Event - MLG Anaheim 2014 MLG Raleigh Was A Piece of Cake for M2K?

[niftybird]

Do not be rude to people you do not know!

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Do us a favor and leave the community you so hate.

Seriously, 3 big paragraphs of mostly insults coming a from a guy who has never been to an offline tournament in his life (hasn't even TRIED).

People, stop letting him get away with this ****.

You know, if you decide to play Halo with only the very weakest pistol while your opponent has various machine guns, shotguns, and a rocket launcher (each of which you could've chosen from, I might add), good for you if you win. You have proven that you are not only better than your opponents, but you are better than them by an absolutely ridiculous margin. But to expect sympathy when you lose just because you purposefully handicapped yourself?

And you know, me getting away with telling the truth is better than a top player getting away with flat-out anticompetitiveness. Much better. When I come to a thread and see "smash directors", experienced members of the community, and top players bemoaning how this one guy won by abusing a "cheap" strategy (when the correct thing to bemoan is that his opponent was stupid enough to let him), and nobody else is saying, "Hang on guys, it was Chuee's fault that he chose lucas and got nailed by a grab release infinite!" Or, to go back to my analogy, "Hang on guys, it was HalodudeX's fault that he decided not to grab the rocket launcher but instead tried to fight a long distance fight with a pistol against a guy with an SMG!" It makes my blood boil, and it makes me wonder where the community will be when I start actually joining tournaments.

Is that smashfest I'm going to in October going to have a rule "no safe dair camping with MK, no regrabbing after a grab without hitting someone or being hit,"? Is the first national I go to (perhaps Brawl in Berlin 2) gonna have rules like "no regrabbing the ledge without hitting someone or being hit, no shooting a projectile without hitting your opponent with a melee attack between shots?" Are they going to ban everyone except ganon to ensure 50-50 matchups? I care about this **** because I am slowly but surely becoming a more active part of the community and I don't want to see the game devolve into the pathetic scapegoat that Street Fighter players mock. And it looks like, if the community listens to what it's telling each other, that's the way it's going.



I'm merely trying to educate you guys. I'm not as stupid as ad hominem implies. Is there anyone here who disagrees that the 80-20 or worse matchups in the cheese vs. Chuee games and cheese vs. Will games were not Cheese's fault, but rather his opponent's, for openly maining a character who has horrendously bad matchups? To make this more clear, I'm saying that once Cheese guesses (correctly) that Will is going DK and Chuee is going Lucas (he can only guess; if chuee had gone DDD in the double blind thinking that Cheese would've gone DK, then Cheese would've been ****ed; similarly for Will choosing Falco/another DDD counter instead), he sees, competitively, several viable options, one of which is clearly miles better than all the others. Is it his fault that he capitalizes on this? After all, it's his opponent's fault that they left these options open to them. They could've chosen a character that doesn't have a brutal hard counter matchup. But they did not, leaving him open. It's like when you have the choice between easily and safely gimping your opponent, and not doing so. One option is obviously better than the other, are you cheap for choosing the best option?

 

[BBQTV]

I seriously stopped paying attention to these MLG events after Orlando. It was obvious M2K was going to win the rest. I couldn't give a **** about 2nd, 3rd, etc.

this is true

 

[[TSON]]

You're playing an imbalanced game that requires silly rules like this, BPC. We are all playing because we have drive to play this imbalanced game, it's part of the series that we so love. We will always have silly rules, and if Super Street Fighter players mock us for it, so be it. The fact that you continue to whine and bash anyone who opposes your opinion and spit in the face of the whole community because you don't agree with how we handle things is ridiculous. If we're so stupid, then why are you even trying to become a part of the community?

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Lee Martin would have prob lost another 2-0 to me again if I didn't get dq'ed or Atomsk or ADHD, Lee side of the bracket got lucky. Oh well grats to em all, at DC we'll see.

What wrong with you are you feeling a little insecure now that lee out placed you twice? we all know its m2k > brood > you > lee don't sweat it.

Also how many times have you played lee since your bragging about this perfect score, once in 08 and twice in 2010? I'm just curious about the number i used to keep track with you and m2k but you guys played way to often.

 

[4Biddin]

lee martin is an amazing player what r u talking about. he knows his mk cant beat m2ks but no one can. Lee would have still made it that far without the dqs mah dude.

I don't care how good he is thats a loser mind set. No one remembers second place He shouldn't of even participated if he was going to go into finals KNOWING he was going to lose.WTF?

 

[metalreflectslime]

Cheese

Cheese more often than not doesn't outskill people.

When he sees a lucas, he doesn't harden his resolve. He goes DK because he knows the inifinite. When he sees a DK, he goes DDD, because he knows the infinite. He mains cheap bull****, and that gets under people's skin.

Not to mention he's a douchebag not only about the game but in real life. Thats why people don't like cheese.

Next time anyone plays a match with Cheese, they should ask a ref to stand behind them the whole set before double blinds are used. This way if he denies his opponent the right to double blind or tries to use an infinite in a match, the ref will just DQ him.

EAZY.

 

[Pierce7d]

I don't care how good he is thats a loser mind set. No one remembers second place He shouldn't of even participated if he was going to go into finals KNOWING he was going to lose.WTF?

That makes perfect sense. Why would you enter and win $1500 instead of not entering and winning nothing

Instead, we should have tournaments that only M2k wins, and just give him all $7000, because the tournament is only about 1 person, right?

 

[BBQTV]

yeah that post did seem sily

 

[Cloud9157]

Not to d ride Larry, but RC isn't exactly Falco's best stage. Nick definitely had a fighting chance there.

If only Brood actually stayed another 3 weeks, he woulda wrecked M2K fo sho. /sarcasm

 

[BBQTV]

he would have to get though florida players first, which i highly doubt he could

 

[Lee Martin]

I don't care how good he is thats a loser mind set. No one remembers second place He shouldn't of even participated if he was going to go into finals KNOWING he was going to lose.WTF?

Your ********. I wasn't playing at the level to beat m2k at that time. It's as simple as that.

 

[Jem.]

I did the same thing to Lee Martin at Columbus. I knew I wasn't at his level, so I CP'd pictochat hoping i'd get some help

I didn't *****

 

[Prawn]

lee martin is a cutie

 

[Krystedez]

That makes perfect sense. Why would you enter and win $1500 instead of not entering and winning nothing

Instead, we should have tournaments that only M2k wins, and just give him all $7000, because the tournament is only about 1 person, right?

I think the point 4B was making was that he wasn't in the mindset to win, or at most just flat out giving up against M2K.

For participation not so much for the event but for the first place, maybe Lee shouldn't have even bothered playing for 1st if his mindset was in the "I'm not even trying" mode instead of the "twitching and breathing for air" mode. Not so much "participating" in the event altogether. I think you took that too literal.

Keep in mind, that if Lee Martin was honestly trying his heart out and those last two games with TL or GW or whatever happened then kudos to him. I'm just throwing some logic into the this, because I kind of agree... Is it nonsense to personally feel like players should play their best, no matter what?

Competitive mindsets are really a mind!@#$ for players and I'd hate to see championship matches filled with that. (just my opinion)...

 

[Enzo]

I always LOL when BPC gets flamed and just omits posting on the thread he just got flamed on

 

[4Biddin]

That makes perfect sense. Why would you enter and win $1500 instead of not entering and winning nothing

Instead, we should have tournaments that only M2k wins, and just give him all $7000, because the tournament is only about 1 person, right?

So lets say I meets him in the second round of the bracket should I give up since im not on M2K's level ? The point is is that no one wants to see someone give up in a FINALS match who does that ??? You must be pretty **** good to make it that far at least put up a good show/fight

Your ********. I wasn't playing at the level to beat m2k at that time. It's as simple as that.

How do you know? Did you try?

 

[AvaricePanda]

stuff

like wtf. There's a difference between what you were trying to say (that counterpicking people is fine and not cheap) and what you actually said (this entire community is scrubs you all suck top players are scrubs I know the truth).

Crash nor anyone said anything about it being wrong for somebody to counterpick to an 8:2 match-up where you know an infinite and pretty much win—he said people didn't like him for it. It's not "skillful" for me to switch to D3 if I'm playing against a DK player and the infinite's allowed at my tournament; it's just a smart decision, but the match-up itself requires much less effort on my part. BUT NO ONE EVEN SAID THAT WAS WRONG, he just said people didn't like him for it, WHICH HAPPENS IN EVERY COMPETITIVE GAME EVER. A lot of people just "didn't like" some of the easier match-ups that Nu had in BBCT and Sagat had in regular SFIV just because they didn't like them, and that's perfectly okay.

Completely ignoring the fact that Sirlin's statements on fighting games are still opinion and people are still allowed to disagree with him, your post was completely out of line. Seriously calm down and stop flaming the entire community because you misinterpreted what one person said. It's ridiculous.

back on topic, 4Biddin I don't think you can say what Lee Martin was feeling when he played M2K, so I don't think you can say what he "should" have done. Granted I personally agree that one should try their hardest if they're in GF or anywhere (I don't know what actually happened though lol), but it's completely Lee's decision. Your first post was kinda silly too—tons of people remember 2nd to 8th or lower place, especially considering M2K winning is almost taken for granted now.

 

[CR4SH]

LOL, im still getting quoted. I guess I hit the truth pretty hard.

Play to win if you want to win, cool. Just don't expect everyone to respect you. People have differences of opinion and thats ok. My opinion is that cheese is a ***** who has to lean on bull**** to win.

Its about respect for the other player. It's not required, it's just something you get judged on. And if you can't handle that, don't enter, or don't CP like a *****.

Also LOL @ some never participated in a tournament scrub, nuthugging sirlin and trying to give me ****. Lol.

 

[mikeHAZE]

i think it should be noted and corrected that cheese won with IC's vs will first match, opposed to your post where you said if someone goes DK he goes dedede.


he went dedede on wills counter pick

 

[demonictoonlink]

(not at above poster)

I think that, before this thread continues, it needs to be said that the word "your" shows possession. A sample would be, "Your pocket MK beat my Toon Link." If you want to say "you are" in a condensed fashion, simply remove the A and combine the words with the use of an apostrophe. When you're done, the results should look like, "you're", as in, "You're a legitimate poster BPC. loljk"

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

I left this thread a while back... Sorry for the outburst. Not sure if it was the vodka or my rage at something else that caused it.

 

[Luigi player]

While BPC could've been nicer, he does say the truth. That would be the "ideal" competitive person. It's just that most people don't do it (probably mostly, because they just stick to their main (because they like him more/feel safer/don't want to be that "gay"?)).

 

[BBQTV]

picking a character isn't an automatic win

 

[ph00tbag]

Well Nick Riddle has already beaten Ally and Tyrant. Beating DEHF wasn't an upset at all imo.

Considering how difficult the match-up is, I'd say it's an upset.

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

hahaha

I love brawl

people flaming BPC for telling the truth

looks like the srubs just can't handle it

 

[TP]

People don't flame BPC for what he says, just for how he says it. Being polite matters.

 

[Praxis]

Do us a favor and leave the community you so hate.

Seriously, 3 big paragraphs of mostly insults coming a from a guy who has never been to an offline tournament in his life (hasn't even TRIED).

People, stop letting him get away with this ****.

You're bad.

Cheese more often than not doesn't outskill people.

When he sees a lucas, he doesn't harden his resolve. He goes DK because he knows the inifinite. When he sees a DK, he goes DDD, because he knows the infinite. He mains cheap bull****, and that gets under people's skin.

Not to mention he's a douchebag not only about the game but in real life. Thats why people don't like cheese.

You're dumb.

WTF are you talking about? Look, I'm sorry, but this logic is not only ******** but it is ****ing scrubby. "He didn't outskill his opponent because his opponent chose a terrible limited character and he made the smart choice of forcing them to play their 80-20 matchups out"? Well maybe he didn't. It doesn't take much skill But I'll tell you what. It's not cheese's fault. It's as much his fault as it is M2K's fault that he goes MK against MikeHaze when both of MikeHaze's mains suck *** against MK; it's as much his fault as it is anyone who mains a good character's when they win against a ganondorf main. His opponents gave him very solid opportunities to just flat-out win the set for free, and he did the only competitive option. It's like berating M2K for punishing reads on a patterned MK noob who spams tornado, dsmash, and shuttle loop. No, he was not being cheap. His opponent practically handed him the win on a silver platter.

What is wrong with you guys? There's nothing cheap about choosing your character wisely. In fact, in an ideal world, everyone would have a pocket DDD to deal with DKs, everyone would have a pocket Pikachu to deal with foxes, et cetera. Your opponent chose a character who is not viable, or rather has a single matchup so bad that it invalidates them, and you're NOT willing to punish them with that?

****ing brawl community man. God dammit. Every ****ing one of you pathetic scrubs. I don't feel sorry for Will at all. He chose DK, knowing full well that if his opponent chose DDD, it would be a ridiculously easy win. I don't feel remotely sorry for Chuee. He knew both the risks involved with playing Lucas (similar to DK) and that Lucas is a bad limited character. I don't feel sorry for random ganon main X, who may be the most skilled brawler in the world but limits his ability to actually play the game by choosing a character who is absolutely terrible. I have no sympathy for those who choose BAD characters for whatever reason; it's their own fault when they run into a matchup like DDD-DK, DK-Lucas, Sheik/ICs/Oli/DDD-Ganon.

I like you.

 

[ch33s3]

I'm just going to go ahead and LOL at some of these accusations. I went DDD on Will's CP knowing my ICs could not win on Delfino, so I tried (successfully, though not quite in the way I planned o.O) to pull something out of my *** (giant penguins hurt coming out of the ***, btw) and get a win, knowing Will ONLY plays DK competitively. I went DK knowing Chueee was a Ness/Lucas player (study your opponents, folks!) and had he requested double blind, not only would I have had no choice but to oblige him, I would've laughed and still gone DK. If someone is going to leave themselves blatantly open to being counterpicked, I'm going to do it if I feel it gives me a better chance than using one of my "mains". This is called, and this might be shocking to a lot of you, PLAYING TO WIN. For the few minutes of the set, the person I'm playing against is my worst enemy and my only goal is to beat them. Once the set's over, they can be my best friend again.

Also, BPC, while I think SOME of your opinions are a bit too originalist (no, PS2 should NOT be legal), at least you understand competitive gaming at it's core, and for that, kudos.

 

[Flayl]

Oh hey it's Praxis, a peach player that's in the BBR because

 

[Praxis]

Oh hey it's Praxis, a peach player that's in the BBR because

Washington Represent, Yo.

Urstillbad.

 

[Praxis]

People don't flame BPC for what he says, just for how he says it. Being polite matters.

 

[CR4SH]

Lol, I don't like you either. Being polite matters.

People need to get their heads out of their ***** and realize that this is a game.

 

[Meru.]

Oh, please.

Nothing is free in this world. In order to cp hard-counters/dq people to win his battles for him, Cheese had to pay a price: popularity and honor. Cheese decided to pay that price.

This is the same in not only fighting games, but in every single game. Doing it the cheap way might be easier sometimes, but really, don't expect people to like you in that case, regardless if it's 'allowed' or not.

 

[Limeee]

WTF are you talking about? Look, I'm sorry, but this logic is not only ******** but it is ****ing scrubby. "He didn't outskill his opponent because his opponent chose a terrible limited character and he made the smart choice of forcing them to play their 80-20 matchups out"? Well maybe he didn't. It doesn't take much skill But I'll tell you what. It's not cheese's fault. It's as much his fault as it is M2K's fault that he goes MK against MikeHaze when both of MikeHaze's mains suck *** against MK; it's as much his fault as it is anyone who mains a good character's when they win against a ganondorf main. His opponents gave him very solid opportunities to just flat-out win the set for free, and he did the only competitive option. It's like berating M2K for punishing reads on a patterned MK noob who spams tornado, dsmash, and shuttle loop. No, he was not being cheap. His opponent practically handed him the win on a silver platter.

What is wrong with you guys? There's nothing cheap about choosing your character wisely. In fact, in an ideal world, everyone would have a pocket DDD to deal with DKs, everyone would have a pocket Pikachu to deal with foxes, et cetera. Your opponent chose a character who is not viable, or rather has a single matchup so bad that it invalidates them, and you're NOT willing to punish them with that?

****ing brawl community man. God dammit. Every ****ing one of you pathetic scrubs. I don't feel sorry for Will at all. He chose DK, knowing full well that if his opponent chose DDD, it would be a ridiculously easy win. I don't feel remotely sorry for Chuee. He knew both the risks involved with playing Lucas (similar to DK) and that Lucas is a bad limited character. I don't feel sorry for random ganon main X, who may be the most skilled brawler in the world but limits his ability to actually play the game by choosing a character who is absolutely terrible. I have no sympathy for those who choose BAD characters for whatever reason; it's their own fault when they run into a matchup like DDD-DK, DK-Lucas, Sheik/ICs/Oli/DDD-Ganon.

this was one of the few BPC's post i really respect

anyone who disagreed with this is a mad scrub who doesn't understand competetive philosihpy

 

[Praxis]

 

[Praxis]

this was one of the few BPC's post i really respect

anyone who disagreed with this is a mad scrub who doesn't understand competetive philosihpy

I don't understand competitive philosihpy What's a philosihpy?

 

[vVv Rapture]

Oh, please.

Nothing is free in this world. In order to cp hard-counters/dq people to win his battles for him, Cheese had to pay a price: popularity and honor. Cheese decided to pay that price.

This is the same in not only fighting games, but in every single game. Doing it the cheap way might be easier sometimes, but really, don't expect people to like you in that case, regardless if it's 'allowed' or not.

How is that cheap? He followed the rules and made an intelligent decision to pick a character he was more likely to win with. There was nothing cheap about it.

If that's your definition of cheap, then I can't help you and no one else can, either.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

I'm just going to go ahead and LOL at some of these accusations. I went DDD on Will's CP knowing my ICs could not win on Delfino, so I tried (successfully, though not quite in the way I planned o.O) to pull something out of my *** (giant penguins hurt coming out of the ***, btw) and get a win, knowing Will ONLY plays DK competitively. I went DK knowing Chueee was a Ness/Lucas player (study your opponents, folks!) and had he requested double blind, not only would I have had no choice but to oblige him, I would've laughed and still gone DK. If someone is going to leave themselves blatantly open to being counterpicked, I'm going to do it if I feel it gives me a better chance than using one of my "mains". This is called, and this might be shocking to a lot of you, PLAYING TO WIN. For the few minutes of the set, the person I'm playing against is my worst enemy and my only goal is to beat them. Once the set's over, they can be my best friend again.

Also, BPC, while I think SOME of your opinions are a bit too originalist (no, PS2 should NOT be legal), at least you understand competitive gaming at it's core, and for that, kudos.

Lol PS2 should not only be legal, it should be a starter. ur dumb

This made me lol very hard.

Also I apologized for these posts ages ago, jeez guys let it die.
-DPC

 

[Limeee]

I don't understand competitive philosihpy What's a philosihpy?

if your trying to argue against me, you just failed

if you did it for the lulz, then good job