DustyPumpkin
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1. Palutena is still probably more important to KI than Toad will ever be to Mario. Palutena is more of an actual character that is central to the games, while Toad is basically a generic goon who's also filler. It'd be like adding the Waddle Dee from Retu-*sees sig*, Ah, I guess you'd be cool with that. Also, Rosalina and WFT ARE important in their own ways. Rosalina was a central element of Mario Galaxy, which was not only Nintendo's most critically acclaimed title of the Wii era, but quite possibly ever, and her entire moveset breaths on Galaxy's mechanics, making her the perfect representative of it. WFT, of course, basically represents when Nintendo was finally back on top of the console market after years of middling to poor hardware sales. To say she's not important is like saying "R.O.B is a stupid toy, he's not important, cut him for Goko plz".
2. Most of those series you mentioned there aren't what I'd say "undeserving" of a 2nd character, they just typically don't have any. F-Zero and Animal Crossing are both series that aren't primarily about combat, so having one character on the roster is already, in a way, stretching it as it is, so they're just fine with one character under any circumstances. With Pikmin, it's just that none of the additional Pikmin characters really have anything to offer. In the gameplay of the Pikmin games, they all play exactly the same as Olimar does. It's not even like Luigi who has his own stats (Being floatier and having less traction) that are reflected upon. And no, I don't think the rock and flying pikmin are enough to warrant a full character, especially when the former functions very similarly to that of the purple pikmin. About Punch-Out, the only thing I can actually see probably working is maybe have Doc Louis as like a semi-clone of Little Mac. He's definitely a lot more central to PO!! than someone like King Hippo, being Mac's trainer (He's to LM as Palutena is to Pit, basically), but considering we just got Little Mac and Sakurai is looking for more unique characters, I don't see Doc happening for Smash 4, at least.
I'd like to know your opinion on Star Fox having three characters then, because by that logic, having five games isn't enough for three characters, and it has just that.
But really, should I question the logic of someone who made a support thread for Baby Bowser? http://smashboards.com/threads/talk-about-a-temper-tantrum-baby-bowser-for-smash-4.347996/
Apparently that colour swap is why he exists in the First PlaceIt's not like Pittoo is technically already in Brawl as a Pit color swap anyway![]()
Aye, tis true. The Great Sakurai said it himself, I think.Apparently that colour swap is why he exists in the First Place
Palutena first please then Pittoo
That and the fact that he wanted to add Pit (the cupid/original design) to Smash 64 but was cut due to the fact that the wings were hard to program with the N64's hardware, or that's what I've heard.Oi, this here's the Palutena thread. Isn't there some Pittoo thread somewhere else where this can be discussed? Btw, I love how everyone just calls him Pittoo xD
As for Palutena, the people who keep mentioning that KI is not large enough ... it's important to keep in mind the opening cinematic of the first trailer, in which eight franchises pretty much played the main role: Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, Donkey Kong, and Pokemon. I'm pretty sure in Sakurai's perspective, there are the head honcho Nintendo franchises, even if Kid Icarus only got revived recently. I'd be surprised given the esteem he hold for the series for there not to be a second character. It's akin to Metroid STILL not really having an extra fighter aside from Samus.
It's even more of an offender when the game is literally called Palutena's Mirror.
And then of course there's all the other million reasons.
I think that we can all unanimously agree that if an image gallery is to be made, it should be created by Admiral, no questions.When Lady Palutena gets announced, I call making her image gallery. Callin' dibs right now.
*hisses* I MAKE IT. ME.I think that we can all unanimously agree that if an image gallery is to be made, it should be created by Admiral, no questions.
Even if this is true, demos often obscure information. The Brawl demos at E For All created various rumors of Rosalina and Bowser Jr. Assist Trophies (which turned out to be Gardevoir and Knuckle Joe), while a Japan demo had a supposed Geno trophy found in Subspace. It's very much hearsay.ErenJager (the leaker who stated that he was told that Palutena was an Assist Trophy at a Smash Demo at a DK demo event last weekend) has stated that he has no reason to believe that the guy who told him that Palutena was an Assist Trophy was lying.
Also, it looks like someone else has posted information about said Smash Demo on another forum. It's information that ErenJager has already posted but the fact that this other user has been a regular on the website where he posted this information seems to suggest that he was telling the truth (and therefore, the picture leak is fake and Palutena is indeed an Assist Trophy):
Here's a link to the thread in question: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Bros-Wii-U?p=25530369&viewfull=1#post25530369
The difference between the two is that ErenJager claimed that he played the demo in Toronto (if I recall) and the recent leak claimed that he played his demo in Vancouver. Something still feels a bit fishy with what the two stated.ErenJager (the leaker who stated that he was told that Palutena was an Assist Trophy at a Smash Demo at a DK demo event last weekend) has stated that he has no reason to believe that the guy who told him that Palutena was an Assist Trophy was lying.
Also, it looks like someone else has posted information about said Smash Demo on another forum. It's information that ErenJager has already posted but the fact that this other user has been a regular on the website where he posted this information seems to suggest that he was telling the truth (and therefore, the picture leak is fake and Palutena is indeed an Assist Trophy):
Here's a link to the thread in question: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Bros-Wii-U?p=25530369&viewfull=1#post25530369
The event was being held simultaneously at both locations last weekend.The difference between the two is that ErenJager claimed that he played the demo in Toronto (if I recall) and the recent leak claimed that he played his demo in Vancouver. Something still feels a bit fishy with what the two stated.
"The event"...The event was being held simultaneously at both locations last weekend.
I seriously doubt there was a demo for the game at some random event in Vancouver. The first playable demo is going to be at a major event where the press can cover it. How people fall for these is beyond me.ErenJager (the leaker who stated that he was told that Palutena was an Assist Trophy at a Smash Demo at a DK demo event last weekend) has stated that he has no reason to believe that the guy who told him that Palutena was an Assist Trophy was lying.
Also, it looks like someone else has posted information about said Smash Demo on another forum. It's information that ErenJager has already posted but the fact that this other user has been a regular on the website where he posted this information seems to suggest that he was telling the truth (and therefore, the picture leak is fake and Palutena is indeed an Assist Trophy):
Here's a link to the thread in question: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Bros-Wii-U?p=25530369&viewfull=1#post25530369
Palutena is more suggested than toad is, and Kid Icarus needs more representation as it is the only series in the opening cinematic trailer that doesn't have more than one representative. Toad is in Peaches moveset AND he is just a filler character in the mario series AND he lacks any personality depth. Sakurai doesn't give a **** about how many games a character has been in (ice climbers, G&W, ROB, etc) he cares about a character that would be unique, which palutena is, and you cant argue that as nobody else in smash has her great personality, her light magic, or her staff.My opinion of Star Fox is that I dislike Falco's inclusion, and would've enjoyed having Fox and Wolf/Krystal instead. And that thread was an idea given to me indirectly by Mega Bidoof and I went through with it, not really liking the idea, but it's there. So, thanks for the feedback, I hope none of you were offended, and remember: it's pure speculation. None of us know what the future holds, so I wish all of you good luck with your character.
- I hope you really aren't saying that Palutena is more important than Toad. I understand you're talking about series relevant, but it's easy to be more relevant to a series when it's so small. That's like saying the capital of Zimbabwe is more important than the capital of Pennsylvania, it's just because it's smaller. Rosalina is important, mind you, but not in the since of the series' secondary antagonist(Bowser Jr.), or on of the series' most long-lasting characters(Toad). I wouldn't put money on Mario Galaxy being the most popular Mario game, I'd say Mario Kart Wii, or the original Super Mario Bros. Wii Fit sold well, but that's like saying that we should put Nintendog in. Not enough uniqueness, just a bland character. And no, I wouldn't replace R.O.B. with Goku the Saiyan, but maybe Goku the Monkey.
- F-Zero is deserving of two characters, mostly because of it's importance as one of Nintendo's main series in the 64 and GC days. A classic series, sadly under-repped. It could easily be given a new one, whether it's Goroh, using a fast, samurai type of fighting style, Pico, a character who would be focused on using his shell and blaster, along with being in the army, which could serve as plenty of inspiration. Or Black Shadow, a pseudo-clone of Captain Falcon, freeing Ganondorf of his shackles to get a new moveset. Pikmin does have a good new rep, Drake's Crew. A trio of astronauts, Alph, Brittany and Charlie. Alph would be the all-around member, mixing throwing with hitting, Brittany being good at throwing Pikmin but a horrendous hitter, and Charlie being a good hitter, around the Pikmin-less strength of Link, but an awful thrower. They would only utilize rock and fairy Pikmin, rock being heavy and slow, while fairies are dainty but good at continuing hits. I don't think Punch-Out deserves a new character, that was just an example.
What does light magic do? Summon projectiles? Make a beam? Nothing we haven't seen before, in comparison to, say, Medusa turning enemies into stone, or Magnus summoning tornadoes. I do support the former(not the latter, though), mostly because she has more to work with in terms of "uniqueness", considering she also has a staff, and a transformation, and the ability to summon minions, and the aforementioned stone gaze, and the list goes on. Palutena's merits? Staff and light magic. It pales in comparison, and like I said in point 2(or one, haven't looked at it in a while), Sakurai doesn't always pick the most important characters, but the ones who have more to work with. But in the end, I feel as if a series needs five games before it gets a second rep, much less a third. Star Fox and Earthbound disappointed me, I could've gone without Falco and Lucas. Also, personalities don't translate well into a moveset, maybe taunts, but that's all. Facial expressions and quotes, but it's how the character plays and what they do different that really makes the character. Now, if you wish for a rebuttal, please do. But, and I will reiterate, I have no ill will against you or any of the characters you support. You should, however, take Ashley off of your list.Palutena is more suggested than toad is, and Kid Icarus needs more representation as it is the only series in the opening cinematic trailer that doesn't have more than one representative. Toad is in Peaches moveset AND he is just a filler character in the mario series AND he lacks any personality depth. Sakurai doesn't give a **** about how many games a character has been in (ice climbers, G&W, ROB, etc) he cares about a character that would be unique, which palutena is, and you cant argue that as nobody else in smash has her great personality, her light magic, or her staff.
I'm not impressed.What does light magic do? Summon projectiles? Make a beam? Nothing we haven't seen before, in comparison to, say, Medusa turning enemies into stone, or Magnus summoning tornadoes. I do support the former(not the latter, though), mostly because she has more to work with in terms of "uniqueness", considering she also has a staff, and a transformation, and the ability to summon minions, and the aforementioned stone gaze, and the list goes on. Palutena's merits? Staff and light magic. It pales in comparison, and like I said in point 2(or one, haven't looked at it in a while), Sakurai doesn't always pick the most important characters, but the ones who have more to work with. But in the end, I feel as if a series needs five games before it gets a second rep, much less a third. Star Fox and Earthbound disappointed me, I could've gone without Falco and Lucas. Also, personalities don't translate well into a moveset, maybe taunts, but that's all. Facial expressions and quotes, but it's how the character plays and what they do different that really makes the character. Now, if you wish for a rebuttal, please do. But, and I will reiterate, I have no ill will against you or any of the characters you support. You should, however, take Ashley off of your list.
I don't actually expect Ashley (or especially daisy for that matter) to get in ssb. They are simply there because I like them. I see them being nothing more than assist trophies. I would go on to argue about Palutena, but this is a support thread. If you don't support palutena I don't see why you'd be here.What does light magic do? Summon projectiles? Make a beam? Nothing we haven't seen before, in comparison to, say, Medusa turning enemies into stone, or Magnus summoning tornadoes. I do support the former(not the latter, though), mostly because she has more to work with in terms of "uniqueness", considering she also has a staff, and a transformation, and the ability to summon minions, and the aforementioned stone gaze, and the list goes on. Palutena's merits? Staff and light magic. It pales in comparison, and like I said in point 2(or one, haven't looked at it in a while), Sakurai doesn't always pick the most important characters, but the ones who have more to work with. But in the end, I feel as if a series needs five games before it gets a second rep, much less a third. Star Fox and Earthbound disappointed me, I could've gone without Falco and Lucas. Also, personalities don't translate well into a moveset, maybe taunts, but that's all. Facial expressions and quotes, but it's how the character plays and what they do different that really makes the character. Now, if you wish for a rebuttal, please do. But, and I will reiterate, I have no ill will against you or any of the characters you support. You should, however, take Ashley off of your list.
Share the knowledge and give this thread life after the leak died down, honestly. This place got boring fast.I don't actually expect Ashley (or especially daisy for that matter) to get in ssb. They are simply there because I like them. I see them being nothing more than assist trophies. I would go on to argue about Palutena, but this is a support thread. If you don't support palutena I don't see why you'd be here.