Mini Game | Werewolves win

[#HBC | J]

I'll be back to post during environmental studies!

I'm such a bad student...who has a 4.0 GPA....

 

[Orboknown]

So, what about TSYK. Do you guys feel like it was just his noobyness? I still have him as my top target. Either we need to lynch him, or you guys need to convince me of someone else's guilt, because I've only seen small details about other players.
I'd like to see every player post a paragraph about TSYK.

It is a bummer @ #HBC | Red Ryu isn't posting though, makes it a little unfair, because we have nothing to judge him off.
Now that we have two of the big inactives, @ RosalinaSGS and @ #HBC | J , we should get some intel on them.

@RosalinaSGS Have you accused anyone? You'll need to remind me. I see you casting doubt on Zalak, but then don't accuse him.

@ #HBC | J Do you know the arguments regarding TSYK? You say you have questions regarding him. I'd love to know what those questions are, and if you're leaning town or scum on him.

Also you mention RR needing to talk to you? RR is dead. Maybe I misunderstood.

Because it was a stupid accusation in the first place. I, along with a few others, never even gave it a second thought, and even argued against it.

@*GenericHandle* Give me your thoughts on TSYK. I'd also like to know why you say I'm playing it safe.

Okay, here's my reads:

TSYK: SCUM (I don't buy the whole noob thing. I keep seeing people saying "Well he's posting better" but I haven't seen that at all
Red Ryu: Null - He really needs to post more.
Generic: Slight slight slight town (His points against me have been pretty good and hasn't just tried to force a vote)
GreedReaper: Scum read. I don't like the way he brought me up and TSYK on day 2.
On page 25, GreenReaper said this:
"ThatSmasherYouKnow is still pretty suspicious in my eyes. He needs some more investigation though as one of my points against him turned out to be false. I also want to hear more from Spak. Most of his posts seem to just be explaining why he hasn't been active. In addition, I've got a bad feeling about the Omar slot.
Also, I see some people think Slick might be scum, while I've got him as a town lean. What exactly makes him suspicious? Did I miss something?"
HBC J: Null - I hear he's an experienced player, so I doubt he'd give himself away super easily. I really want to hear him make a strong statement about someone.
KingOfKoopas: Null - People were accusing him on day one, but that seems to have stopped.
Spak - Slight Scum read - Hasn't posted enough. None of his posts have been that helpful in my opinion. Is he the one who said we should hang RedRyu do to inactivity? Because if so, that's a huge red flag.
Zalak: Slight slight scum read - I know I'm going to be alone in this, but I think he seems too town. Whenever someone goes out of their way to post funny things, it seems suspicious to me. For those who play with him, does he play the same way every game?
Rosalina- Haven't really seen too much to base an opinion on. But I'll agree with others that he doesn't seem to have contributed that much to the conversation.

My top 3 scum reads:
TSYK
GreenReaper
Spak
Who am I missing?

Posts to look at later after work imi

 

[#HBC | J]

I am going through D2 and literally Koops gave nothing. All the people he said were really scummy were the people we've lynched. =_=

However, I've found some gems I need to polish. But *shakes fist* @TheKingofKoopas

 

[Orboknown]

I mean
Good job on his part lol. Means he did right

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah, it's frustrating for a studying J. The connections will have to come about through how people interacted towards him which is a bigger pain in the butt to analyze.

Oh well. C'est la vie

 

[Zalak]

I mean
Good job on his part lol. Means he did right

Or his PARTNERS did right.

or a combination of both.

btw, @ #HBC | J , I am working on my list of accusations, I'm just spending a lot of time on it, making sure it's as ultimate as possible.

 

[#HBC | J]

Just do bullet points haha. If it's a wall, it will clog the thread and you've already walled at me enough this game.

Make it succinct.

 

[#HBC | J]

That moment when you literally have two polar opposite reads on the same slot.

TSYK = Scummy as hell
Orbo = Towny as hell

I hate replacements in late-game re-reads.

 

[Orboknown]

Just do bullet points haha. If it's a wall, it will clog the thread and you've already walled at me enough this game.

Make it succinct.

this lol. If its long as hell I'm not gonna wanna read it lol

That moment when you literally have two polar opposite reads on the same slot.

TSYK = Scummy as hell
Orbo = Towny as hell

I hate replacements in late-game re-reads.

yeah but I'm the one here now lol

 

[#HBC | J]

Orbo you know that's not a fair response lol. You're still gucci in my book, you're slot is just that "This slot will be my downfall" if I get you wrong.

And I'm not gonna respond to it if it's obnoxiously long. Mainly due to my exhaustion regarding your walls I've previously expressed.

 

[#HBC | J]

That was the worst error of "you're" I've ever made. #Sobbing

 

[Orboknown]

Orbo you know that's not a fair response lol. You're still gucci in my book, you're slot is just that "This slot will be my downfall" if I get you wrong.

And I'm not gonna respond to it if it's obnoxiously long. Mainly due to my exhaustion regarding your walls I've previously expressed.

Yeah i know lol. I just feel like by now everything I'vedone should makenit apparent im towb

 

[Zalak]

Just do bullet points haha. If it's a wall, it will clog the thread and you've already walled at me enough this game.

Make it succinct.

it is far too late for bullet points, but i'll try to make it more concise than it is right now.

 

[Orboknown]

it is far too late for bullet points, but i'll try to make it more concise than it is right now.

Well shiet.

 

[Spak]

The only thing that REALLY stuck out was Rosa's vote when going back through things. That's really making my head scratch because why would you vote Koops especially if Slick had a majority votes already and no one seemed to be voting Koops. Idk, again, it's weird and I have to see if Rosa did that AFTER the slip or not because if it was after I would say that is more damning that if it was before. However, I found something else.

The Rosa vote for Koops was when Slick only had one vote if I remember correctly.

At the time, Sparky had a really big scum-read on Zalak and a minor FoS on Slick, but decided to follow Zalak onto Slick with very little push. It seems very fishy to me that someone would follow that big a scum-read on a littler scum-read. Something is up regarding that and I am trying to debate if it is Scum-Buddy-esque or just general scumminess. That's how Sparky has been a lot with his scum-reads where he just follows people onto whatever seems the most popular wagon and somehow get himself onto it without actually being liable for getting blood on his hands for the push.

I was willing to lynch either that day, but was trying to get as much info out of the day as I could since I knew that Orbo would hammer if I put Zalak at L-1. I probably wouldn't have delayed as much if we had a longer twilight in a game with more flavor text (like anything Bard hosts). By the time I got to the 24-hour point and was available, the Zalak push had already reversed itself and was redirected onto Slick. Also, if you look back, I actually voted Slick before Zalak did, so I don't know why you're insistent on me following him.

The sheepish gameplay, though is something you've complained about and wanted me lynched for in both games we've played together though, so I don't think you should be accusing from just that. Whenever I tried to push you and was slightly sassy, you suddenly claimed "OoC" and thought I was scum, so I don't know how to help you see that my play is genuine.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

The only thing that REALLY stuck out was Rosa's vote when going back through things. That's really making my head scratch because why would you vote Koops especially if Slick had a majority votes already and no one seemed to be voting Koops. Idk, again, it's weird and I have to see if Rosa did that AFTER the slip or not because if it was after I would say that is more damning that if it was before. However, I found something else.

At the time, Sparky had a really big scum-read on Zalak and a minor FoS on Slick, but decided to follow Zalak onto Slick with very little push. It seems very fishy to me that someone would follow that big a scum-read on a littler scum-read. Something is up regarding that and I am trying to debate if it is Scum-Buddy-esque or just general scumminess. That's how Sparky has been a lot with his scum-reads where he just follows people onto whatever seems the most popular wagon and somehow get himself onto it without actually being liable for getting blood on his hands for the push.

Sparky is an intriguing slot I'm excited to read more into because I feel like his lynch needs to happen toDay>everyone and before toMorrow happens.

At that time I hadn't read up to where everyone had focussed up to Slick yet. Similarly, I was keeping up to date on the most recent page of posts, but ignored Slick's slip up on the previous page. So, I voted Koops as a filler, although I was just as good with a Slick lynch.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

The Rosa vote for Koops was when Slick only had one vote if I remember correctly.


I was willing to lynch either that day, but was trying to get as much info out of the day as I could since I knew that Orbo would hammer if I put Zalak at L-1. I probably wouldn't have delayed as much if we had a longer twilight in a game with more flavor text (like anything Bard hosts). By the time I got to the 24-hour point and was available, the Zalak push had already reversed itself and was redirected onto Slick. Also, if you look back, I actually voted Slick before Zalak did, so I don't know why you're insistent on me following him.

The sheepish gameplay, though is something you've complained about and wanted me lynched for in both games we've played together though, so I don't think you should be accusing from just that. Whenever I tried to push you and was slightly sassy, you suddenly claimed "OoC" and thought I was scum, so I don't know how to help you see that my play is genuine.

lol, pretty sure Slick was already hammered by that point, cos of my night time phase posts.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Wait no, ****. My vote came right before his slip-up, in my previous series of posts. But I hadn't read up either way and wasn't aware of a Slick lynch about to happen.

 

[Zalak]

TSYK = Scummy as hell

DON'T THINK HE WAS REALLY THAT BAD

 

[RosalinaSGS]

I'm game with this

Spaks prolly 65 70 percent scum for me. He's very...floaty, i guess. Like hes kinda here but he isn't and his content doesn't scream town or scum. I just can't see him being town over ryu zalek or rosa i wanna say this ks svt except ****in ruy. They're defs not same alignment by this point, as i don't feel like the argument shebang between them was contrived at all. Zaleks been getting better when hes not focusing just one alleyway of doom and .jpg fury at someone, but then he gets in those ruts where its just bad
Rosas been solid but lately its like a small roll downhill woth late yesterday and all these i wanna do this but this posts. Could be townie confusion, could be scum not sure where to push
ruys posting, when hes been here, has been mostly solid. But i can't wrap my head around some of his reads and i dunno if hes playing better because he has an opposing scumteam to hunt (lkke how indy ryu is better than scumryu) or what. i swear this isn't some FE:A level bs I'm pulling haha
The only thing imma mention towards the ryu part is that i remember him as scum veryuch so not working/looking at scumchat so he can do his own thing uninfluenced during the day
Goddamnit this is hard to pick right now
Gun to head, i almost wanna say zalek. I really don't think hes stupid enough to keep pulling himself into these baits with you, but this is like hes got 35.3 percent of the vote and ruy and rosa both have 32.3

Why can't we be the same alignment. The only major friction between us was on his NK analysis and my rant against him. In terms of legitimate arguments, NK analysis is just personal choice, on which I strongly object to, but can't be indicative of allegiance unless it really sucks. (though all NK analysis sucks imo, but this is getting off-topic) And my rant was a massive over-reaction to... something. Looking back, I think it may just have been frustration over having to deal with the same topics, the same arguments over and over again.
tbh, right now I've got Zalak as town. The main turning point was his reply to my post, in which he raised pretty good points against me. Additionally, I believe his posts against J now have some merit to them, as he didn't reply to Zalak's accusation. (Also @ Zalak You still haven't raised your three main points against J IIRC) If you consider that, there isn't much of a case for scumZalak and I can reasonably see him as town.

 

[Orboknown]

Why can't we be the same alignment. The only major friction between us was on his NK analysis and my rant against him. In terms of legitimate arguments, NK analysis is just personal choice, on which I strongly object to, but can't be indicative of allegiance unless it really sucks. (though all NK analysis sucks imo, but this is getting off-topic) And my rant was a massive over-reaction to... something. Looking back, I think it may just have been frustration over having to deal with the same topics, the same arguments over and over again.
tbh, right now I've got Zalak as town. The main turning point was his reply to my post, in which he raised pretty good points against me. Additionally, I believe his posts against J now have some merit to them, as he didn't reply to Zalak's accusation. (Also @ Zalak You still haven't raised your three main points against J IIRC) If you consider that, there isn't much of a case for scumZalak and I can reasonably see him as town.

I dont see you kn same scun team lol

 

[Spak]

I dont see you kn same scun team lol

But Mafia was NK'd and WW have the only night action...

 

[RosalinaSGS]

The Rosa vote for Koops was when Slick only had one vote if I remember correctly.


I was willing to lynch either that day, but was trying to get as much info out of the day as I could since I knew that Orbo would hammer if I put Zalak at L-1. I probably wouldn't have delayed as much if we had a longer twilight in a game with more flavor text (like anything Bard hosts). By the time I got to the 24-hour point and was available, the Zalak push had already reversed itself and was redirected onto Slick. Also, if you look back, I actually voted Slick before Zalak did, so I don't know why you're insistent on me following him.

The sheepish gameplay, though is something you've complained about and wanted me lynched for in both games we've played together though, so I don't think you should be accusing from just that. Whenever I tried to push you and was slightly sassy, you suddenly claimed "OoC" and thought I was scum, so I don't know how to help you see that my play is genuine.

This isn't really much of a defence. You could have simply said something along the lines of "You still didn't answer my question" or "I don't care if it's OoC. You can't say I'm scum just off of meta." Basically, any sort of decent reply would have worked, and you would've been able to continue pushing.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

I dont see you kn same scun team lol

Oh, right. Only one of us is town. kk

But Mafia was NK'd and WW have the only night action...

There's still 2 mafia.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

can be town*

 

[Spak]

This isn't really much of a defence. You could have simply said something along the lines of "You still didn't answer my question" or "I don't care if it's OoC. You can't say I'm scum just off of meta." Basically, any sort of decent reply would have worked, and you would've been able to continue pushing.

I probably could have, but it was apparently a big enough change of playstyle to convince half of the freakin' thread that I was scum and almost put us in another round of MyLo.

 

[Spak]

Oh, right. Only one of us is town. kk

There's still 2 mafia.

I know, I thought Orbo was saying that he didn't see you NKing a scum on your team, which would be inaccurate because there is only a single WW left.

 

[Zalak]

@ #HBC | J There is no ing way I would pass up an opportunity to actually have you answer questions and defend yourself.

Accusation number 1:
You make good on your word until breaking it makes your slot look better.

You said you planned not to give out IC advice this game, but you did. The biggest issue I have with the IC advice you gave, is it was very clearly used to defend yourself. If you just changed your mind, and given some general IC tips, I would be fine with it, but there was a very clear way for a scum J to benefit from your actions. Admittedly, no matter what role you're playing, you could benefit from self-preservation, but what makes this MUCH MORE suspicious, is you didn't even follow the suspicious advice that you gave.

@ RosalinaSGS I want ya to pay close attention here. actually, @everyone

Zalak, I'm giving you advice as an IC.

If person A makes a case against person B, it is not person C/D/E/F/G/etc.'s job to dispute the case that A made against B.

The only reasons one would do that is if 1.) They were passionate about their read of Person B. 2.) They had proof that person A was wrong on Person B. 3.) They are being too nosy for their own business.

You're bringing up a really faulty point against me and keep trying to throw it in my face. It was not my place to dispute your case, I was not interested in doing so, and it would have hindered the connections you two were drawing to each other and the views of those watching. It would have muddled the argument and the game would have become more convoluted then it already has been with the constant borderline spamming of the thread that happened pages ago.

Not only did you not say anything whenever Rosa jumped in to dispute my accusations against you for you, but you actually liked every single one of Rosa's posts defending you. That contradicts the already sketchy advice that you gave. The way I see it, either you don't actually believe in the advice yourself, or you decided to break the advice to help save your own skin. You were happy to let Rosa defend you, letting you stay silent, but when I asked for your input on Generic, stating that I would try to lynch him if no one said anything to change my mind, you decided to stay silent once again, despite apparently having something to add to the conversation.

Accusation 2:
"Zalak ing sucks."

I hope that's not how you were planning on defending yourself from my first accusation. I can imagine you typing it while you read this. "Zalak, you don't know the first thing about forum mafia. Let me tell you something about this game,as you are now, you can't possibly beat me. You need at least 5000 more dark talisman energy crystals to even get close. Why would I, the strongest player in this list, need to give out false advice, and hide behind Rosa, when my only opposition is some noob with an ego?"

TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION THAT I IMAGINE YOU ASKING, not even the best players are safe from having to actually play this game. Being good doesn't give you a free win. You still have to pull sneaky moves. Just some SEMI-EXPERIENCED advice for you J, if you were planning to defend yourself by saying "nah, I wouldn't do that as scum", that's no good. A good defense would be something like "nah, I wouldn't do that as scum. here's why I did that as town".

It's debatable whether or not you have been using the mafia term of "OMGUS" on me (anyone who thinks this is interesting should go and re-read from near the end of D2 and through basically all of D2, so they can form their own opinions on this), but for a while now, you have literally been telling me I suck instead of actually defending yourself. Isn't that kind of like a variant on OMGUS? Where are your real defenses?

Accusation 3:

I find it very strange that the supposed strongest player in this game would not see through SlickWylde. He did a great deal of bandwagoning, and he tried very hard to appeal to every player. He remained incredibly neutral for most of the game, and only pushed when he knew there were others who agreed with him. You also ignored both Rosalina's accusation, and my accusation against Slick, only taking note of Orbo's accusation (comprised almost entirely of points that had already been made) from near the end of yesterDay.

Slick also acted incredibly odd towards you, listing you as scum, but seeming very disinterested in actually lynching you, but I suppose if you were town, you wouldn't know why Slick did the things that he did. I expected you to question him though... He didn't even give a reason for disliking your slot until I pushed him for it much later... hmm

Final Accusation:

You forgot your initial reason for accusing me of OMGUS'ING you, which makes me think your first reason wasn't legitimate at all. Illegitimate accusations are just about the scummiest thing in the universe.

However, I would rather pressure your slot because your reaching statements come across as scummy and trying to paint people in a poor light rather than looking for scum-tells. Especially with your case on Generic, your back and forth push on my slot, and just your insistence of very obscure things like the WIFOM case which "cleared" me and someone else, but now you are saying I still warrant investigation. To me, it looks like you are saying that myself and Orbo need to be looked upon because we are looking at your slot in more detail. That looks OMGUS (Oh-My-God-You-Suck)

"Especially with your case on Generic, your back and forth push on my slot, and just your insistence of very obscure things like the WIFOM case which "cleared" me and someone else, but now you are saying I still warrant investigation"

this right here.

That's not a direct quote, you do realize that?

Anyways, you are OMGUS'ing me. I have not said it was back and forth, you've been on me for a while now. And yesterDay you said that I was cleared due to the Kary NK, those are your words, not mine.

Your first reason was for accusing me of OMGUS'ing you was that my push was back and forth, and I said you still warranted investigation after my NK analysis supposedly cleared you (which I explained only made you seem less likely to be a WW at the time). After I pointed this out, you changed the story. In my big push against you, I explicitly stated that

My first "accusation" against you was actually TWO IN-GAME DAYS AGO.

but you claimed that I was lying about the order at which things occurred, and quoted your first accusation against me, and my second accusation against you, leaving out my initial post against you from one day earlier than the other two. I explicitly mentioned that my first accusation was two in-game days ago, and you either didn't look for it, or saw it and left it out intentionally.

and then THIS
(more directed at the other players now)

alright well i quoted the entire post in my recent push against you, so all ya need to do is look up there to confirm it

*facepalm*

I'm calling this debate over. You are distracting me way too much from finding who else is scum.

makes me feel like I was on to something.

anyways, those are my biggest points.

 

[Zalak]

I probably could have cut this down a bit.................. Most of the stuff I mentioned in my final accusation happened on page 40 btw.

ANYWAYS @ #HBC | J I REQUIRE ACTUAL DEFENSES FROM YOU. YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO INSULT THE QUALITY OF MY ACCUSATIONS AFTER YOU'RE DONE DEFENDING MYSELF, UNLESS THE INSULTS ARE GENUINELY A CRITICAL PART OF YOUR DEFENSE, IN WHICH CASE, I WOULD GUESS YOUR DEFENSES ARE NOT VERY GOOD.

 

[Zalak]

oh, and if J DOES refuse to make legitimate defenses, can we please all vote for him? I really think ya'll have been letting him get away with too much.

 

[Orboknown]

can be town*

Eh. Moreso at this point i dont see both of you being mafia. Theres an outside chance yall cen both be town

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll get to the stuff here in a bit.

 

[#HBC | J]

Jeezus, there was incredibly condescending and not nearly as factual as I thought it was going to be. I will get to your post probably tomorrow because I just am dreadfully exhausted from callbacks this evening. (*fingers crossed guys*, they went really well!)

 

[Orboknown]

So i just finished gurren lagaan and figuredid come back and mafia...
Then theres nothing here

 

[Zalak]

I just am dreadfully exhausted from callbacks this evening. (*fingers crossed guys*, they went really well!)

Nice B)

Jeezus, there was incredibly condescending and not nearly as factual as I thought it was going to be.

i was slightly salty while writing accusation 2, because you have basically been berating me all game. accusation 2 is still true btw. the rest is also true. and dude, i said you have to wait until AFTER you defend yourself to criticize my accusations.

 

[Zalak]

I actually think it's a good idea for all ya'll to re-read page 40, because I feel like that was a weird exchange between me and J.

 

[Zalak]

oh, and everyone please pay close attention to the way J responds. I believe this to be a CRITICAL moment in this game.

 

[Zalak]

i said you have to wait until AFTER you defend yourself to criticize my accusations.

that is unless the criticism is a key part in a defense..

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm cranky because I am tired an hangry. And also dude, people have emotions/feelings lmao. I can and will say what I want.

I swear, show me this book of mafia/the way you play because it's morbidly incorrect and you keep trying to tell me how to play mafia when I've been playing for years on this site in particular yet you act as if you have the gumption to mock me.

I'm not playing games no more Zalak, you're getting your response. And you're gonna drown in the wall that's coming your way.

Thank god I removed the "play nice" gloves. @ Orboknown and @ #HBC | Red Ryu will prep you on what you are in for, they've been on the receiving end before and seen.

You've made a mistake pushing my slot when I'm town.

 

[Orboknown]

Uhhhhh
Lemme go find pulp fiction maf real quick....
Or would you vs cello in RG be a better example?