Minor mistakes that most falcons make

[Ryzol_]

I watch a lot of vids, and here there are some minor things I see repeatedly that could be improved.

• Pay attention to percents and stop dairing when you can't follow up - Everytime I see CF stomp a spacey at high percents, and they either go too high to do anything or they jumped and you hit them into the ground, when you could have kneed and taken a stock I cringe. Dair is for building % and knee is for killing. When they are in kill range stop trying to build damage!
  
• Learn to gentlemen - Gentlemen combos to knee, gives you edgeguard, and techchase opportunities. You are passing up free stocks by not being able to gentlemen consistently.
  
• Use stomp -> fsmash when appropriate - Fsmash has more knockback than knee and can be charged. A lot of people always stomp -> knee out of habit.
  
• Learn to ledgetech - CF's recovery needs all the help it can get.
• Be smarter about Raptor Boost (sideB) - If you are using it at close to max range, and it's not a tech chase you are going to get punished.
• UpB stuff out of shield - A lot of common moves such as sheik's ftilt, and fox/falco's utilt can be upBed out of shield on reaction even with perfect spacing. This is free damage, and more importantly gets CF out of his shield.

 

[Palpi]

I should start using UP B OoS because against characters like the ones you mentioned there may not be a better OoS option.

I just learned how to gentlemen so I am gonna practice that today. I put off learning it for like 4 months haha.

 

[Animal]

good stufff

 

[Fuzzyness]

heh I agree about up + b but they have to be a high %

most falcons jump out of shield too much at the wrong ranges or during pressure, learn to wd out of shield!

D throw by the edge, if they dont go offstage and land by the stage + they're at high % d smash is good :D covers both options but make sure you space it right cause if they roll inside your character it wont hit, or do a regrab to dropzone haha

most falcons believe FoD is a bad stage for falcon, but that stage also adds a lot of possibilities and advantages even against shiek. It's personally one of my favourite stages and I like the shiek matchup =)
A fast falcon is a scary falcon, FoD allows you to play fast with the insanely easy edge cancels and the small stage. His range is just about perfect for that stage as his air moves cover the platforms so well and they're exactly the right height to stomp from above. You just have to be very wary of the platform heights when playing on that stage as most falcons john about the platforms cancelling their moves. The edgeguarding is also hella easy on that stage.

Be wary of when using jabs against fox/falco/shiek as at low % they can get something from it by crouch cancelling, especially if you dont gentleman

Sometimes being hit when recovering is a better options, its better to get hit and survive with DI rather than getting gimped/edgeghogged. My logic :D Get hit over and over without a care in the world until you get back and get your revenge =) Recovering high with falcon is too good

 

[CORY]

wtf is gentlemen's? : (

 

[Roneblaster]

i tech edgeguards like nobodies business, i learned the neccessity of doing that realllllllllllll quick.

 

[GenG]

wtf is gentlemen's? : (

It's the third hit in the AAA combo (the knee).

 

[CORY]

ah... you crazy guys and your slang.

 

[Elec Man]

ugh yeah i Dair WAYY too much... even at low %s I still use it way too much... i shoukd get out of that habit too

though i didn't know that you can dair->fsmash at certain %s... thanks for that!

 

[Palpi]

I tried applying Up-B OoS to my game and it really worked. Fuzzyness mentioned that up-b only works at high percents. I disagree a bit, because if you are in position to land on a platform after the up-B it drastically decreases the chances of getting punished. I rarely got punished regardless of % because people didn't expect it. I tried it mainly on falco and sheik and it helped a lot.

 

[Jellatin]

thanks for this :D really helpful imma go try out the Up B OoS asap

 

[Magus420]

Yeah, I love FoD with CF. The platforms are awesome imo once you get to know them and each of their heights well.

Also, more falcons should ground tech when they land on the stage/platform with up-B and can't edgecancel it. Applies to other laggy stuff as well like missing with a side-b or smash. Don't try to do it against knees or rest though the hitlag messes it up and you get ***** with horrible DI. I still sometimes forget that when it's a little too late and get killed by knees I could have survived by just DIing normally

 

[A2ZOMG]

lol I gotta get up vids of TonyGuacamole's Falcon. He does like all those things you mentioned that Falcon users should do and like seriously, I think he could compete on the level of say SilentSpectre on a good day. Best Falcon in Santa Barbara ftw.

Oh yeah other random stuff he does that I think Falcon users should do

*you land a D-air at really high percents, don't overlook the possibility of comboing into Up-B when nothing else will combo.
*Falcon Kick is a good way to keep people honest about their approaches. The leanback will mess up a LOT of approaches, and it's safer than Raptor Boost
*Up-B out of shield is good, but usually the best time to do it is when you read a crossover. This means Falcon can do a grab out of shield that hits behind him. =)

I'll be back sometime. You guys are going to love Tony's Falcon once I get vids of it. =)

 

[Deleted member]

i agree with fuzzy and magus

fod *****! (let them counterpick it for you though except against samus)

 

[ETWIST51294]

LOL Cory's older than my mom.

 

[Dart!]

i thought the first mistake was picking falcon?

 

[legion598]

can u up B OOS on marths Utilt? cuz that would be ballin

 

[Jeapie]

can u up B OOS on marths Utilt? cuz that would be ballin

yes we can.

 

[Scar]

gentleMAN*

 

[GooeyBanana]

Josh, these are minor mistakes. Picking Falcon would be a MAJOR mistake.

Too bad Falcon is just so attractive, who can really pass up playing such a beautiful character?

 

[Ryzol_]

Josh, these are minor mistakes. Picking Falcon would be a MAJOR mistake.

Too bad Falcon is just so attractive, who can really pass up playing such a beautiful character?

Too true!

 

[The Irish Mafia]

if you're facing away from samus and you're both shielding, up b oos *****. also falcon should be all over-b all the time, as JB said, "it should be called the rapture boost because once you land it it's over". sets up everything. just spam it lol

also up-b is acceptable as a finish for a high percent stomp, but don't throw it out if the're going above your 2nd jump
the problem with falcons nowadays is they're trying to play falcon when they play in tournament, falcon and tournament falcon are 2 completely different characters and people need to learn the difference

 

[Windrose]

if you're facing away from samus and you're both shielding, up b oos *****. also falcon should be all over-b all the time, as JB said, "it should be called the rapture boost because once you land it it's over". sets up everything. just spam it lol

also up-b is acceptable as a finish for a high percent stomp, but don't throw it out if the're going above your 2nd jump
the problem with falcons nowadays is they're trying to play falcon when they play in tournament, falcon and tournament falcon are 2 completely different characters and people need to learn the difference

can you explain this part ? I don't understand.

 

[Winston]

can u up B OOS on marths Utilt? cuz that would be ballin

Can't you always punish marth's utilt with something better though? Namely aerial oos, or wd out grab

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

marths utilt lags quite a bit, i guess knee oos would work? nair would be safer but he could cc/asdi down the first hit and then shieldgrab like a ***

 

[StoneColdBeast]

Hey Magus, how do you floor tech like that again? Just hold down 'R'/'L' and smash DI perpendicular(ish) to the trajectory towards the ground right? I don't think anyone ever told me how to do it. I know smash DI straight into the ground does nothing IIRC.


Also, to the TC, raptor boost can definitely be used all the time even when not tech chasing (such as to intercept people when the land from aerials, etc.). It's a pretty **** move with it's natural dodge, ground coverage, speed, etc. Use it at least a few times in every match, it can be used in just too many situations as a punisher.

 

[Magus420]

You use the control stick to trajectory DI perpendicularly and get the lowest possible launch angle (sends up&away like Peach's n-air->hold down&away; sends up like Falco's shine->hold away), hold directly towards the ground on the c-stick (straight down unless you're on sloped ground), and then time your tech input directly before you get hit (if you press it during hitlag the tech won't go through so you gotta do it as late as possible but before it hits you). It doesn't matter when you start holding the directions on the sticks, and only the tech input needs to be timed.

Getting the lowest possible trajectory gives you the least amount of vertical knockback away from the floor so the ASDI will be enough to get you back to the ground so you can hit it and tech on stronger knockbacks than you would be able to otherwise. You normally ASDI when holding the control stick, but you can also do it with the c-stick and since the c-stick input takes priority when you hold both it lets you get the best trajectory while still ASDIing directly towards the floor.

 

[StoneColdBeast]

Oh, okay, I see, I've never got too wild on my DI with the 'C' stick, I see how it works now, thanks.

 

[Yung Mei]

i've been playing brawl too much, how do i gentleman again?

i've only been able to do it once in the last couple days, i did A>A>pause>A

i cant do it again ;.;

 

[j00t]

i've been playing brawl too much, how do i gentleman again?

i've only been able to do it once in the last couple days, i did A>A>pause>A

i cant do it again ;.;

If you hit the two jabs before the knee, then you can hold A to do the gentleman

or you can do A -> A -> A+L (the shield button) and you'll gentleman into your shield

 

[Yung Mei]

If you hit the two jabs before the knee, then you can hold A to do the gentleman

or you can do A -> A -> A+L (the shield button) and you'll gentleman into your shield

do i pause before i hold A, or do i just hold it immediately

<3 jwt <3

 

[Faithkeeper]

If you do the two jabs, pause, and then hold A method of doing gentleman, can the opponent get out of it? If not gentleman just got a lot easier for me. Perhaps it depends on how precise you are with the pause?

 

[bertbusdriver]

If you pause, they often have enough time to hit you if they crouch cancel.

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

i love falcon's up b out of shield

i love his up b in general

i don't know why falcons don't use it more often for random stuff

then again i play samus

no but really

up bing people who get in shields is coooooooooooooooool