Mini Game | Werewolves win

[Zalak]

My playstyle is naturally passive, and it's gotten me almost lynched multiple times on these boards. I also don't generate as much content whenever I'm defending myself, because I'm worrying about Town being in MyLo and in a possible lose-state tomorrow if I get lynched today and another townie gets NK'd.

and this is coming from Spak "SELF-META IS GARBAGE" *Insert last name here*? I am feeling some hypocrisy here.

Also, I think that RR's inactiveness is VERY scummy behavior. He's been V/LA for a marriage (understandable), but literally nothing else has gone explained. I'm starting to think that this statment:

that seemed a bit too unnatural at the time is starting to look more like a forced joke from a coasting scum trying to convince us that he's townie.

I'm starting to agree with the notion of RR's inactivity being scummy. At first, I assumed it was just because he had recently replaced, but now, like a week later, the issue is still persisting, and I'm beginning to worry.

 

[Orboknown]

Ryu's been ridiculously inactive. I'm up for lynching him. Also fine with Spak. (Main reason: Apparent presence yet without making any sort of impact. Isn't indicative of any sort of scumhunting or significantly townie play)

Out of the other three, I'm really not sure.

J: He hasn't posted anything particularly damning. He's gotten ticked off at Zalak again, and as far as I can see he hasn't answered his questions. But he says he has, and I get the feeling I'm missing something big. @ Orboknown Thoughts on this?

Orbo: Kinda similar to J except instead of not answering questions, ThatSmasher's play is incriminating. But I could also see his play as merely scum, so logically, Orbo's slot should actually be one of the towniest. However, he also feels a bit absent, like Spak. I see his posts, and he talks with J and posts reads, but I don't get that much scumhunting/ initiative from him, so out of these three, he's probably the scummiest.

Zalak: Originally, I had him solidly as scum, with NK analysis and all the hype with J. But right now, that's mostly feeling T v. T. Zalak's points are... interesting (would like to hear J's reply), and it shows an obvious attempt at scumhunting. However, in some ways it feels contrived, having run throughout the entire game without end. It has cluttered the thread, without actually doing too much in its entirety. So... Zalak's also feels sus, but Orbo's previous slot's play and his current 'absence' are most telling imo, though it is close.

Town:
J & (maybe) Zalak

To-lynch list (in order):
Spak
RR
Orbo

i feel like theres this miscommunicatiin bridge involved where the replies on both sides aren't quite was priginally expected by the other one so its kinda just spiraled down, which is why im looking forward to Js response
Idk what you really expect me to say wrt your observations per me.

alright, well I think it'd be COOL if you could eventually look into those Slick posts you quoted a bit ago, cuz you said you thought they would be good to investigate. I get that you wanna hear from the other players, and I totally agree with that, but I also kinda wanna hear more from you right now.

Meh, minda getting a bit burned out with this three ring circus between you me n J so I'll dig into it soon

 

[Spak]

and this is coming from Spak "SELF-META IS GARBAGE" *Insert last name here*? I am feeling some hypocrisy here.

Point taken.

Anyways, I'm off to bed so I can get up at too-early-o-clock in the morning. Asta la Vista!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll be back with real thoughts, homework pilled up fast.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Like, you're all giving him a free pass on everything that he does, and I really don't see why.

I'm not though. I specifically pointed that out, just to raise awareness of it, and encourage an answer from him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu : Hi, I want to finalize this with you and I need more than just one-liners at this point because although my gut points to you being town and I don't see scum-vibes from your slot, but ironically you're a slot that I go back and forth on. Mainly because you hold the key to solving this puzzle for me and my PoE. If I can determine whether you are scum or town, I will be able to lock this game down.

The one read from you that is peculiar is your Orboknown dislike. You also say that you think Sparky is more than likely town as well. Those are two reads that are mirrored from mine. Your insistence on Orbo is because of TSYK and you say he hasn't done much to redeem that slot. Can you be more specific here? And also more on your Sparky town-lean.

Then, talk to me in regards to Zalak and Rosa. As I said to Orbo, I am feeling 50/50 on both slots because there is evidence that gives both of these slots town points and scum points. However, they could go either way. Help me discern this from your point of view especially after what you gained from your tirade on Zalak yesterDay.

Back to this, I've been doing one liners since I was at wedding for a bit, that is why Brewyu showed up over the weekend lol.

I haven't reread King of Koopas nor Slack at all to figure out likely mates. I want to once tomorrrow passes but eh, little bit busy with school atm making sure I do well.

Orbo dislike was due to the past slots play, less so given what he pushed and what flipped but overall he's not a werewolf me thinks, and that alone makes me not want to look hi way til we end the WW's night kills.

That will make the game actually winnable for town if we hit that. Same reason I do not want Doc to claim, I would like a fallback incase we do not lynch that.

If the last WW dies I am ok with that slot claiming whoever is the doc. Sparky wasn't ringing scum, kind of still hesitant but I should reread to see if I was mislead there on my read.

Zalak I still do not like, if he opposed the Slick wagon I definitely do not like his slot.

Idk about Rosa, still in limbo of, don't care to lynch.

 

[Zalak]

okay so i almost kinda feel bad about this, but there's at least one more thing about J that I forgot to mention.

I'm not sure what it was, but something caused J to say he wanted to do a re-read of me, but soon after that, he jumped straight onto back onto the Zalak wagon. That rubs me the wrong way, because one misslynch basically spelled instant death for the town at that point. If he thought I was worthy of a re-read, he shouldn't have tried to get me lynched. just saiyan, that's shifty imo.

Zalak I still do not like, if he opposed the Slick wagon I definitely do not like his slot.

I think I was actually one of the first members of the Slick Wagon. I would say I started it, but I'm pretty sure that was RadicalRat way back on Day 1.

 

[Zalak]

I'm not though. I specifically pointed that out, just to raise awareness of it, and encourage an answer from him.

oh, yeah, fair enough.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well let's get down to it now, shall we?

Accusation number 1:
You make good on your word until breaking it makes your slot look better.

You said you planned not to give out IC advice this game, but you did. The biggest issue I have with the IC advice you gave, is it was very clearly used to defend yourself. If you just changed your mind, and given some general IC tips, I would be fine with it, but there was a very clear way for a scum J to benefit from your actions. Admittedly, no matter what role you're playing, you could benefit from self-preservation, but what makes this MUCH MORE suspicious, is you didn't even follow the suspicious advice that you gave.

So let's begin with the pink. This is a lie and an untrue statement. I never once said that I was not going to give IC advice, I've been literally giving IC advice all game because it is my job. My job is to do the following: give advice to new players, help integrate new players into the community, play to my win-condition, and have fun. You say that I use the IC advice to defend myself, yet you do not even quote where I do as such. You say that I don't follow my own advice I've given, yet you don't bring up quotes or posts to how this statement is even true. Therefore, I have nothing more to say on the Pink.

My thought process about the whole situation? You disliked the fact that I gave you advice and disagreed with your case on Generic early on. Which segways into the next part of this quote:

@ RosalinaSGS I want ya to pay close attention here. actually, @everyone


Not only did you not say anything whenever Rosa jumped in to dispute my accusations against you for you, but you actually liked every single one of Rosa's posts defending you. That contradicts the already sketchy advice that you gave. The way I see it, either you don't actually believe in the advice yourself, or you decided to break the advice to help save your own skin. You were happy to let Rosa defend you, letting you stay silent, but when I asked for your input on Generic, stating that I would try to lynch him if no one said anything to change my mind, you decided to stay silent once again, despite apparently having something to add to the conversation.

The quote you are brining up is my response to you asking me to defend Generic and respond to your case against Generic because I disagreed with it. I laid out my reasons for disliking your case, but you choose to ignore that constantly.

I did like, not every, but a lot of posts by Rosa because I agreed with Rosa. You've like a lot of people's posts this game as well where you agreed with them on your train of thought, yet when an opposing party does it, it's scummy? That is not coherent logic.

You keep saying "sketchy advice" yet you do not quote it nor do you bring it up so I'm still sitting here scratching me head not being able to respond to this point. However, if your point is me "liking" Rosa's posts = me not dissecting your case against Generic, then that's incorrect again. I was saying that it was not my job to defend Generic nor was it my job to respond to your case. I did not stay silent in the Generic argument, but actually stated quite blatantly that I thought your case was stretchy, I disliked it, and it painted you in a negative light. I still stand by that fact. Nothing about your case was the reason people lynched Generic and you could even ask the wagoners that as well.

And one more time from both me and Rosa, NEITHER of us have defended each other. We simply have agreed with each other's logic. Just like myself and Orbo have. And just like myself and RR have. You are the only person in this game having a problem with my logic. You are trying to say that me and Rosa are just blatantly defending each other with no rhyme or reason to it and it's not true at all in the slightest. You are exasperating the situation to fit your agenda that "J and Rosa are buddy-buddy!" but you have yet to say how two people defending each other or even just agreeing with each other = scummy.

Defending or Buddying a slot is not scummy. You've failed to show how Rosa or me agreeing with each other = scummy and your first accussation is bologna. It doesn't provide where this "sketchy advice" is, brings up the point AGAIN about Generic that I have responded to in the past and the Rosa situation.

I will say this, if you have a problem with Rosa defending me and not looking at Orbo/RR for the same thing shows that you are tunneling in on things that fit your agenda rather than looking at all the pieces of the game.

(This accusation was not just 1 lol, it had 3 parts in it so I'm scared to really look into the others)

Accusation 2:
"Zalak ing sucks."

I hope that's not how you were planning on defending yourself from my first accusation. I can imagine you typing it while you read this. "Zalak, you don't know the first thing about forum mafia. Let me tell you something about this game,as you are now, you can't possibly beat me. You need at least 5000 more dark talisman energy crystals to even get close. Why would I, the strongest player in this list, need to give out false advice, and hide behind Rosa, when my only opposition is some noob with an ego?"

TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION THAT I IMAGINE YOU ASKING, not even the best players are safe from having to actually play this game. Being good doesn't give you a free win. You still have to pull sneaky moves. Just some SEMI-EXPERIENCED advice for you J, if you were planning to defend yourself by saying "nah, I wouldn't do that as scum", that's no good. A good defense would be something like "nah, I wouldn't do that as scum. here's why I did that as town".

It's debatable whether or not you have been using the mafia term of "OMGUS" on me (anyone who thinks this is interesting should go and re-read from near the end of D2 and through basically all of D2, so they can form their own opinions on this), but for a while now, you have literally been telling me I suck instead of actually defending yourself. Isn't that kind of like a variant on OMGUS? Where are your real defenses?

There's no accusation here. The first paragraph if you posing a hypothetical where you blurb on about me responding in a where I just swat you away (which was tempting after reading these paragraphs), but the second paragraph is where you begin to put your foot into your mouth more.

not even the best players are safe from having to actually play this game. Being good doesn't give you a free win. You still have to pull sneaky moves.

I've isolated this portion considering this is the only thing that I can directly respond to that isn't you ranting and trying to "teach me" how to play mafia. You are saying that I am not playing the game? How have I not been playing the game? Can you honestly tell me and the other players that I have not been searching for scum? Can you say that I have been sitting in the back not getting my hands dirty? Can you honestly say that I am being sneaky this game?

These are all rhetorical, by the way. The correct answer is I have been playing the game and been scum-hunting. I do not even need to cite sources here because the claim is ludicrous. To say that I am just skating by to a free win shows that this case is ill-developed and not any real evidence to back it up.

You do realize a big reason why people have me as town is because of my scum-hunting and the fact that I have been laying all my cards on the table which everyone seems to be nodding along and agreeing to?

I have nothing to say on the OMGUS (Oh-My-God-You-Suck). You've taken a whole road that I cannot even fathom. That term means that you start accusing someone for disagreeing with your pushes/your slot which you have done to me. However, I am not dredging that up. I have not been on you for you pushing my slot. I have been on you for your horrendous wacky pushes D1/D2 and the way you have been on my slot telling me to defend myself from imaginary accusations which is what this post is becoming to be.

It's a lot of air and no real foundation yet.

Accusation 3:

I find it very strange that the supposed strongest player in this game would not see through SlickWylde. He did a great deal of bandwagoning, and he tried very hard to appeal to every player. He remained incredibly neutral for most of the game, and only pushed when he knew there were others who agreed with him. You also ignored both Rosalina's accusation, and my accusation against Slick, only taking note of Orbo's accusation (comprised almost entirely of points that had already been made) from near the end of yesterDay.

Slick also acted incredibly odd towards you, listing you as scum, but seeming very disinterested in actually lynching you, but I suppose if you were town, you wouldn't know why Slick did the things that he did. I expected you to question him though... He didn't even give a reason for disliking your slot until I pushed him for it much later... hmm

I am going to say this very clearly. You are expecting me to nail every single scum? I'm sorry, but that's an unrealistic goal to have someone live up to for one and with regards to Slick, no one really had him as a scum-read. Everyone voted him at the end of the day-phase because he scum-slipped REALLY hard. You are saying that he was SUPER obvi-scum, yet he lived till D3. So by your logic, I'll throw it back at you, why wasn't he lynched earlier in the game if he wasn't so apparent?

Orbo was the first person to explain the Slick suspicion in a way that made sense and wasn't convoluted. Yes, that is true and I am sticking to that. I agreed with Orbo's reasoning > Yours and you've yet to show how your evidence against Slick was so damning and apparently exactly Orbo's reasoning so again...

I had questioned Slick in the past. I've literally questioned every slot and tried to connect myself to everyone to garner the best results. So yet again, another falsity in this post. I also stated that I wasn't interested in Slick at the time. I was focused on your slot and Sparky and Koops. I also can't explained Slick's odd behavior towards my slot. If I had to take a guess, he was probably being really cautious around my slot because I am the IC and his neutral posting style wouldn't want him to make waves against the main posters. You can see that because he gave you a town-read without even much explanation besides "Gut".

It goes two ways, you can't just pick and choose what you want to see and then call it truth.

Final Accusation:

You forgot your initial reason for accusing me of OMGUS'ING you, which makes me think your first reason wasn't legitimate at all. Illegitimate accusations are just about the scummiest thing in the universe.

I giggled pretty hard at the cyan. You are litterally throwing illegitimate accusations at my slot, not citing evidence, and not posting truth. So by your own logic, you should be the scummiest slot in this game, correct?

I jest (a bit), but I have never forgotten about calling you out for OMGUS and will continue to repeat myself. However, there's the fact that you say this:

Your first reason was for accusing me of OMGUS'ing you was that my push was back and forth, and I said you still warranted investigation after my NK analysis supposedly cleared you (which I explained only made you seem less likely to be a WW at the time). After I pointed this out, you changed the story. In my big push against you, I explicitly stated that

but you claimed that I was lying about the order at which things occurred, and quoted your first accusation against me, and my second accusation against you, leaving out my initial post against you from one day earlier than the other two. I explicitly mentioned that my first accusation was two in-game days ago, and you either didn't look for it, or saw it and left it out intentionally.

Which is directly taking quotes out of context and not truly showing the correct order of events, but what makes me look the worst in your way of the story. I never changed the story and I never changed what I said. So, I'm just saying your gripe here is that you want me to say that I OMGUS'd you first>you OMGUS'd me.

Let's pose the hypothetical:

Sure, you're correct. I OMGUS'd you first. How does that change literally anything? What does the order mean that is so damning against my slot? You have failed to prove or state how you being correct in that debate equates to me being scum. However, the thing you seem more hellbent on proving in this post is that you were "correct".

and then THIS
(more directed at the other players now)


makes me feel like I was on to something.

anyways, those are my biggest points.

And I'll repeat myself again, this was me expressing disinterest in debating you again because the conversation was going nowehere, the conversation was cluttering the thread and allowing people to just duck and dodge the thread. It was an eyesore of an argument between our two slots that didn't do anything besides help show everyone that I am town.

So I guess in a way, thanks for dragging me into this constant debate with you. It has helped show to everyone else (sans yourself and minor Sparky) that I am town. Now I've had an actual "wall battle" with you, there is literally no way you cannot say I haven't "defended" myself.

However, this wasn't even a case against me. It was more "I dislike that J disagrees with me and I find that scummy!" which leaves it to be lack-luster. There's nothing more for me to talk about in this post because it just is a regurgitated post of things we have already discussed which seriously could have been condensed into bullet points.

 

[#HBC | J]

This may have been misworded, but asking the IC J, shouldn't people try pushing everyone's slots in a game of Mafia? Like, maybe not as far as Zalak did unless someone's sure the other person is scum, but still, town is failing if there's an unpushed slot.

I am not saying that people shouldn't push everyone's slots in a game of mafia. You truly should, however, you can't hand-hold people through the entire game. I've been pushing every slot in the game in varying degrees, but no one else has really been getting into the nitty gritty and getting blood on their hands.

I don't really get the question besides yes, people should push slots haha.

 

[#HBC | J]

okay so i almost kinda feel bad about this, but there's at least one more thing about J that I forgot to mention.

I'm not sure what it was, but something caused J to say he wanted to do a re-read of me, but soon after that, he jumped straight onto back onto the Zalak wagon. That rubs me the wrong way, because one misslynch basically spelled instant death for the town at that point. If he thought I was worthy of a re-read, he shouldn't have tried to get me lynched. just saiyan, that's shifty imo.

I think I was actually one of the first members of the Slick Wagon. I would say I started it, but I'm pretty sure that was RadicalRat way back on Day 1.

I ran out of time in the Day-Phase since the phase was ending and I was just going to go back to gut. I could literally throw the logic back at you where you still wanted to lynch me yesterDay which would have been a ML until everyone in the town told you it wasn't happening. The re-read was for my final feel on your slot and to give benefit of the doubt.

I still think your slot has a higher ratio of flipping scum then Orbo/Rosa and probably even RR.

 

[#HBC | J]

Back to this, I've been doing one liners since I was at wedding for a bit, that is why Brewyu showed up over the weekend lol.

I haven't reread King of Koopas nor Slack at all to figure out likely mates. I want to once tomorrrow passes but eh, little bit busy with school atm making sure I do well.

Orbo dislike was due to the past slots play, less so given what he pushed and what flipped but overall he's not a werewolf me thinks, and that alone makes me not want to look hi way til we end the WW's night kills.

That will make the game actually winnable for town if we hit that. Same reason I do not want Doc to claim, I would like a fallback incase we do not lynch that.

If the last WW dies I am ok with that slot claiming whoever is the doc. Sparky wasn't ringing scum, kind of still hesitant but I should reread to see if I was mislead there on my read.

Zalak I still do not like, if he opposed the Slick wagon I definitely do not like his slot.

Idk about Rosa, still in limbo of, don't care to lynch.

RR, I'm kind of grumbling over here. You didn't really give me a scum-read at all and just a bunch of feels which cannot fly at this point in the game. The only reads I know about you for sure is your town-read on my slot and then your semi-scumreads on Zalak/Orbo but I don't know which one is stronger or who you would want to lynch toDay.

Currently it's still 3 people wanting Sparky toDay and only Zalak wanting my slot. You and Sparky at the two slots yet to take a direct stance on who should go toDay. So that's my next question, who dies toDay? One name.

 

[Spak]

Currently it's still 3 people wanting Sparky toDay and only Zalak wanting my slot. You and Sparky at the two slots yet to take a direct stance on who should go toDay. So that's my next question, who dies toDay? One name.

I'd be fine with you, RR or Zalak, but if I had to give one name, it's be RR. He has a tendency to slink out of the way whenever his name is mentioned in a negative light. He's been inactive most of the game but has been active just enough to register as "here" until recently, we have seen literally no pusing from his slot, and he has made suspicious posts in the past. At this point, I'm willing to:

Vote: @ #HBC | Red Ryu

Until he can come up with a decent defense.

 

[Orboknown]

Yep thats the J I've been missing in life

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR, I'm kind of grumbling over here. You didn't really give me a scum-read at all and just a bunch of feels which cannot fly at this point in the game. The only reads I know about you for sure is your town-read on my slot and then your semi-scumreads on Zalak/Orbo but I don't know which one is stronger or who you would want to lynch toDay.

Currently it's still 3 people wanting Sparky toDay and only Zalak wanting my slot. You and Sparky at the two slots yet to take a direct stance on who should go toDay. So that's my next question, who dies toDay? One name.

Zalak over Orbo.

Frankly I need a reread of the two slots that flipped but I don't have time for that right now, I got a lot of work on my plate today.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well, now we know everyone's lynch candiates for toDay.

Sparky (3): J, Rosa, Orbo
J (1): Zalak
Red Ryu (1): Sparky
Zalak (1): Red Ryu

Okie dokie, so I'm still feeling Sparky for toDay's purposes and can develop a case if I need to convince people to join onto the slot, but I think it would be overkill for toDay's purpose considering a lot of people are already okay with lynching Sparky and only one of RR/Zalak would need to be convinced to lynch Sparky.

Orbo/Rosa, Out of the other wagons, which would you join if say voting for Sparky was veto'd? Hypothetically that is. I would probably join Zalak because I feel more passionate about that slot of RR and plus the fact that RR has Sparky on it instantly makes me quiver and not want to go onto that wagon.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'd like to point out something regarding Zalak.

He's not scum-hunting. What he is doing is making a bluster about one slot until he can bull-dog that slot out of the game. He did that to Rat and Generic and the only notable thing he has done all game had been push my slot. His "case" on Slick didn't attribute to much and the only reason he seemed to move off was because he couldn't get my lynch. I do not see much in terms of scum-hunting intent and rather looking for who is the next viable lynch candidate.

The question I keep going back and forth on is if Zalak's switch onto Slick a bus at the end of the day? I'm mainly looking for WW toDay and I could see Sparky as either WW/Mafia. Zalak would make a lot more sense as Mafia then WW, but I wouldn't put it past Zalak to bus his other slot to gain some points. I have to re-read the situation and Zalak/Slick interaction because I feel the switch was almost like a literal light switch in my memory.

I just don't see the "let's lynch scum!" intent from Zalak, but more the "Let's lynch who I want! Don't lynch me!" feeling.

 

[Orboknown]

Well, now we know everyone's lynch candiates for toDay.

Sparky (3): J, Rosa, Orbo
J (1): Zalak
Red Ryu (1): Sparky
Zalak (1): Red Ryu

Okie dokie, so I'm still feeling Sparky for toDay's purposes and can develop a case if I need to convince people to join onto the slot, but I think it would be overkill for toDay's purpose considering a lot of people are already okay with lynching Sparky and only one of RR/Zalak would need to be convinced to lynch Sparky.

Orbo/Rosa, Out of the other wagons, which would you join if say voting for Sparky was veto'd? Hypothetically that is. I would probably join Zalak because I feel more passionate about that slot of RR and plus the fact that RR has Sparky on it instantly makes me quiver and not want to go onto that wagon.

If i couldn't go spak, whichever of ruy and Z has more votes. I literally would counflip if you told me to puck one

 

[Zalak]

Hold on, I am incredibly unsatisfied by that defense by J, but it's gonna take me a while to respond, because that was a huge post.

 

[Orboknown]

Well he didnwarn you

 

[Zalak]

Well he didnwarn you

i ain't complainin'

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't need your approval of my defense haha.

And don't make this a wall battle, for the sake of the other players.

 

[Zalak]

*GROANS* why can't I find this one quote

I don't need your approval of my defense haha.

And don't make this a wall battle, for the sake of the other players.

I don't need your approval to properly address all of your points.

 

[Spak]

@ RosalinaSGS @ Orboknown @ #HBC | J

Please tell me why you think I'm scum, in your own words. I've addressed every point that you guys have accused me with, answered all questions fairly directly, and you still seem confident that I'm Mafish or WWish. I emphasize the "In your own words" part to Rosa because so far, I've seen him do a LOT of parroting J. I don't want the conversation to die down because if I die, that would put me and at least one of you (I think Orbo's town as well) in a VERY bad spot.

 

[Zalak]

this is ruining my LIFE. I can't find the Orbo quote I'm looking for, but I KNOW it exists. (I wasn't looking for hours straight though. I took a large mafia break..)

 

[Orboknown]

What are you trying to find me saying

 

[Zalak]

the reasons you posted for disliking slick, to which J responded something along the lines of "these are some good points"

 

[Orboknown]

nah brah i aint getting lynched anytime soon lol

Slick has not scumhunted. Theres no drive to his posting nor has he made a solid stance in a good minute. Zaleks been constantly here, and even if thats not because hes town at least hes got the eagerness to hunt down the opposing faction from his.

?

 

[Zalak]

?

oh this might be it, but i'm not sure if J actually responded to this one directly? i thought i remembered J responding to a post of yours like this, saying that it was the first good piece of evidence against Slick or something. i don't wanna quote the wrong post.. hmm

 

[Zalak]

oh this might be it, but i'm not sure if J actually responded to this one directly? i thought i remembered J responding to a post of yours like this, saying that it was the first good piece of evidence against Slick or something. i don't wanna quote the wrong post.. hmm

nvm, i'm pretty sure this is the post, thanks.

 

[Orboknown]

I'll try to stop being a Negative Nancy, but this:

is the most obvious "Yay town! I'm totally a part of your group!" post I've ever seen.


But the Piledriver has been banned in most fighting arenas

Not what zalek was looking for but spak why did this jumpnout to you as screaming hey im town?

 

[Spak]

Not what zalek was looking for but spak why did this jumpnout to you as screaming hey im town?

The full post was this:

Lol it was not a scum slip. Two ww gaining up on me isn't as big of a deal. I just meant 2 people started the vote, one I'm pretty sure is town and the other I'm guessing is WW, but as soon as the mafia see 2 votes, they're going to vote for that person (unless he's mafia). So 2 people voted for me, and I assume the 3 mafia are going to seize that opportunity. But I can understand how it's good for you guys because it makes me look worse.
And I don't take any of this personally, I'm just town as it can be.
The doctor question is stupid and seems like a bait. Are you hoping I will say "I'm the doctor" assuming I'm lying that way you can bait out the real doctor if I'm not him?

I thought that it looked like a "Hey look, I'm town" statement because he made a non-seperated paragraph specifically for that one sentence that was literally "I'm just town as can be". It just kinda stuck out, he wanted everyone to see it, he was question-dodging J because he didn't want to claim for the risk of being counter-claimed (which would have sealed his fate), and it just sounded fake to me.

Looking back on it, though, I see the Negative Nancy (and Sassy Sally) in me kicked back in for one last post.

 

[Zalak]

Let me start by saying Celes is my favorite Dangan Ronpa character, so #respect.

So let's begin with the pink. This is a lie and an untrue statement. I never once said that I was not going to give IC advice, I've been literally giving IC advice all game because it is my job. My job is to do the following: give advice to new players, help integrate new players into the community, play to my win-condition, and have fun. You say that I use the IC advice to defend myself, yet you do not even quote where I do as such. You say that I don't follow my own advice I've given, yet you don't bring up quotes or posts to how this statement is even true. Therefore, I have nothing more to say on the Pink.

Okay, let me begin by saying, most of the things I didn't quote are things I figured you would have all remembered. I feel like you're just slowing this process down, refusing to give a proper defense until I list allllll of the quotes. Let me grab the quote for you.

Well I can see you giving mafia tips as scummy because it seems you are feigning content rather than looking for scum. Especially recently as of earlier. I would also advise on just focusing on playing the game instead of giving mafia tips because that is what the ICs are around to do. However, I am taking the approach of just playing the game and giving a thematic view of how a lot of people play the game and then answer questions as people need them.
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There you go. I don't see why I needed to show you that. Did you not remember? Did you not actually mean this when you said it? I find it odd that you would forget how you planned to play this game.

And one more time from both me and Rosa, NEITHER of us have defended each other. We simply have agreed with each other's logic. Just like myself and Orbo have. And just like myself and RR have. You are the only person in this game having a problem with my logic.

The bolded is kind of a bold statement.

I don't believe I said you were defending Rosa. Buddying up with Rosa, yes, but not defending. My issue is that you never had a problem with Rosa always jumping in to defend you, even though it doesn't agree with the IC advice that you gave, WHICH I QUOTED IN MY LAST POST. I am not quoting it now, because I do not want to clog up this game.

When he says, I'm giving you advice as an IC, he means that it's good advice, and applies generally, not just in this particular case. And I agree with the advice he gave. Yes, he used it to ignore your point, but he's explaining why he is and giving you some legitimate advice. Like, actually, that's good advice. Trust him. He wouldn't be IC if he was going to abuse it.

Also, with J, he says that he doesn't consider what you've asked important. So why not just ask more questions? Eventually, one must be appropriate.

Particularly in the early parts of yesterday, I feel Rosa was giving you an easy time. Rosa even kinda admits to it.

Upon re-reading, it could seem I'm defending J excessively. But seriously, I'm not. Ask anyone, and they'll agree with me and J on your current push.

This is what Rosa said yesterday, but their opinion seems to have changed today, agreeing that you has gotten away without a proper defense for too long. @ RosalinaSGS Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'd love to hear your opinion on this argument/whole situation.

Defending or Buddying a slot is not scummy. You've failed to show how Rosa or me agreeing with each other = scummy and your first accussation is bologna. It doesn't provide where this "sketchy advice" is, brings up the point AGAIN about Generic that I have responded to in the past and the Rosa situation.

This is a big one. A BIG REASON... J IS SCUM
@everyone

It's scummy for YOU, because you were way too compliant about something that you disagree with, having outside players jump in to dispute the claims of another. In fact, the first instance of Rosalina doing this was actually directly after you said that was a bad idea, and that advice of yours was actually the main topic of conversation. The fact that you didn't liked Rosa's post instead of calling it out makes me think you don't actually believe in the advice you gave at all. Either that, or you decided to ignore it, because at that moment, that advice didn't fit YOUR agenda. You either gave false advice to fit your agenda, or ignored good advice to fit your agenda. Neither. of. those. is. a. town. play.

I am going to say this very clearly. You are expecting me to nail every single scum? I'm sorry, but that's an unrealistic goal to have someone live up to for one and with regards to Slick, no one really had him as a scum-read. Everyone voted him at the end of the day-phase because he scum-slipped REALLY hard. You are saying that he was SUPER obvi-scum, yet he lived till D3. So by your logic, I'll throw it back at you, why wasn't he lynched earlier in the game if he wasn't so apparent?

RadicalRat did. RadicalRat had him as a WW on day one. I began to look into him on day 2. The real issue here is as far as I can remember, you didn't even push the slot..... ever, and you ignored accusations made against Slick until Orbo's.

Orbo was the first person to explain the Slick suspicion in a way that made sense and wasn't convoluted. Yes, that is true and I am sticking to that. I agreed with Orbo's reasoning > Yours and you've yet to show how your evidence against Slick was so damning and apparently exactly Orbo's reasoning so again...

IGNORING THE NK ANALYSIS THAT YOU ALL HATE SO MUCH (though the analysis and his reaction to it are contributing factors), he seems hyper-focused on finding the truth. I feel like he should be more driven by like, specific goals that he has developed during this game (such as how I get caught up in pushing people I think are scum), but he's always posting things like "alright, I liked Zalak's points, but let's hear Generic's side of the story now". To me, that seems like he's just trying to remind us that he has the town's best interest at heart. Also, like I've stated earlier, he's barely put himself out there at all. LASTLY, he sometimes posts things like "argh this is so confusing", and I feel like those posts are just there to remind us that he's not scum so he knows nothing.

Slick has not scumhunted. Theres no drive to his posting nor has he made a solid stance in a good minute. Zaleks been constantly here, and even if thats not because hes town at least hes got the eagerness to hunt down the opposing faction from his.

I have color-coded the similarities in our reasons for disliking Slick's slot. Mine was posted earlier. Again, I was one of the first pushers of Slick. I haven't let my quest to get you lynched prevent me from looking into other slots, that's just something you've made up.

@ Orboknown Do you agree that J seemed very reluctant to take a good look at Slick's slot, and the accusations made against Slick?

I giggled pretty hard at the cyan. You are litterally throwing illegitimate accusations at my slot, not citing evidence, and not posting truth. So by your own logic, you should be the scummiest slot in this game, correct?

yeah okay, this one is definitely #my b. I should have clarified. I meant accusations that you don't actually believe in yourself, not accusations without cited sources. i say mafia is a game of truth vs deception, and anyone playing on team deception needs 2 be lynched, unless they have a clear townie motive 4 their deception.

I AM HOWEVER, posting truth. so far, any lie you have accused me of, i have proven to not be a lie. if you're gonna try 2 dispute this, please gimmie one example of a "lie" that has yet to be proven as not being a lie.

Otherwise, keep throwing FUD my direction.

(SORRY, ROSA)

Which is directly taking quotes out of context and not truly showing the correct order of events, but what makes me look the worst in your way of the story. I never changed the story and I never changed what I said. So, I'm just saying your gripe here is that you want me to say that I OMGUS'd you first>you OMGUS'd me.

You're the one who is STILL refusing to acknowledge my first accusation against you from 3 in-game days ago. I ON THE OTHER HAND...

I probably could have cut this down a bit.................. Most of the stuff I mentioned in my final accusation happened on page 40 btw.

I actually think it's a good idea for all ya'll to re-read page 40, because I feel like that was a weird exchange between me and J.

It's debatable whether or not you have been using the mafia term of "OMGUS" on me (anyone who thinks this is interesting should go and re-read from near the end of D2 and through basically all of D2, so they can form their own opinions on this)

encourage people to educate themselves, so they can get a full view of what happened, and decide for themselves what they think about it.

Sure, you're correct. I OMGUS'd you first. How does that change literally anything? What does the order mean that is so damning against my slot? You have failed to prove or state how you being correct in that debate equates to me being scum. However, the thing you seem more hellbent on proving in this post is that you were "correct".

okay, first of all, it takes two to argue, but two people can't OMGUS each other. That's not how OMGUS'ing works. There has to be a non OMGUS-related reason for the first push to begin. You OMGUS'ing me is damning on your slot for two reasons.
#1 OMGUS'ing is inherently scummy.
#2 It means your OMGUS claim on me was illegitimate. AN ACCUSATION, that you yourself do not believe in.

If you actually cared about the truth, you would have at least MENTIONED my D1 accusation against you in some way shape or form. But as I continue to bring it up, you continue to ignore it completely.

@ Spak @ Orboknown @ RosalinaSGS @ #HBC | Red Ryu

This is what J has been doing all game. There have been so many signs like this that show he does not care about the truth. He cares about ya'll's perception of him. He makes sure everything he acknowledges looks good for him. He's willing to deny and ignore facts in his accusations just to suit him. I DO NOT THINK that is how a town member plays.

 

[Zalak]

alright, I'm gonna admit, this post probably could have been cut down too. I'm gonna make an effort to shorten my posts significantly in the future. I should probably start using the preview feature so I can get a good look at my post's length before posting it.

 

[Zalak]

HOWEVER, this is all really good stuff IMO, and ya'll should give it a good read.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'll probably respond tomorrow, but overall still seeing a lot holes in the "case" just from a cursory glance. It still heavily revolves around not my play, but my disagreeing with you this game.

 

[Zalak]

I'll probably respond tomorrow, but overall still seeing a lot holes in the "case" just from a cursory glance. It still heavily revolves around not my play, but my disagreeing with you this game.

no it doesn't

it's totally cool that you wanna respond tomorrow though. that post took a lot of energy out of me. right now I just feel like playing some oldschool runescape

 

[#HBC | J]

Actually, I can hit your "big reason J is scum" thing real quick in a few words.

Your big reason having me as scum is for letting Rosa post his opinion on things, and not attacking him for things that I agreed with. There was no reason for me to be on Rosa and there is nothing wrong with buddying or letting other people talk if they say things I endorsed. I wasn't defending myself because literally Rosa beat me to the punch most the time and I am not gonna say the same thing over and over. You say it is scummy for me specifically, but again, your evidence isn't convincing otherwise other people would agree. However, they agree to the notion that Rosa and I (and Orbo...and RR) have all come to the same decisions and logical conclusions on our own merit. Orbo has defended me, I haven't said anything there. RR has defended me, I Haven't said anything there. Yet, you fail to see when I have been questioning all of these slots. You dislike that I had an ally in your bully posting against my slot which Rat and Generic did not have.

You continously say that I gave out false advice or went against my own advice to fit my own agenda and I really think this is just a misunderstanding at this point because you are literally the only slot that thinks this and it's really off-base from anything I have said or done this game.

Your point is really weak.

 

[#HBC | J]

Zalak, why do you think you are the only one that thinks I am scum? Everyone else in the game has me as their strongest town-read (sans Sparky). You do realize that, correct?

You've been on me for almost 20 pgs. now and not a single thing has changed. I actually think your case has made people's town-read in me much stronger.

Your case is doing the opposite of what you hope to accomplish and I find it hilariously ironic.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Stop tagging me, I just said I can't deal with this today.