Mini Game | Werewolves win

[Zalak]

sorry, red, i forgot.

anyways J, i will get to this tomorrow. for now, i play runescape and chill.

 

[Spak]

I can see what you're getting at and agree that there's some scummy J stuff, but I think that your focus on J might be giving you tunnel vision. It's true that you were a large part of the push on Slick, but you and Slick never had walls of interactions; you never pushed him as hard, never sought after what he had to say, and never hyper-analyzed him the way that J did. Orbo and I both voted for him before the slip, and if I remember correctly, you were still wanting J that day.

It might help if you take a step back for a bit early D5 or night of D4 and re-read the game with a fresh mind; you could see interactions you missed earlier. You may even see some things that screamed scum intent at you today, but you can see them as having ulterior, townie motives tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | J]

@ RosalinaSGS @ Orboknown @ #HBC | J

Please tell me why you think I'm scum, in your own words. I've addressed every point that you guys have accused me with, answered all questions fairly directly, and you still seem confident that I'm Mafish or WWish. I emphasize the "In your own words" part to Rosa because so far, I've seen him do a LOT of parroting J. I don't want the conversation to die down because if I die, that would put me and at least one of you (I think Orbo's town as well) in a VERY bad spot.

I have a case on the back-burner if need be, but to quick hit this. I feel like you have not scum-hunted really at all this game and also have just been too passive. I am confident that you are Mafiaish or WWish because, and I really hate saying this, but a BIG reason is that you make the most logical sense as scum in this game especially with the remaining players. You are a slot that I have questioned for a long time now (since D2) and compared to the others, you have the highest probability of flipping scum. It's really becoming a numbers game at this point. I don't think Orbo/Rosa will flip scum for toDay's purposes; RR/Zalak are reads that I could see being town or scum; your slot I just do not see as being town.

You also just have not shown me why you are town and for toDay's purposes you choose to vote RR out of inactivity above anything else and you haven't taken a stance in the J vs. Zalak debate, but stayed comfortably in the middle calling both of our slots suspicious. Even in your last post that just ninja'd me, you just remain in the middle. I've yet to see you step on anyone's toes besides your Sassy Sally outburst that didn't make much sense and hmm. I just....there is nothing I remember from your slot that is independent and shows that you are actually scum-hunting, but floating along in the game. At this point in time, my biggest concerns are your slot and RR for floating along and on D4 when the game is in crunch-time:

Time to grab a life-vest.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I have a case on the back-burner if need be, but to quick hit this. I feel like you have not scum-hunted really at all this game and also have just been too passive. I am confident that you are Mafiaish or WWish because, and I really hate saying this, but a BIG reason is that you make the most logical sense as scum in this game especially with the remaining players. You are a slot that I have questioned for a long time now (since D2) and compared to the others, you have the highest probability of flipping scum. It's really becoming a numbers game at this point. I don't think Orbo/Rosa will flip scum for toDay's purposes; RR/Zalak are reads that I could see being town or scum; your slot I just do not see as being town.

You also just have not shown me why you are town and for toDay's purposes you choose to vote RR out of inactivity above anything else and you haven't taken a stance in the J vs. Zalak debate, but stayed comfortably in the middle calling both of our slots suspicious. Even in your last post that just ninja'd me, you just remain in the middle. I've yet to see you step on anyone's toes besides your Sassy Sally outburst that didn't make much sense and hmm. I just....there is nothing I remember from your slot that is independent and shows that you are actually scum-hunting, but floating along in the game. At this point in time, my biggest concerns are your slot and RR for floating along and on D4 when the game is in crunch-time:

Time to grab a life-vest.

You got me tomorrow, you got my word on this.

School takes priority atm.

 

[Spak]

I have a case on the back-burner if need be, but to quick hit this. I feel like you have not scum-hunted really at all this game and also have just been too passive. I am confident that you are Mafiaish or WWish because, and I really hate saying this, but a BIG reason is that you make the most logical sense as scum in this game especially with the remaining players. You are a slot that I have questioned for a long time now (since D2) and compared to the others, you have the highest probability of flipping scum. It's really becoming a numbers game at this point. I don't think Orbo/Rosa will flip scum for toDay's purposes; RR/Zalak are reads that I could see being town or scum; your slot I just do not see as being town.

You also just have not shown me why you are town and for toDay's purposes you choose to vote RR out of inactivity above anything else and you haven't taken a stance in the J vs. Zalak debate, but stayed comfortably in the middle calling both of our slots suspicious. Even in your last post that just ninja'd me, you just remain in the middle. I've yet to see you step on anyone's toes besides your Sassy Sally outburst that didn't make much sense and hmm. I just....there is nothing I remember from your slot that is independent and shows that you are actually scum-hunting, but floating along in the game. At this point in time, my biggest concerns are your slot and RR for floating along and on D4 when the game is in crunch-time:

Time to grab a life-vest.

So far, my problem has been more of the people I'm trying to push being inactive a majority of the time. I tried calling out Rosa, Red and Koops (when he was alive) MANY times to ask their opinions on things and ask them questions, but a lot of times they've just forgotten and ignored me... I'm concerned about RR because he's been WAY too inactive, I've seen no townie content from him since he joined this game, he doesn't seem to have any notable interactions with anyone that I've noticed, and he's added nothing to the game. I feel like I've at least pushed some slots, observed play fairly well, made my own reads, picked up on some scummy-sounding posts, corrected information, and tried to add to the general conversation.

I can understand how being safe and floaty can be seen as scummy (trying so hard not to self-meta right now), but is someone trying to do the best he can and not doing enough (according to one or two people) really grounds for a lynch? I think that Orbo is town, one of Rosa and Zalak and you are town, and RR is scum. I don't lie about my reads, I put down what I genuinely think, and other than Zalak's tunnel vision, you're doing too good of a job controlling game pacing and staying out of the spotlight and on the offensive.

Back to Stat.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Well, now we know everyone's lynch candiates for toDay.

Sparky (3): J, Rosa, Orbo
J (1): Zalak
Red Ryu (1): Sparky
Zalak (1): Red Ryu

Okie dokie, so I'm still feeling Sparky for toDay's purposes and can develop a case if I need to convince people to join onto the slot, but I think it would be overkill for toDay's purpose considering a lot of people are already okay with lynching Sparky and only one of RR/Zalak would need to be convinced to lynch Sparky.

Orbo/Rosa, Out of the other wagons, which would you join if say voting for Sparky was veto'd? Hypothetically that is. I would probably join Zalak because I feel more passionate about that slot of RR and plus the fact that RR has Sparky on it instantly makes me quiver and not want to go onto that wagon.

Catching up. Replying in order, except the wall. I'll probs leave that for last...

I would probably go RR. I feel Zalak may be town, in fact I feel reasonably confident in it, and RR's been legitimately absent the entire game. I doubt his activity's gonna pick up, I don't have any sort of town vibes from him, but nor do I get any scum vibes. But his inactivity alone makes him a worthwhile scum target. (Plus, his 'null'-ness makes him more scum than everyone else, whom I have mostly town reads on.)

 

[RosalinaSGS]

So far, my problem has been more of the people I'm trying to push being inactive a majority of the time. I tried calling out Rosa, Red and Koops (when he was alive) MANY times to ask their opinions on things and ask them questions, but a lot of times they've just forgotten and ignored me... I'm concerned about RR because he's been WAY too inactive, I've seen no townie content from him since he joined this game, he doesn't seem to have any notable interactions with anyone that I've noticed, and he's added nothing to the game. I feel like I've at least pushed some slots, observed play fairly well, made my own reads, picked up on some scummy-sounding posts, corrected information, and tried to add to the general conversation.

I can understand how being safe and floaty can be seen as scummy (trying so hard not to self-meta right now), but is someone trying to do the best he can and not doing enough (according to one or two people) really grounds for a lynch? I think that Orbo is town, one of Rosa and Zalak and you are town, and RR is scum. I don't lie about my reads, I put down what I genuinely think, and other than Zalak's tunnel vision, you're doing too good of a job controlling game pacing and staying out of the spotlight and on the offensive.

Back to Stat.

It's not doing enough that gets to me, but rather I feel you aren't attempting to do much. If you'd asked questions, pushed very hard, but got nowhere, you would still be putting in the effort, trying to scumhunt. But I feel you've been 'floating', without pushing or trying to work out who is scum. Yes, a town could do that as well, but it's more typical of a scum, and is indicative of scumminess. You could be a bad townie, but if we tolerated that excuse everyone could just claim bad townie...
As for your reads, imagine we've already lynched RR/ he got mod-killed or something. Who are you going onto next? What evidence would you try to gather? What questions would you ask me/Zalak/ anyone else? Then ask them.



Also, about above, my read on Zalak depends rather heavily on how successfully J replied, so perhaps keep that on hold actually.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

So far, my problem has been more of the people I'm trying to push being inactive a majority of the time. I tried calling out Rosa, Red and Koops (when he was alive) MANY times to ask their opinions on things and ask them questions, but a lot of times they've just forgotten and ignored me... I'm concerned about RR because he's been WAY too inactive, I've seen no townie content from him since he joined this game, he doesn't seem to have any notable interactions with anyone that I've noticed, and he's added nothing to the game. I feel like I've at least pushed some slots, observed play fairly well, made my own reads, picked up on some scummy-sounding posts, corrected information, and tried to add to the general conversation.

I can understand how being safe and floaty can be seen as scummy (trying so hard not to self-meta right now), but is someone trying to do the best he can and not doing enough (according to one or two people) really grounds for a lynch? I think that Orbo is town, one of Rosa and Zalak and you are town, and RR is scum. I don't lie about my reads, I put down what I genuinely think, and other than Zalak's tunnel vision, you're doing too good of a job controlling game pacing and staying out of the spotlight and on the offensive.

Back to Stat.

Also, if we ignored/ forgot about you, then push for an answer. Or pull a Zalak (no offence) and claim we're deliberately avoid the question or something. Don't just let it go.

Also, about your read on J, if he's doing too good a job controlling town's decisions and staying out of the spotlight, wouldn't that make him scum? Scum would want to remain un-noticed, town wouldn't care, and J being good at controlling game pacing just means he's a good player, but shouldn't be indicative of allegiance... right?

 

[Spak]

Also, about your read on J, if he's doing too good a job controlling town's decisions and staying out of the spotlight, wouldn't that make him scum? Scum would want to remain un-noticed, town wouldn't care, and J being good at controlling game pacing just means he's a good player, but shouldn't be indicative of allegiance... right?

That's the reason he's in the two-of-these-are-scum category. He used to be a scum read for me because of that, but he moved down to weak scum lean because whenever J left the thread for a while, the conversation died down a significant amount; I'm starting to think that means he isn't trying to control conversation, but he's the only one trying to actively push slots. He still has some fishy stuff about his slot, but he's much closer to null than before.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

That's the reason he's in the two-of-these-are-scum category. He used to be a scum read for me because of that, but he moved down to weak scum lean because whenever J left the thread for a while, the conversation died down a significant amount; I'm starting to think that means he isn't trying to control conversation, but he's the only one trying to actively push slots. He still has some fishy stuff about his slot, but he's much closer to null than before.

Oh right, read that as "I think (Orbo is town), (one of Zalak and Rosa) and (you are town)." Misinterpreted cos of the "are".

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Catching up. Replying in order, except the wall. I'll probs leave that for last...

I would probably go RR. I feel Zalak may be town, in fact I feel reasonably confident in it, and RR's been legitimately absent the entire game. I doubt his activity's gonna pick up, I don't have any sort of town vibes from him, but nor do I get any scum vibes. But his inactivity alone makes him a worthwhile scum target. (Plus, his 'null'-ness makes him more scum than everyone else, whom I have mostly town reads on.)

why?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

SlickWyldeOrboknown, Spak, Zalak, Red Ryu, #HBC J5 / 5
TheKingofKoopasSlickWylde, RosalinaSGS2 / 5

@ RosalinaSGS Why were you not voting Slick here?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This is most likely old news, but these posts tick me off. Evidence or just *************************************


Absolute bs.


I am not ********************** defending him. It's called ********************* common sense.


Don't even get me started on this...

Similar comments apply to most of Zalak's post to page [fill this in later].

Also, why would me jumping in to answer all of your questions to J make him more scum than me? Couldn't he have just been an ordinary townie and I was scum just filling in questions to get kudos points or something?


Um... dual perspective?


Right now, I feel spak may be town. I'm working off the basis of 4 townies alive so I don't have to worry about figuring you out right now, and Spak's in the 4 atm.


Holy ****
Kowaidesu

Oh ****, just realised j's a mod too. ****

Just posting this so all my comments don't get lost. Still reading.

All this pushing and questionare at Zalak, yet you read him as town.

Many of this questionnaire, and the posts you made when the day started. Seem hostile, but you seem extremely reluctant to make any sort of push in that direction.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Someone should refresh me why Spak is likely scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I do not like Zalak J push as much, but I am legit thinking about WW J being a thing, or mafia J. It's still gut feeling with how this game has flowed, and I'd rather keep J alive right now than lynch but I am thinking about this angle a bit more.

The former I'm not as sold on, Orbo with Slick doesn't make sense to me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Spak thinking I am scum because of something I never did nor did J really.

Rosalina is PoE and I still call bull on town reading most of the game when Rosa should be aware of the 3 scum still left in the game.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Orboknown I don't have an awesome defense against that, but it's not true. I have definitely had a few arguments with Zalak, Generic, and RadicalRat. I get that it could look like I was going after easy prey, but I was going after the one I saw with the worst posts. The reason I stopped going after you is twofold: 1. A great player can easily turn a townie into a villain in other people's minds, and 2. I'm also fairly confident about Koopa, so it seems smarter to lynch him, which I'm confident will get us a confirmed scum kill. Going after you would be suicide, whether by day or by night. I'm fairly confident you're scum, but just based off a gut feeling. I think there's more evidence to support Koopa, with his posts.

My lynch list:

1. Koopa (Already have my vote on him)
2. Spak
3. Red Ryu

What is your lynch list?

Posts like this make me feel like the WW faction knew Koopa was mafia.

~

Side note, when did Spak vote Slick?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Pretty much 100% sure Orbo is not a WW looking at the past day.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Zalak and Slick posts make me reconsider Zalak being a WW, it's too natural of a feeling out me thinks.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Slick was adamant that Spak was next in line though, might be an arms reach thing since I don't see Slick really asking or looking that hard at him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

More later, i do think reading the game backwards looking for key posts atm, Orbo/Zalak don't make as much sense to be mates with Slick.

Zalak is probs of the mafia faction though.

 

[Orboknown]

At a lake party today mafia tonight

 

[#HBC | J]

I should mafia today, but I am gonna play some league with my brother's boyfriend and then gonna party CO style tonight in Denver so I won't be coherent, but I may see the game differently.

We shall see.

 

[Zalak]

I do not like Zalak J push as much, but I am legit thinking about WW J being a thing, or mafia J. It's still gut feeling with how this game has flowed, and I'd rather keep J alive right now than lynch but I am thinking about this angle a bit more.

The former I'm not as sold on, Orbo with Slick doesn't make sense to me.

I am much more inclined to call J a WW, only because of his connection to Slick, and that incident that looked like a potential WW slip a while back (when he mistook me saying he was cleared of being WW to mean he was cleared of being scum). Why do you want to keep him alive?

 

[Zalak]

Side note, when did Spak vote Slick?

page 48

 

[#HBC | J]

Zalak, could you answer my question now?

Followed by who is your second choice for today?

 

[Zalak]

@ Orboknown

yo do you think you could investigate those Slick posts today? I feel like that's kinda been on hold for a while now.

 

[Zalak]

where did you ask a question?

 

[#HBC | J]

Zalak, why do you think you are the only one that thinks I am scum? Everyone else in the game has me as their strongest town-read (sans Sparky). You do realize that, correct?

You've been on me for almost 20 pgs. now and not a single thing has changed. I actually think your case has made people's town-read in me much stronger.

Your case is doing the opposite of what you hope to accomplish and I find it hilariously ironic.

Kind of a bigger post to miss, haha.

 

[Orboknown]

I thought i mentioned not getting anything out of them? On a scan was more of "these might hold sonething"
I didn't like that post i quoted at spak tho, read like he was trying to stretch it a bit

 

[Zalak]

i did not think that was a legitimate question. and my answer is i'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks you're scum anymore, my dude

if you had asked me earlier, i would say my second choice is definitely red ryu, but his activity has been picking up lately, so i'm hesitant to say that. probably still him, but if not him, then i'd go rosa.

who i wanna investigate is a different matter tho. I feel like I've already seen a lot from Rosa, and Rosa isn't horrendously scummy, so I'd like to see more from Red mostly, then Spak, then Orbo.

 

[Zalak]

I thought i mentioned not getting anything out of them? On a scan was more of "these might hold sonething"
I didn't like that post i quoted at spak tho, read like he was trying to stretch it a bit

i don't think you did say that, or maybe i just missed it.

 

[#HBC | J]

i don't think you did say that, or maybe i just missed it.

My vote's on you missing that because I remember Orbo saying that. Mainly also due to the fact you've been skimming a lot this game and not really studying posts.

 

[Zalak]

My vote's on you missing that because I remember Orbo saying that. Mainly also due to the fact you've been skimming a lot this game and not really studying posts.

well i just woke up a bit ago. i'll read more carefully in a bit.

 

[Zalak]

Mainly also due to the fact you've been skimming a lot this game and not really studying posts.

also i have to disagree with this statement firmly. this is just anti-zalak PROPAGANDA!!!

 

[#HBC | J]

It's not though. It's been a common flaw of your playstyle.

I also have to question if your scum-read on me is based on my playstyle>anything I've actually done.

You've never questioned my pushes, you haven't asked me about my scum-hunting or questions, you haven't don anything besides comment on how you don't like that I buddy people. It seems more like you want me to change my thought process rather than my actions being scummy.

 

[Zalak]

It's not though. It's been a common flaw of your playstyle.

I also have to question if your scum-read on me is based on my playstyle>anything I've actually done.

You've never questioned my pushes, you haven't asked me about my scum-hunting or questions, you haven't don anything besides comment on how you don't like that I buddy people. It seems more like you want me to change my thought process rather than my actions being scummy.

ohhhhh myyyyyyyyyy godddddddddddd duuudddddddddddddde

celes is my favorite DR character and you are ruining her for me.

and i have questioned your scum-hunting. off the top of my head, your reluctance to deal with slick's slot in any way. saying i haven't done anything except comment on how i don't like that you buddy from people is so far from the truth. the only instance of buddying that even bothered me was you and rosa because it started directly after you advocated against people jumping in to defend each other, which is exactly what Rosa was doing at that time.

 

[#HBC | J]

Reluctance? I was the one that hammered him out of the game and also had him on my list of people to die.

Get out with that nonsense.

 

[Zalak]

Reluctance? I was the one that hammered him out of the game and also had him on my list of people to die.

Get out with that nonsense.

oh my god, let me grab some quotes right now.

 

[Orboknown]

....
This is why i hate multi day ohase arguments