Miracle Of Light - Palutena in SSB4 (Featuring Cereza from Bayonetta-series)

[Hong]

I made it up to Ch20 in Uprising! My hands hurt like hell, but I am getting there, yeah?

Spoilers below

Spoiler

I finally fought Palutena. I may or may not make some revision to my moveset based on what I have seen. I'll finish the game first and think about it.

 

[Mirron]

Did you try changing the controls? It gets easier if it isn't the default. And that is a fun fight, sadly it's hard to be patient and see all the moves.

 

[Pacack]

*pouts*
Thankfully Pit can be resurrected too... With the help of Palutena.

I guess, but it still isn't confirmed that she is a Goddess, although she might have that potential. You know how attached I am to Palutena, so I try my best to make her look great. But in turn, Palutena provides different kinds of powers, some you know of (like the one she gave to Pit), and then there's exclusive ones she's used, like "Caging" and creating rain (shown via anime short). Who knows what other abilities she's been hiding from us?



The thing about Mewtwo is that well.. Mega Evolution forms are temporary, and different gods have different levels of power, so Arceus could be either a greater or lesser god, but we don't know that. Without Mega forms, Mewtwo will still be below Arceus. So unfortunately we can't compare the power of different gods extensively as we wanted to unless they actually had a duel.

For Sonic, FDL, as such with transformations, they're temporary in some sense: Sonic needs the emeralds and the form lasts as long as he has rings. FDL and Star Mario I don't know about. Mewtwo I explained.
For Palutena's case, I know she holds some of her power back as she's the peaceful type. Of course, we've seen a bit more of her power during that Chaos Kin incident, including throwing pieces of islands from Skyworld around in what looked like a giant whirlwind (I think) and creating a super powerful shield that only the Lightning Chariot could pierce through it (when going by the game only). Let's not forget the Glam Blaster during the Hewdraw bit, too. As I said, she's likely to hide even more power that we're not aware of. In other words, the thing about Gods is that they have power naturally without the need to transform like Sonic, and Link does. Ganon... I can't explain him. He's strong and I know it, gets resurrected sometimes.
All in all, Palutena is likely to be stronger than what some take her for, being a natural goddess, who although holds back due to being a peaceful one.

You know this conversation is interesting, but I feel that I have lost. D:

Haha, nah. Everyone loses when facing Ganon.

(For the record, there are multiple pokemon that are considered dieties that Mewtwo rivals in strength. Including, but not limited to, Dialga and Palkia)

Regarding Sonic, his forms are different to Mario. Mario's forms are short use power-ups he finds and loses when he takes a hit. Sonic's are more innate. It's also worth noting that Sonic uses Chaos Control in Sonic Adventure 2 using a FAKE Chaos Emerald created by Tails. It's a complete ***-pull, but it's canon. So if he can do that with a fake emerald, Sonic having just one real emerald on him (which he normally does) gives him the ability to warp across space.

Regarding Rosalina, your technology theory would work if it weren't for two things - Rosalina's storybook, and Smash Bros.
Rosalina's storybook displays the beginnings of the Comet Observatory. It is literally a Luma. Lumas feed on Star Bits, which contain a small bit of energy of Power Stars. So if the Comet Observatory is a Luma, then it being powered by Power Stars is literally feeding it. If the Observatory is too hungry, it won't move, as it is literally a living thing.
As for the other stuff, there is absolutely no reason to believe Rosalina has any medical prowess beyond what a regular mother would have. There is no hospital or R&D lab on the Observatory, and she only ever leaves the Observatory every 100 years to visit her home planet. This completely throws out the technology theory. Her immortality is the result of something beyond anything we can truly comprehend. There may be some clues in some of her dialogue, but there is no concrete way to understand it. We just know she is immortal to some degree.

As for how Smash Bros proves she has power over space, she literally creates miniature galaxies when she connects with her attacks, she has control over gravity, and she can summon a Luma out of thin air (regardless of whether or not she is warping it from another location or creating it from scratch, she is still controlling atoms to achieve this).

Huh, you learn something new every day. I was unaware that Rosalina had that clarification in the storybook.

Please, though, keep in mind that Smash Bros. is not canon. Though, to be fair, Sakurai did have to talk with the Mario team to see if they were okay with it, so it's interesting.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I don't see how Palutena would be a Paladin when she's more likely to be a Cleric/White Mage. They can use shields as well after all, but Palutena fights way more from a range, and has a far stronger command of magic than a Paladin.

I'm going to sidestep the power-level topic though, since it seems needlessly messy.

White mages are more healing magic rather than Light, plus the staff and shield is what a lot of paladins use, and I could see a defensive set up be formed from it, but it is all a matter of opinions, really.

 

[Hong]

Did you try changing the controls? It gets easier if it isn't the default. And that is a fun fight, sadly it's hard to be patient and see all the moves.

Getting rid of as much of the reticle drifting as possible and increasing it to max speed to compensate was a good start.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Haha, nah. Everyone loses when facing Ganon.

(For the record, there are multiple pokemon that are considered dieties that Mewtwo rivals in strength. Including, but not limited to, Dialga and Palkia)


Huh, you learn something new every day. I was unaware that Rosalina had that clarification in the storybook.

Please, though, keep in mind that Smash Bros. is not canon. Though, to be fair, Sakurai did have to talk with the Mario team to see if they were okay with it, so it's interesting.

I'm just gonna stick with me loving Palutena. I feel ashamed for getting onto the topic bout canons. D:
As far as tiers go, I still hope Pit and Palutena (when she makes it in) are around high, but not top. That way, they'll still have weaknesses, but still are great characters, while not being used as much as someone broken... See MK. *imagines Palutena using Glam Blaster on him*

 

[ChikoLad]

Please, though, keep in mind that Smash Bros. is not canon. Though, to be fair, Sakurai did have to talk with the Mario team to see if they were okay with it, so it's interesting.

This is only half true. Yes, certain characters in Smash have power far beyond their actual canon power, such as Villager and Wii Fit Trainer. This is done because Sakurai finds it adds to the game's appeal.

However, when it comes to characters who already have established abilities, they are either exactly in line with their actual abilities (Link would be an example of this - his abilities are pretty much just as they are in his actual games, with the only buff being how how high he can jump on a regular basis, plus being able double jump. Although there are items in the Zelda series that allow Link to jump high and even double jump, he is clearly not using them in Smash, as they would be visible), or are a toned down version of what they actually are capable of (Sonic is a perfect example - he just has tons of natural abilities he doesn't use in Smash. Sakurai only went for the iconic stuff that people know from the Genesis and Dreamcast days).

I feel Rosalina is much like Sonic, and fits into the category of really taking it easy for the sake of Smash. This is obviously partly due to Smash's simple control scheme, as well as for balancing purposes.

And while we are on the topic of canon power match ups, have you guys ever watched Death Battle?

 

[Pacack]

I'm just gonna stick with me loving Palutena. I feel ashamed for getting onto the topic bout canons. D:
As far as tiers go, I still hope Pit and Palutena (when she makes it in) are around high, but not top. That way, they'll still have weaknesses, but still are great characters, while not being used as much as someone broken... See MK. *imagines Palutena using Glam Blaster on him*

I honestly hope that Palutena's high tier. I love magicians, and her potential playstyle really would excite me if it was done right. I also happen to be a sucker for Palutena's character, so I'm honestly really hoping she gets in.

This is only half true. Yes, certain characters in Smash have power far beyond their actual canon power, such as Villager and Wii Fit Trainer. This is done because Sakurai finds it adds to the game's appeal.

However, when it comes to characters who already have established abilities, they are either exactly in line with their actual abilities (Link would be an example of this - his abilities are pretty much just as they are in his actual games, with the only buff being how how high he can jump on a regular basis, plus being able double jump. Although there are items in the Zelda series that allow Link to jump high and even double jump, he is clearly not using them in Smash, as they would be visible), or are a toned down version of what they actually are capable of (Sonic is a perfect example - he just has tons of natural abilities he doesn't use in Smash. Sakurai only went for the iconic stuff that people know from the Genesis and Dreamcast days).

I feel Rosalina is much like Sonic, and fits into the category of really taking it easy for the sake of Smash. This is obviously partly due to Smash's simple control scheme, as well as for balancing purposes.

And while we are on the topic of canon power match ups, have you guys ever watched Death Battle?

I could believe that. But we do have to see Rosalina in full before I can say how powerful she actually appears.

And yes. Zelda should have defeated Peach.

 

[Mirron]

I'd have to question what Paladins are using a staff and shield. Sword and shield I could see, but not staff. And that's why I also included Clerics. Though the point was more that one of them is a user of magic, the other only dabbles in it. Palutena is someone who uses magic, she isn't a melee specialist who uses some magical talents on/off again.

 

[ChikoLad]

I always took Paladins to be warriors who's use of magic is mostly focused on enhancing physical attacks through imbuing them with some kind of magic element like light.

That's what I got from Cecil in FFIV, anyway. :V

 

[Mirron]

I listed DnD as an option as well. And White Magic can be plenty offensive, such as Kuja having a bunch of varieties on the holy spell. But in FFIV, Cecil is lacking in any sort of Holy-elemental spell. He just shields and hits you with weapons, actually using light itself as a weapon is exclusive to White Mages (outside of Dissidia, but if so, I still cite Kuja as being much more versatile).

 

[Admiral Pit]

I honestly hope that Palutena's high tier. I love magicians, and her potential playstyle really would excite me if it was done right. I also happen to be a sucker for Palutena's character, so I'm honestly really hoping she gets in.


I could believe that. But we do have to see Rosalina in full before I can say how powerful she actually appears.

And yes. Zelda should have defeated Peach.

Magical! <3 I'm sure Palutena will have a great moveset. She and Pit need more love... and fanart. Do we have any artists here? *thinks of cute shipping thoughts*
I just hope she uses her shield, too. She is defensive after all, and did make that barrier over her temple. That and using some of her powers she gave to Pit. I prefer if she doesn't summon Centurions though.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm just gonna stick with me loving Palutena. I feel ashamed for getting onto the topic bout canons. D:
As far as tiers go, I still hope Pit and Palutena (when she makes it in) are around high, but not top. That way, they'll still have weaknesses, but still are great characters, while not being used as much as someone broken... See MK. *imagines Palutena using Glam Blaster on him*

Sadly, I expect Palutena to be somewhat low tier.
She would be tall and heavy, like Ganondorf, and have slow light projectiles, like Zelda.
Not a good combo competitively I must say.

 

[ChikoLad]

Magical! <3 I'm sure Palutena will have a great moveset. She and Pit need more love... and fanart. Do we have any artists here? *thinks of cute shipping thoughts*
I just hope she uses her shield, too. She is defensive after all, and did make that barrier over her temple. That and using some of her powers she gave to Pit. I prefer if she doesn't summon Centurions though.

I'm not Go-Shogawara, btw.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Sadly, I expect Palutena to be somewhat low tier.
She would be tall and heavy, like Ganondorf, and have slow light projectiles, like Zelda.
Not a good combo competitively I must say.

*pouts* The only heavy character that was actually good was Snake, but he was OP'd with the tilts being disjointed anyways.
As long as Palutena has amazing defenses and fair range, not to mention a reflector, I feel that will make up for her height.

I've seen that cute pic btw. I love the one where Pit's hugging Palutena... a "soft" feeling he's having. <3
Speaking of other stuff, I wanna see some Pit x Palutena teams when 2v2s are present. I wouldn't mind being either of the 2.

 

[ChikoLad]

Is this punny enough to be her announcement tagline?

 

[Admiral Pit]

Yes, it is, or "Descends into Battle!" I feel that they'd cut the "Lady" of that though.
We need more of her for sure.

 

[ChikoLad]

I have yet to play Uprising, but I already love Palutena's design. She's about as beautiful as Rosalina, Lightning, and Lili to me (my favourite fictional female characters). Her thighs and hips are amazing. I like when artists make something beyond the "usual" assets very physically/aesthetically appealing about their lady characters.

I also have high hopes for her character. From what I've seen, she's not graceful like I would expect from a goddess, but it's fine because she seems hilarious and adorable.

 

[Pacack]

I have yet to play Uprising, but I already love Palutena's design. She's about as beautiful as Rosalina, Lightning, and Lili to me (my favourite fictional female characters). Her thighs and hips are amazing. I like when artists make something beyond the "usual" assets very physically/aesthetically appealing about their lady characters.

I also have high hopes for her character. From what I've seen, she's not graceful like I would expect from a goddess, but it's fine because she seems hilarious and adorable.

Ironically, she only ever seems extremely graceful when she's in battle.

 

[Louie G.]

What do you guys think of Palutena using the Wolf Claws from Palutena's Revolting Dinner?
Personally I would like it, but as a F-Smash or something rather than a special move, which I feel should be reserved for light attacks from her

Spoiler

Boss battle

 

[Pacack]

What do you guys think of Palutena using the Wolf Claws from Palutena's Revolting Dinner?
Personally I would like it, but as a F-Smash or something rather than a special move, which I feel should be reserved for light attacks from her

Spoiler

Boss battle

I'd rather no wolf claws. Then again, I'm biased, cause I like magic over most anything.

Note, though, Palutena should use different colors for her light attacks. You know, the borders around the white? Blue should be the main, but there should also be a lot of yellow with bits of more vivid colors like violet and orange...or am I alone on wanting that?

 

[Admiral Pit]

I'd say no claws. Although it would be interesting, I prefer her to use her natural power (no summoning Centurions) and bring in light magic to battle, and I mean true light magic, not no sparkles like Zelda, but I really mean true light. The light that can temporarily blind opponents, and more.
A mixture of blue, yellow, and white fit Palutena's magic colors best.

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah, for some reason I don't like the Centurion idea either.
She has more potential outside of that.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Definitely to agree. She has her powers, power of caging, all the light magic, her boss battle moves, and wields both a staff and shield. I'm sure Palutena will definitely have a lot of nice things to offer.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Claws make Palutena look like a wolf.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Claws make Palutena look like a wolf.

Claws make anything look much more badass.

 

[Dinoman96]

For the record, I never really liked the idea of Palutena using random Uprising weapons. Pit already has that aspect of Uprising covered.

If anything, I'd think a more fitting moveset for her is something based around Uprising's powers (Alongside the staff and shield, of course). Things like mega lasers, black holes, and such. I believe it's been mentioned that Palutena is indeed, the creator of the powers, so I'd reckon it's not a stretch for her to carry around some on her own (Especially when Zelda uses the three fairy spells only Link was shown to be using in OoT).

Uprising has two primary arsenals, them being weapons and powers. Pit represents the weapon side, while Palutena could represent the power side.

 

[Admiral Pit]

And that's why Palutena should use modified versions of those powers from Uprising. She created em, and I'm sure should could improve or change em in given time, like Zelda did with Nayru's Love with the shards doing damage, while Link's was just a barrier.

 

[UltimateWario]

like Zelda did with Nayru's Love with the shards doing damage, while Link's was just a barrier.

Link's makes him invincible, Zelda's lasts for like a second and reflects projectiles.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Link's makes him invincible, Zelda's lasts for like a second and reflects projectiles.

I was too lazy to type that invincible part, but you know what I mean. Knowing Palutena, she'd make her Reflect Barrier larger, or maybe turn Angelic Missile into a controllable rushing attack. >_<

 

[Hong]

If it's necessary.

Zelda had the power of the Goddesses because we needed abilities to remind us that she was Zelda, and to give her a kit that made sense.

Palutena can take inspiration from Powers as needed, though her shield and staff alone gave me ideas for at least three whole movesets. O~O

 

[Admiral Pit]

Bring em on. Palutena needs more love while I try to think of different moves.

 

[Hong]

Bring em on. Palutena needs more love while I try to think of different moves.

My advice is to make the most out of everything. Focus on a direction you want to take the character in terms of how they play and whether or not it will be fun, then just worry about making moves that fulfill that style.

I had not even played much of Uprising when I came up with mine, but I had so many ideas for spear or shield based character, since the staff and spear basically do the same with in an environment like Smash Bros. Plus some inspirations from other games like the Tales series, so the rest came naturally.

Now that I have completed Uprising, I could be making Palutena movesets until the cows come home, though I don't think anyone isn't convinced she can be a fun and original character at this point. If I post another, it will be drastically different from my first.

 

[Admiral Pit]

My advice is to make the most out of everything. Focus on a direction you want to take the character in terms of how they play and whether or not it will be fun, then just worry about making moves that fulfill that style.

I had not even played much of Uprising when I came up with mine, but I had so many ideas for spear or shield based character, since the staff and spear basically do the same with in an environment like Smash Bros. Plus some inspirations from other games like the Tales series, so the rest came naturally.

Now that I have completed Uprising, I could be making Palutena movesets until the cows come home, though I don't think anyone isn't convinced she can be a fun and original character at this point. If I post another, it will be drastically different from my first.

My aim is to make use of defenses and spacing with a tiny bit of versatility like Pit, except considerably slower and heavier, but in turn is stronger. I'm too sleepy to type the rest out atm.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Were doing an analysis on Palutena:
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-uniqueness-tier-list-elite-4-week-palutena.347531/page-4
If you like to contribute on finding what makes Palutena unique, feel free to do so.
Otherwise I'll probably do it later in the day.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I put my input on that thread, and it's quite popular as far as the likes go. Then again what you'd you expect from a Palutena fanatic (not completely fanatic) like me?

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...e-4-week-palutena.347531/page-5#post-16307610

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

#PaleTuna4Dinner! Spread the word, dood!

 

[Motor Bug2005]

I know it's a bit of a stretch but does anyone think there's a slight chance that today's Nintendo Direct might be where Palutena finally gets revealed? I know Diddy Kong and/or Dixie Kong are a lot more likely with the release of DKCR: TF in Japan today but Ixbran on GameFAQs makes a good point concerning Valentine's Day (with Sakurai mentioning it in his Miiverse post today):

Lets not forget the connections to Valentines day

Palutena is based off the Goddess Athena from Greek Mythology, Valentines Day is a holiday that originated in Greece, Pit is based off the Mascot for Valentines day, Cupid.

In Kid Icarus Hearts are used as currency, and Palutena apparently collects them as a hobby, to the point of obsession.

Palutena and Pit have ties too Valentines Day, due to their Greek origins, and Pit's/Cupid's association to the holiday it self, one that, mind you, focuses mainly on giving heart shaped gifts. And remember, Pit gives hearts to Palutena, because of her love for Hearts, in exchange for power ups and various other items/weapons.

Here a link to the post: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68563732/774489399

I won't be too disappointed if she's passed up today since there'll be other opportunities to reveal her in the future but I am slighty hopeful for a Palutena reveal today.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I think if we're getting an actual newcomer today, and not Diddy/Diddy & Dixie, it's most likely going to be Palutena.

 

[Banjodorf]

I think if we're getting an actual newcomer today, and not Diddy/Diddy & Dixie, it's most likely going to be Palutena.

It's certainly very likely. If we do, it's either Palutena, or Shulk or something, to tie in with the potential X discussion. Who knows.