no idea what it is about Chibo's claim that you can believe.

Like even if you WERE to ignore you had scum reads, why JOHN? Why not someone who had actually done stuff during the game?

Joey tell me your thoughts on Chibo happening to cop John the night before this whole thing started.

 

[T-block]

No, because the plan only needs to come into effect if John flips town. The plan doesn't suddenly make it not matter which one we lynch -_-

No, because the plan only needs to come into effect if John flips town. The plan doesn't suddenly make it not matter which one we lynch -_-

No, because the plan only needs to come into effect if John flips town. The plan doesn't suddenly make it not matter which one we lynch -_-

Quoting and copying because maybe then you might just read it.

I agree though, Glyph. Bets like that are against the spirit of the game. If someone were to approach me with that I would take it and not feel bad about not doing it after.

 

[T-block]

Still have no idea what it is about Chibo's claim that you can believe.

Like even if you WERE to ignore you had scum reads, why JOHN? Why not someone who had actually done stuff during the game?

Joey tell me your thoughts on Chibo happening to cop John the night before this whole thing started.

And, Joey, whether you accept his justification for voteblocking Kantrip with a ONE-SHOT ABILITY.

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo if you'll accept my bet that I'm the doc, I will literally move my vote to myself right now.

I told you I'm not accepting the bet. Stop trying to tempt me into it. Even if it means you voting John, I'm still not doing it. You're ridiculous for wanting to do the deal. Not to mention you shouldn't be voting yourself.

^^^ that's after rethinking everything, by the way. I forgot that Godfather was an option, remembered glyph saying it, and realized that John is probably just a Godfather.

Why would a Godfather (a very strong scum PR) counterclaim a town doctor to basically guarantee his own death within a day, when he could have one of his goons or other scum do the counterclaim instead?

 

[Dooms]

Still have no idea what it is about Chibo's claim that you can believe.

Like even if you WERE to ignore you had scum reads, why JOHN? Why not someone who had actually done stuff during the game?

Joey tell me your thoughts on Chibo happening to cop John the night before this whole thing started.

A lot of people wanted John lynched yesterday, so I can see why Chibo would want him copped, especially if it would prove him as town 100%. It would save us a mislynch, leading to a quicker win and not a loss. Especially since no one was expecting this whole argument.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo you're not accepting the bet because you don't really believe John is the doctor, plain and simple.

Like I'm even giving you the chance to lynch me, and chance you're not going to get otherwise. What more could you ask for? You'd be lynching your super big scum target, AND getting revenge at the same time. You can pretend to take a moral high ground all day, and if you really want to insist on being that way, I'm willing to just do the part where I get to make you post something and you get nothing.

And I really don't get why you think a godfather is such a ridiculously OP role. Any other scum PR would be way more valuable than that.

 

[Dooms]

I told you I'm not accepting the bet. Stop trying to tempt me into it. Even if it means you voting John, I'm still not doing it. You're ridiculous for wanting to do the deal. Not to mention you shouldn't be voting yourself.



Why would a Godfather (a very strong scum PR) counterclaim a town doctor to basically guarantee his own death within a day, when he could have one of his goons or other scum do the counterclaim instead?

Maybe the other role isn't a goon? You have to realize that it's (probably) two scum versus an SK, Doc, JoaT, etc. I'm sure there may be one or two more roles out there. Godfather and goon doesn't sound like a strong scum team. Theres possibly a stronger scum role than godfather basically.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Why would you ever do that over a scum read though Joey? A cop result should ALWAYS be taken with a grain of salt (Soup in Utrick'1 anyone?), but town's #1 priority is finding scum, not protecting townies.

I'd believe copping him if Chibo had a scum read on him, but HE HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR HE HAD A TOWN READ ON JOHN. TOWN. READ. NOT LOOKING FOR SCUM. LOOKING TO SAVE JOHN.

Done.

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo you're not accepting the bet because you don't really believe John is the doctor, plain and simple.

Like I'm even giving you the chance to lynch me, and chance you're not going to get otherwise. What more could you ask for? You'd be lynching your super big scum target, AND getting revenge at the same time. You can pretend to take a moral high ground all day, and if you really want to insist on being that way, I'm willing to just do the part where I get to make you post something and you get nothing.

And I really don't get why you think a godfather is such a ridiculously OP role. Any other scum PR would be way more valuable than that.

I'm going to continue to take the high road and not let you convince me otherwise. It's not how I think the game should be played. I'm not here to make deals.

Lets say if the deal was done and I need to tell you something to say. How would I even tell you? Can't say outside the game. So do I post it here, then you say it? How legitimate is that? Not at all. The deal doesn't even mean anything.

And no one should ever vote themselves except for the Jester, it's not playing to your win condition.

 

[CT Chia]

Maybe the other role isn't a goon? You have to realize that it's (probably) two scum versus an SK, Doc, JoaT, etc. I'm sure there may be one or two more roles out there. Godfather and goon doesn't sound like a strong scum team. Theres possibly a stronger scum role than godfather basically.

You need to consider the godfather counterclaiming AND that the one shot cop just happened to pick the godfather the one time he wanted to use it on the right night.

The chance of him being godfather is so slim it's basically negligible as I already pointed out.

Why would you ever do that over a scum read though Joey? A cop result should ALWAYS be taken with a grain of salt (Soup in Utrick'1 anyone?), but town's #1 priority is finding scum, not protecting townies.

I'd believe copping him if Chibo had a scum read on him, but HE HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR HE HAD A TOWN READ ON JOHN. TOWN. READ. NOT LOOKING FOR SCUM. LOOKING TO SAVE JOHN.

Done.

Cop read isn't taken with a grain of salt when the person with the cop read is in a counter claim situation where they are guaranteed 50% town or 50% scum.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Chibo I already told you that this bet has nothing to do with the game while its still going.

I'll spell it out for you.


We make the bet now. The conditions are:

-If Glyph truly is the doctor, then Glyph will get to PM anything of his choosing to Chibo. Chibo will be forced to post this upon the ending of the game, word for word (ie no 'man i can't believe I have to do this ****')
-If John truly is the doctor, then Chibo will get to PM anything of his choosing to Glyph. Glyph will be forced to post this upon the ending of the game, word for word (ie no 'man i can't believe I have to do this ****')


Literally, you have NOTHING to lose. And yet, you hesitate.

Also no, cop result should always always always be taken with a grain of salt and you're dumb for even saying that.

Come on Chibo, wouldn't it be nice to make dumb ol' Glyph shut up? What better way to show me than to force me to make a post of your choosing?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

And you not taking the deal really does show quite a bit about your levels of confidence.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Chibo if you'll accept my bet that I'm the doc, I will literally move my vote to myself right now.

Yo can you not be a ****-wit please.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Guus he's not going to take the bet, he already turned down my very gracious offer.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'd be mad enough if you voted yourself, to just hammer you right now.