Mini Game | Werewolves win

[Zalak]

I feel less confident on Slick then the other reads. I explained that earlier. I am also saying I am only voting one of those people so those are my options. I'm not saying "these are the only lynches toDay" I'm saying "these are the only lynches I'm voting for toDay".

Of course haha. I'm not that stubborn a person.

My lynch line just goes like this:

Zalak/Koops>Spak>Slick/one of you/RR

I'm just planning on pile-driving the game of these slots hard-body style until town wins.

But you'll have to do some major convincing for me to let Zalak live past toDay. Even you can't deny the lynch is good on almost every level.

you put him on your list, and hammered him when it was the obvious thing to do (and when he was going to be hammered anyway)

but you never ever ever

ever

gave a single reason for disliking slick as far as i can remember. he was just there at the #4 spot on your list. that's not you actually doing anything about his slot.

 

[#HBC | J]

"as far as i can remember"

Just saying.

 

[Zalak]

"as far as i can remember"

Just saying.

it's your job to prove me wrong then. i'm not gonna go looking for quotes that i don't think exist.

 

[Zalak]

I don't like how @Spak ignored this

As for your reads, imagine we've already lynched RR/ he got mod-killed or something. Who are you going onto next? What evidence would you try to gather? What questions would you ask me/Zalak/ anyone else? Then ask them.

part of Rosa's post.

 

[#HBC | J]

That's not how this game works...lol.

You can't make baseless claims and then be like "Oh you now go prove me wrong!"

That's entirely backwards.

 

[Zalak]

That's not how this game works...lol.

You can't make baseless claims and then be like "Oh you now go prove me wrong!"

That's entirely backwards.

no, it's not. when it comes to something you've never done, that's when you have to prove me wrong. I will say this again. I cannot think of a time that you have actually stated a reason for disliking Slick. Your posts do not justify having him at your #4 slot. If you have something to prove me wrong, then show me. There is nothing I can find to further support my point, because my evidence is the lack of a post.

don't try to pull this #bogus™ on me J.

I
KNOW
MY
RIGHTS.

You just can't think of any evidence to dispute this, meaning I'm right.

 

[Zalak]

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh dear, well time to go on a scavenger hunt.

This should be resolved easily, but dude. You seriously need to calm down in mafia. Too hyper.

 

[Zalak]

Oh dear, well time to go on a scavenger hunt.

This should be resolved easily, but dude. You seriously need to calm down in mafia. Too hyper.

don't try to stop me from having fun

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

J, you may have a point with that, but does it relate to his scumminess?

 

[Orboknown]

don't try to stop me from having fun

Dont he overbearing and take the fun out ofnit forbother players

 

[Zalak]

Dont he overbearing and take the fun out ofnit forbother players

okay, fair enough.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, you may have a point with that, but does it relate to his scumminess?

No, it's just bad play and it's kind of my job to help differentiate this time around. You can't just say "I claim this! And if you don't believe me, prove it yourself!". That's not how mafia works and it's not how the world works. Most of his case has been "prove me wrong!" over "here is my proof" which is not correct and bull-headed.

I can't combat a case that has no substance. That's why I haven't responded to his next wall because it doesn't have anything to respond to besides me just saying "I disagree" which is the front of his case.

I'm trying to be understanding and rationale, but it's literally been 20 pgs of the same, "No, u!" and quite frankly, I'm done with it haha.

 

[Zalak]

No, it's just bad play and it's kind of my job to help differentiate this time around. You can't just say "I claim this! And if you don't believe me, prove it yourself!". That's not how mafia works and it's not how the world works. Most of his case has been "prove me wrong!" over "here is my proof" which is not correct and bull-headed.

You are literally the only mafia player I have ever seen complain about an accusation of "I have not seen you posting this, if you have something to prove me wrong, show me". what am i supposed to find for you? am i supposed to quote the ghosts of what your posts could have been? I really don't get it, dude.

 

[Zalak]

I'm trying to be understanding and rationale, but it's literally been 20 pgs of the same, "No, u!" and quite frankly, I'm done with it haha.

there are definitely some facts in there. like how you've never in any way acknowledged the existence of my first push against you. you've never even acknowledged it to say "well that's BARELY a push" or something like that. there's also the fact that my post about slick was posted before Orbo's, and contained basically the same reasoning. if you can point out a way my accusation is at all worse or less factual than Orbo's, i'd like to see it.

 

[#HBC | J]

You are accusing me of saying something, I can honestly just say "I haven't said that" as my response until you prove I have.

Literally, you are sucking the fun out of this game for me every time I try and get away from you, you suck me back into a vortex argument with you.

The reason this game is so hard at this juncture is because the thread is cluttered with me vs. you for 20 pgs. and everyone else is on the sidelines. It's selfish and we need to focus elsewhere.

 

[Zalak]

You are accusing me of saying something, I can honestly just say "I haven't said that" as my response until you prove I have.

i'm accusing you of not saying something. i've already quoted the things you HAVE said about slick.

you're always trying to morph these situations into something they're not

 

[Zalak]

what happened to that scavenger hunt, J? Just a bit ago, you seemed willing to look for evidence to prove me wrong. Did you not find any? What's changed?

 

[#HBC | J]

Zalak, for the sake of town, and the sake of others, I am no longer responding to your posts. This argument is anti-town and I'm not continuing it any longer. I wish to play a game of mafia, not a game of whatever this has devolved into.

I am gonna go continue my scum-hunting and pressure elsewhere.

 

[#HBC | J]

what happened to that scavenger hunt, J? Just a bit ago, you seemed willing to look for evidence to prove me wrong. Did you not find any? What's changed?

Jeezus, I said I am playing league with my brother's boyfriend lmao. I am literally posting when I die or in between games. I'm not gonna ISO. You are so rude as a player.

 

[#HBC | J]

The thing that eats away at me the most is the notion that Zalak may just be town. Town that is literally the soul reason why we are in the predicament we are in currently with barely any info on slots and why we only just nailed scum yesterDay.

This game would be so much easier for me if Zalak were scum, but the more I argue the more I just am seeing that he is town because scum would not sign a death warrant so easily for being so bull-headed. If he is town, that makes one of Orbo/Rosa scum and I cringe at having to figure that one out.

 

[Orboknown]

Deadlines what sundayish

 

[Orboknown]

Rosa disappearing doesn't help^

 

[Zalak]

Jeezus, I said I am playing league with my brother's boyfriend lmao. I am literally posting when I die or in between games. I'm not gonna ISO. You are so rude as a player.

my apologies, i assumed you were taking a break or something when you said

Oh dear, well time to go on a scavenger hunt.

in any case, you agreed to prove me wrong, and i will not stand for such a sudden change of mind. I'm totally cool with it if you want to get to it later, or tomorrow or something, but if you don't get to it at all.

that's just scummy, no two ways about it. I gave you exactly what you wanted, a good criticism of your play, and you again treat it like me "disagreeing with you". you're the only one who would refuse to dispute an accusation like this.

can we please just lynch J if he continues doing this?

again J, I'm fine if you need to take your time, I'm not trying to rush you. It's the refusal to dispute this at all that screams scum to me.

 

[#HBC | J]

I've literally refuted everything you've said against me SANS the most recent #ZalakStorm that has come my way with this latest thing.

Zalak, let's play around with a hypothetical that you've failed to observe. What if I am town? You've spent over half the game on my slot. If you get my lynch and I flip town, what happens then?

 

[#HBC | J]

@ Orboknown : Help me for a second. I need to regain my sanity. Am I being daft here? Am I not making myself clear? Am I just completely bonkers at this point in time? Can Zalak be town and be playing this way?

I hate this phrase, but I am battling Dummy vs. Scummy here and I need help deciding where Zalak falls.

 

[Orboknown]

Iunno, outside perspective says you both believe in what you are saying but are so ingrained in this you guys aren't translating on the shot between yall (aka you guys can't understand the others POV)
Like
It almost feels like you guys are trying to argue and respond different points than are being said.

 

[Orboknown]

Also? Yeah zalek can be town. Its starting to peek out more since he toke those little breaks between yall longer posts. The sanest parts of the sitchiation are the bits where you guys take a breather and then refocus

 

[Zalak]

I've literally refuted everything you've said against me SANS the most recent #ZalakStorm that has come my way with this latest thing.

you've also yet to dispute the last two accusations in my #ZalakWall™

Zalak, let's play around with a hypothetical that you've failed to observe. What if I am town? You've spent over half the game on my slot. If you get my lynch and I flip town, what happens then?

then you should have actually disputed all of my claims. did it ever occur to you that posts like these clog up the thread too? I'm still pushing you because you complain for like 3-5 posts at least before actually giving me a decent response to my accusations and questions.

you never gave any reasons for putting Slick at #4 on your lynch list. you never too an in-depth look at him, and you ignored accusations against him until Orbo's. You only lynched him when he was going to be lynched anyway, but you act like your hammer somehow proves you're not on his side.

all i want you to focus on right now is you showing that you actually gave reasoning for putting Slick at #4, because you claim to have done that.

before you do that though, by all means, play league.

 

[#HBC | J]

Here, go do something else, and I'll promise to get around to that before day ends.

Deal?

 

[Zalak]

Here, go do something else, and I'll promise to get around to that before day ends.

Deal?

Yeah, that sounds good.

 

[Zalak]

Here, go do something else, and I'll promise to get around to that before day ends.

Deal?

Wait, in-game day, or irl day? I'd prefer it be sometime before the 20th, because this is a pretty big accusation, linking you to our dead WW.

 

[#HBC | J]

It's not really that big of a connection. Rosa's vote is even bigger tbh.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No, it's just bad play and it's kind of my job to help differentiate this time around. You can't just say "I claim this! And if you don't believe me, prove it yourself!". That's not how mafia works and it's not how the world works. Most of his case has been "prove me wrong!" over "here is my proof" which is not correct and bull-headed.

I can't combat a case that has no substance. That's why I haven't responded to his next wall because it doesn't have anything to respond to besides me just saying "I disagree" which is the front of his case.

I'm trying to be understanding and rationale, but it's literally been 20 pgs of the same, "No, u!" and quite frankly, I'm done with it haha.

That's fine and all but, I just want to understand where your angle is in this.

Like don't get me wrong, I get that you are one of the guides for the newer players, or at least trying to here from what I can tell and props to you on that.

What I am saying here is that you seem to be implying you know he is not scum, or at least this is the vibe I have bee getting recently?

Is he not? ok, then why is Spak better?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's not doing enough that gets to me, but rather I feel you aren't attempting to do much. If you'd asked questions, pushed very hard, but got nowhere, you would still be putting in the effort, trying to scumhunt. But I feel you've been 'floating', without pushing or trying to work out who is scum. Yes, a town could do that as well, but it's more typical of a scum, and is indicative of scumminess. You could be a bad townie, but if we tolerated that excuse everyone could just claim bad townie...
As for your reads, imagine we've already lynched RR/ he got mod-killed or something. Who are you going onto next? What evidence would you try to gather? What questions would you ask me/Zalak/ anyone else? Then ask them.



Also, about above, my read on Zalak depends rather heavily on how successfully J replied, so perhaps keep that on hold actually.

Ok this post is actually a little more valid for why to dislike Spak.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I am much more inclined to call J a WW, only because of his connection to Slick, and that incident that looked like a potential WW slip a while back (when he mistook me saying he was cleared of being WW to mean he was cleared of being scum). Why do you want to keep him alive?

What connection to Slick?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Did J try to self clear himself of being a WW for catching the slip?

I'm pretty sure most ruthless players here would bus their mates into the ground for something that big.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

My vote's on you missing that because I remember Orbo saying that. Mainly also due to the fact you've been skimming a lot this game and not really studying posts.

Now now, that is mostly me this game.

But I would like to analyze and have you answer my questions.

 

[#HBC | J]

Nope, never self cleared myself there. And sparky is more likely to flip scum and lately I have been entertaining ZalakTown more, because his over-zealousness doesn't make sense as scum really. But meh.

 

[Zalak]

Slick was adamant that Spak was next in line though, might be an arms reach thing since I don't see Slick really asking or looking that hard at him.

Slick was really intent on lynching Koopa, but that doesn't mean he wasn't reading into other players. THAT BEING SAID, Slick only knows the role of his WW buddy.

What connection to Slick?

Both players were very reluctant to actually look at each other in-detail. J put Slick at #4 on his lynch list with no explanation. Slick put J as probably scum with no legit explanation. J hammered Slick, but only when he was going to be hammered anyway.

Did J try to self clear himself of being a WW for catching the slip?

I'm pretty sure most ruthless players here would bus their mates into the ground for something that big.

Er kinda. this happened

Reluctance? I was the one that hammered him out of the game and also had him on my list of people to die.

Get out with that nonsense.