Mini Game | Werewolves win

[#HBC | J]

Have YOU actually been reading? You constantly seem to be forgetting or denying things, and I'm wondering if you're intentionally trying to be deceptive, or if you're just not paying attention.

You're literally using a mirror defense now.

You're turning what I've been saying against you for a while now and trying to say that I'm doing it.

 

[Zalak]

To differentiate between IRL day and Game Day, use these.

Today = IRL
toDay = Game Day

Yesterday = lol
YesterDay = Game last phase.

It's much easier to see/type the difference.

thank ye , that's super handy

 

[Zalak]

You're literally using a mirror defense now.

You're turning what I've been saying against you for a while now and trying to say that I'm doing it.

I actually have a base for my claims. When you try to contradict me, I bring up quotes to show you how I actually have been paying attention.

Sass was definitely a big driving factor.

Is this the post where you said you didn't find anything? I took it to mean you hadn't found anything yet, but you would still look a bit more, so that's why I got confused.

like that.

And I recognize that this is something you've called me out on. that's why I capitalized the "YOU", to show that you are guilty of doing something you've been bugging me about this entire game.

:/

 

[Zalak]

And if you want proof of you not paying attention, let me grab some

no, it's not. when it comes to something you've never done, that's when you have to prove me wrong. I will say this again. I cannot think of a time that you have actually stated a reason for disliking Slick. Your posts do not justify having him at your #4 slot. If you have something to prove me wrong, then show me. There is nothing I can find to further support my point, because my evidence is the lack of a post.

Oh dear, well time to go on a scavenger hunt.

This should be resolved easily, but dude. You seriously need to calm down in mafia. Too hyper.

right here for example, i have made it painfully clear that I am accusing you of something that you are guilty of NOT saying something, and yet

You are accusing me of saying something, I can honestly just say "I haven't said that" as my response until you prove I have.

either you're deliberately twisting my words, or you're not paying attention.

something similar happened yesterDay

Anyways, you are OMGUS'ing me. I have not said it was back and forth, you've been on me for a while now. And yesterDay you said that I was cleared due to the Kary NK, those are your words, not mine.

Especially with your case on Generic, your back and forth push on my slot, and just your insistence of very obscure things like the WIFOM case which "cleared" me and someone else,

I said you were more or less cleared of being a WEREWOLF, my boy. I said NOTHING about you being cleared as MAFIA.

 

[Zalak]

argh, I gotta go now. check ya all later

 

[Orboknown]

Hmm so there's only 2 townies left besides myself.

This is quite a peculiar situation to be in considering. I'm weighing the value of having the doc claim toDay so we have a clear to work with and that would help me because that means only finding one more townie and the game is solved.

Gears are turning. Still leaning on lynching Zalak, but I'm gonna sit on my vote for a bit because toDay is crunch time.

@ Orboknown : Slick to me has been a null read that is pretty low on the totem pole of concerns compared to other slots. However, now that the game is getting closer to everyone being scum, he could be as well and I have not been noticing him due to the apparent scumminess of other slots so far.

GRG NK looks like a NK to shoot out a suspect who could have been mafia.

J was the quote zaleks looking before or after this one here?

 

[Zalak]

J was the quote zaleks looking before or after this one here?

what quote am I looking for exactly??

 

[Orboknown]

Also yeah ive read alk this but jeithernof yall are gonna be the lynch so im notntoo worried about it

 

[Orboknown]

Idk whichever one you're telling j to find you dont think exis ft s

 

[Zalak]

Idk whichever one you're telling j to find you dont think exis ft s

oh, you mean the quote i'm NOT looking for. i'm pretty sure it's nowhere to be found, but if J can find it, that will look p good for him.

 

[Zalak]

@RosalinaSGS if you have the time, could you answer my questions next time you get online?

also

Spak

you still haven't answered all of Rosa's questions, have you?

 

[Zalak]

oh, you mean the quote i'm NOT looking for. i'm pretty sure it's nowhere to be found, but if J can find it, that will look p good for him.

actually, J, if you can find proof that you ever actually had a directed push against Slick, I'll switch my vote to Spak on the spot.

 

[#HBC | J]

Depends on what you mean, direct push. I did question Slick, but only pushes have been Sparky, you, and a tad on Red Ryu.

 

[Zalak]

so you never called slick out on anything scummy? at minimum, i'd like to see anything that isn't a standard investigationy question. It has to be based on something Slick had done, that you thought was odd or scummy. What seems weird to me, is I don't think you ever did this with Slick, though almost everyone else did at one point or another. basically, i want to see justification for Slick being #4 on your lynch list.

 

[Orboknown]

Zalek you realize I've barely posted reason for balf the **** ove done or said right? I just harass people with how constantlh on i am

 

[Zalak]

Zalek you realize I've barely posted reason for balf the **** ove done or said right? I just harass people with how constantlh on i am

i'm specifically worries about J because Slick is now a confirmed WW. you at least gave a scum read on Slick with an explanation.

 

[#HBC | J]

This is really nit picky because no on directly pushed Slick besides you. Everyone else just dog-piled him because he scum-slipped. You could literally connect quite nearly everyone to Slick honestly for a various amount of reason.

And can you show that everyone who is alive has done what you said and pushed Slick past "standard investigatory questions"? If you can prove I'm the only one to not do as such, I'll shut up on this point.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why are we still arguing when neither of us is being lynched toDay?

I really don't want this to continue for a 3rd Day-Phase in a row.

 

[Zalak]

This is really nit picky because no on directly pushed Slick besides you. Everyone else just dog-piled him because he scum-slipped. You could literally connect quite nearly everyone to Slick honestly for a various amount of reason.

And can you show that everyone who is alive has done what you said and pushed Slick past "standard investigatory questions"? If you can prove I'm the only one to not do as such, I'll shut up on this point.

Slick's posts are so good, he's beginning to feel like Zalak. (i.e. perfect player. Too good. Therefore must be scum. /s)

Slick has not scumhunted. Theres no drive to his posting nor has he made a solid stance in a good minute. Zaleks been constantly here, and even if thats not because hes town at least hes got the eagerness to hunt down the opposing faction from his.

Upon further investigation, neither Spak, nor Red have actually pushed Slick.

Unvote, Vote: Spak

Why are we still arguing when neither of us is being lynched toDay?

You're still my #1 most scummy. I'm starting to see Red as being more fishy now though, so I'll probably wanna look at him toMorrow. and I totally need to look at Rosa and Orbo more too, but that doesn't mean you're off the hook, pal...

 

[Zalak]

Really should have considered that earlier... oops That just adds to the list of fishy people though imo. I still find your lack of a Slick push to be very odd, but I suppose we've really said all there is to say on that topic.

 

[Zalak]

also, your lack of a push on Slick goes both ways, which is what got me thinking about it in the first place. originally I noticed that Slick seemed really reluctant to look at you and I was like hmm

that adds to your suspicion levels for me

BUT YEAH, I have talked this topic to death. just trying to make sure all my thoughts are out there before I drop it.

 

[Zalak]

OH AND IF J, ER IF THE WW MURDERS ME TONIGHT... PLEASE LOOK INTO J. I REALLY THINK HE'S OUR BEST BET FOR WW.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I want to wait for Spak to post before I vote.

 

[Zalak]

Unvote

alrighty

i will be back to vote for Spak before the deadline tho if nothin' changes. (always up for a J lynch though )

 

[#HBC | J]

You have an odd definition of "push".

 

[#HBC | J]

OH AND IF J, ER IF THE WW MURDERS ME TONIGHT... PLEASE LOOK INTO J. I REALLY THINK HE'S OUR BEST BET FOR WW.

If I was a WW, I would have killed you last night.

Just saying.

 

[Zalak]

I am beginning to understand the issues of WIFOM-y NK analysis.

 

[Zalak]

You have an odd definition of "push".

mann you know my point is that they actually looked at slick.

 

[Zalak]

If I was a WW, I would have killed you last night.

*picks up a glass of wine*

time to analyze this

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm just gonna avert my gaze.

And please for the love of goodness, no more NK analysis. That WIFOM is like absinthe at this point.

 

[Zalak]

I'm just gonna avert my gaze.

And please for the love of goodness, no more NK analysis. That WIFOM is like absinthe at this point.

I was joking.

though you did just kinda analyze a NK by saying you can't be the WW cuz i didn't die last night.

just saying............

 

[#HBC | J]

Take a joke, please....

My sanity is becoming very lost in this game solely due to you. It was a joke, but an honest remark at the same time. I didn't analyze anything besides made an off-hand comment.

 

[Zalak]

...............

 

[Spak]

Back from the tourney. I beat PK (two-stock), was put into losers by ESAM (three-stock), then was put out of losers by Beeftip (one-stock, three-stock). Tough bracket, but I'm happy with my performance.

I was mainly commenting on the sass because it was OoC for him to do as such until he explained it was due to IRL reasons. Do you recall way back on day D2 when I actually voted Sparky originally?

How would you know OoC for me when I've only played one game with you?

@RosalinaSGS if you have the time, could you answer my questions next time you get online?

also

Spak

you still haven't answered all of Rosa's questions, have you?

Which ones haven't I answered? Could you please give me a post number?

I don't think Gheb has been that nit-picky, but it is good habit to follow the right method.

Spak : What makes Ryu a better lynch than yourself besides the obvious answer?

Reading backwards, in addition to everything everyone sees from me as scummy (other than the OoC part, which I don't believe is a good accusation) I saw a couple things; I already mentioned the fishiness of Ryu wanting to lynch a slot based on play that was already generally accepted as noobish and the whole "If I were a coasting WW" comment, but the other thing I noticed was that Ryu had literally no conversations with Koops. He talked about his slot two or three times, but only in reads, and even in reads he said nothing of signifigance of the slot. He said he forgot what the slot has done, and then didn't ever bother to figure out what the slot had done or looked at it at all during the game. In addition the whole "reading backwards I think Spak is a good lynch" thing is just wishy-washy to get through another day. He doesn't seem to want to do scumhunting, he seems to want to go with the flow so that he makes everyone happy with his slot and he can go along undetected.

 

[Spak]

(Sorry for the block of text, I would split that up some more if I could)

 

[Zalak]

As for your reads, imagine we've already lynched RR/ he got mod-killed or something. Who are you going onto next? What evidence would you try to gather? What questions would you ask me/Zalak/ anyone else? Then ask them.

this jazz from page 55

 

[Zalak]

Spak

 

[Spak]

this jazz from page 55

I'll get to it after dinner.

 

[Spak]

It's not doing enough that gets to me, but rather I feel you aren't attempting to do much. If you'd asked questions, pushed very hard, but got nowhere, you would still be putting in the effort, trying to scumhunt. But I feel you've been 'floating', without pushing or trying to work out who is scum. Yes, a town could do that as well, but it's more typical of a scum, and is indicative of scumminess. You could be a bad townie, but if we tolerated that excuse everyone could just claim bad townie...

Fair enough.

As for your reads, imagine we've already lynched RR/ he got mod-killed or something. Who are you going onto next? What evidence would you try to gather? What questions would you ask me/Zalak/ anyone else? Then ask them.

Also, about above, my read on Zalak depends rather heavily on how successfully J replied, so perhaps keep that on hold actually.

If RR were to die, I think that we wouldn't have much to go off of based on his previous interactions (yet again) and I would probably go for J or Zalak. I feel like their interaction isn't TvT and Zalak is tunneling/insulting/annoying J too hard for it to be the same faction SvS (unless they're both godlike at this game), but they might both be scum and not know that the other is. Furthermore, J has pretty much tried to blow off Zalak's questioning and has done very little about answering Zalak's them other than insulting his play and quoting one out of every wall about some small thing he misrepresented, stepping away for a few days, and then re-entering the game like nothing happened while trying to command a wagon for my noose.

I've seen you look back through the game and try to find your own reasoning for opinions and I've seen nothing but town intent from Orbo. For those reasons, I think the last 3 town are me, (Orbo + Rosa || Rosa + Zalak/J || Orbo + Zalak/J). I feel like a J or a Zalak lynch would give us enough information to take a good guess at the alignment, but we don't have the time to make that decision nor do we have the population to be wrong. I might consider it tomorrow after we have time to mull over our options and the NK (if we don't catch the WW today), but I'd rather not take that chance. I don't have any questions for people at the moment (other asking everyone if they're scum, to which everyone would give a resounding no), but my main target tomorrow if I live would probably be J. I'd be willing to join a Zalak wagon if it comes to that at the end of D5.

 

[Spak]

Less than 24 hours before the deadline... My vote will stay on RR unless there's a slip-up by someone; I implore you to hear out my reasoning and make a decision between me and RR to avoid a no-lynch.