Mini Game | Werewolves win

[RosalinaSGS]

@ Zalak - Okay, we're not going to get on the same page about your nk theory. So I'd like to know, besides that theory, what have I done that makes me look scummy? This goes for everyone. I'm more than happy to defend my posts.

You asked why I have a scum read on Orbo Koopa.

Orbo- I think he could be scum because of ThatSmasher. It's not fair to judge him ONLY based off that, but I mean, it wouldn't be fair to let him get a free pass. But he personally hasn't done anything too scummy since he took over.

Koopa- Partly because he's been somewhat quiet, and he hasn't posted that much useful content.

Zalak- I keep going back and forth. On the first day, I was totally with Zalak, and was sure he was town. Even on the 2nd day when he started accusing me, I didn't like his logic, but I think he was just wrong. But the more he posts, the more scum vibe I get from him.
BUT, all of his "bad" (In my opinoin) posts were on day 2, and mostly later in the day. I've seen more town friendly posts from him than I have from Koopa. So at this point, I'd like to hear from @ TheKingofKoopas , because he's going to be my top lynch unless something changes.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on both Zalak and Koopa.

Slick's posts are so good, he's beginning to feel like Zalak. (i.e. perfect player. Too good. Therefore must be scum. /s)

 

[RosalinaSGS]

All I can say about my inactivity is that college is a thing. I understand it looks bad, though.


Can you explain what Occam's Razor is?


Can you quote all of the times J gave advice later on? It's getting hard to remember what posts were on what page, and keeping them all together would be nice to keep track of.


Willing to lynch me over activity? I can understand wanting me to talk and THEN think about lynching if I don't comply, but you even said there are others you find more aggressively scummy, and that I was number 4 or 5.
Speaking of which, if you're going to number people by how scummy they are, can you show me the full list?

I'm really considering whether the doctor should role claim or not. So far the WWs seem to be going after Mafia members, and that probably won't change soon unless our next lynch flips Mafia. @ ~ Gheb ~ Can the doctors choose to protect themselves? If they can, and they're really worried WW are going to go after them, they can always protect themselves.

Occam's razor is basically assuming whatever uses the least number of assumptions is the correct scenario. e.g. Kary died. Therefore the werewolves were scared of IC. RATHER THAN hm... I think the werewolves wanted to gain something from killing Kary. They probably wanted us to think they were scared of her, when in reality they're scared of RR in his furry beastiness, so they must have tried to misdirect RR, to make him lower his guard and thereby lynch him, so RR must be town. Also, Gheb seems to really hate RR, so that means Gheb must be WW. And J's really friendly with Gheb, so J's the other werewolf.............. etc. (This was complete garbage btw.)

Also, just as a note, Koops and J aren't Doc.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

@ Zalak
When you say it like that, I can see much more why you're suspicious of me, and I have no problem with that. My issue wasn't that your theory was impossible, it was just that it was not true in my case, and I didn't really think it was true in Generic's case either, and that there were many alternatives.

Here's my argument against being real confident:

So the WW have 1 person they know the identity of. Which means they would know that 3/6 of the other people are Mafia. They have 50% chance of finding Mafia. To them, killing anyone except their partner would be good. And then they get a night kill, so they're most likely going to kill at least 1 scum.

The Mafia would have 2 other people that they know the identity of. With 2/5 other people being WW, they'd have 40% chance of finding WW. To them, killing anyone except their partners would be good, but even better would be the WW.

The Townies/Doctor have 3/8 people, but they don't know the identity of their teammates. With 5/7 of the other people being Mafia/Werewolf, they have 71% of finding scum. To them, killing Mafia would be ideal. Killing one WW, and hoping the WW kills a Mafia could keep the game going. But because they have 0 additional information, they have a decent chance of killing one of their own, which would pretty much end the game.

So I advise caution, not confidence, because this could be our last day.

This post says "Today's lylo, everyone. We should try to kill scum!"

 

[RosalinaSGS]

@ SlickWylde

I'm fine with your caution today, but your uncertainty is something that his persisted throughout basically the entire game. You've always seemed afraid to put yourself out there and say "ALRIGHT, I THINK THIS PERSON IS TOWN" or "ARLIGHT, I THINK THIS PERSON IS SCUM". If you have examples that prove me wrong though, I'd love to see them.


This is the only other example I could find of J giving advice, but this doesn't seem very devious to me.


I believe Occam's Razor basically when you're confronted with more than one conflicting theory, if you have to pick one, you should go with the tone that involves making the least assumptions.

You're right, it does make sense to have you talk first. I guess what I was trying to say is odds are, you're scum, and if I had to guess I'd say you're scum.

Who is your #1 most scummy, and who is your #1 most townie?

As for my list, I don't have it completely worked out but

1-3 tier is
slick, j, and Rosa in no particular order. I'm pretty sure they're all scum.
4-6 is
you, spak, and orbo
7 is
Red Ryu. He hasn't posted all that much, but he just gives me good vibes. I feel like he's town.

Are you serious? RR, who's posted minimally, is your towniest person, and the most you've got on him is gut? So basically everyone's scum?
Vote: Zalak

 

[RosalinaSGS]

@ RosalinaSGS @ Spak @ TheKingofKoopas @ #HBC | Red Ryu @ SlickWylde @ Orboknown

how do you all feel about @ #HBC | J ?

Lol, loving this meme battle.
But seriously, stop wasting space.

I'm good with J. He's a good guy. tbh, with our numbers, he's could easily be scum, but I want to keep him around a while, just to see what's in his gif folder. /s
Seriously, he's decent. I can see him as scum, but also town. He's probably the most questionable person right now. He's agreed with me on most things, but if he really is as good as he says (not saying you aren't. I just have no idea of Dgames history), he would easily do the same things as scum. So... little idea. tbh, felt more confident with him when I thought he was just an ordinary mafia player.

 

[Zalak]

#1: J
MAFIA LAW NUMBER ONE:
He is guilty of refusing to talk, deflecting accusations, using blatant manipulation, (I BELIEVE) using subtle manipulation (I HOPE TO GET TO THIS TOMORROW. I think I just realized something really interesting.), and THIS

Also I haven't been deflecting anything. I have just not been responding to you because I do not want to nor see any merit in it.

is still genuinely the most scummy thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
#2: SlickWylde
IGNORING THE NK ANALYSIS THAT YOU ALL HATE SO MUCH (though the analysis and his reaction to it are contributing factors), he seems hyper-focused on finding the truth. I feel like he should be more driven by like, specific goals that he has developed during this game (such as how I get caught up in pushing people I think are scum), but he's always posting things like "alright, I liked Zalak's points, but let's hear Generic's side of the story now". To me, that seems like he's just trying to remind us that he has the town's best interest at heart. Also, like I've stated earlier, he's barely put himself out there at all. LASTLY, he sometimes posts things like "argh this is so confusing", and I feel like those posts are just there to remind us that he's not scum so he knows nothing.
#3: RosalinaSGS
This could change soon. Pretty much just based on the thing with J.
#4: Koopa
His more recent posts are more null for me, but I remember he did something in the early game that left a bad impression. When he was being relentlessly attacked by Generic and Radical, in his defenses, he would post things like "I know this defense isn't very good... but", and that doesn't sound like something a town would do. I feel like a townie would have more confidence, cuz they have the knowledge that they are town.
#5: Orbo
Hasn't generated a ton of townie content, but I don't think he's really generated ANY scummy content. ThatSmasher however, was as scummy as scum could be.
#6: Spak
He's inactive, but I usually get townie vibes from him when he posts. The only thing that puts him higher on the list than RedRyu is I feel like posts a lot of content that isn't necessarily helpful. Like, sometimes I'll see him questioning someone, and I don't feel like he has any particular goal in mind.
#7: RedRyu
Only seen townie content from him. Pretty inactive, but that makes sense considering he had to replace someone.
#8: Zalak
I AM A TOWNIE. I AM ONE OF THE THREE.

I think my biggest flaw when it comes to forum mafia, is I tend to be too set in my beliefs. I pay too much attention to the initial impressions I get from people compared to their actions later on in the game. In Gheb's Crazy Auction mafia, I got caught up in a 900 page argument with Laundry, and he turned out to be town. The same thing happened in Film Cow mafia with Kary. It's something I've been trying to work on, but in this game I kinda fell into the same trap of focusing on one player at a time in this game, and not really considering their defenses.

I'd like to argue that if I were actually playing as scum, I'd be much more focused on self-preservation, and probably wouldn't have made myself the LEADING MAN in both of this game's lynches.

SPEAKING OF THOSE LYNCHES, just because I was pushing those lynches harder than anyone, that doesn't mean I was the only one who believed in them. Like, I really don't think it's fair to give me dirt for lynching someone who claimed to be mafia, and I think most of us thought Generic was scummy since day one.

"Screw occam's razor" is basically my middle name. My convoluted theory in Gheb's Crazy acution mafia turned out to be (MOSTLY) true, so I maybe got a LITTLE COCKY, and decided to ignore occam's razor again. The theory was driven by a strong feeling in my gut, so I guess I refused to believe I was incorrect. I'm still not convinced I am, actually. I think it's very possible that Slick will turn out to be a WW, and I still have a feeling he killed Kary for the reason I theorized.

I think as a whole I've been generating good content, I just have a few major improvements that need to be made to my play as a townie.

 

[Zalak]

now it's time for me to hit the hay

sorry if that post was kinda cluttered and disorganized

 

[RosalinaSGS]

#1: J
MAFIA LAW NUMBER ONE:
He is guilty of refusing to talk, deflecting accusations, using blatant manipulation, (I BELIEVE) using subtle manipulation (I HOPE TO GET TO THIS TOMORROW. I think I just realized something really interesting.), and THIS

is still genuinely the most scummy thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
#2: SlickWylde
IGNORING THE NK ANALYSIS THAT YOU ALL HATE SO MUCH (though the analysis and his reaction to it are contributing factors), he seems hyper-focused on finding the truth. I feel like he should be more driven by like, specific goals that he has developed during this game (such as how I get caught up in pushing people I think are scum), but he's always posting things like "alright, I liked Zalak's points, but let's hear Generic's side of the story now". To me, that seems like he's just trying to remind us that he has the town's best interest at heart. Also, like I've stated earlier, he's barely put himself out there at all. LASTLY, he sometimes posts things like "argh this is so confusing", and I feel like those posts are just there to remind us that he's not scum so he knows nothing.
#3: RosalinaSGS
This could change soon. Pretty much just based on the thing with J.
#4: Koopa
His more recent posts are more null for me, but I remember he did something in the early game that left a bad impression. When he was being relentlessly attacked by Generic and Radical, in his defenses, he would post things like "I know this defense isn't very good... but", and that doesn't sound like something a town would do. I feel like a townie would have more confidence, cuz they have the knowledge that they are town.
#5: Orbo
Hasn't generated a ton of townie content, but I don't think he's really generated ANY scummy content. ThatSmasher however, was as scummy as scum could be.
#6: Spak
He's inactive, but I usually get townie vibes from him when he posts. The only thing that puts him higher on the list than RedRyu is I feel like posts a lot of content that isn't necessarily helpful. Like, sometimes I'll see him questioning someone, and I don't feel like he has any particular goal in mind.
#7: RedRyu
Only seen townie content from him. Pretty inactive, but that makes sense considering he had to replace someone.
#8: Zalak
I AM A TOWNIE. I AM ONE OF THE THREE.

I think my biggest flaw when it comes to forum mafia, is I tend to be too set in my beliefs. I pay too much attention to the initial impressions I get from people compared to their actions later on in the game. In Gheb's Crazy Auction mafia, I got caught up in a 900 page argument with Laundry, and he turned out to be town. The same thing happened in Film Cow mafia with Kary. It's something I've been trying to work on, but in this game I kinda fell into the same trap of focusing on one player at a time in this game, and not really considering their defenses.

I'd like to argue that if I were actually playing as scum, I'd be much more focused on self-preservation, and probably wouldn't have made myself the LEADING MAN in both of this game's lynches.

SPEAKING OF THOSE LYNCHES, just because I was pushing those lynches harder than anyone, that doesn't mean I was the only one who believed in them. Like, I really don't think it's fair to give me dirt for lynching someone who claimed to be mafia, and I think most of us thought Generic was scummy since day one.

"Screw occam's razor" is basically my middle name. My convoluted theory in Gheb's Crazy acution mafia turned out to be (MOSTLY) true, so I maybe got a LITTLE COCKY, and decided to ignore occam's razor again. The theory was driven by a strong feeling in my gut, so I guess I refused to believe I was incorrect. I'm still not convinced I am, actually. I think it's very possible that Slick will turn out to be a WW, and I still have a feeling he killed Kary for the reason I theorized.

I think as a whole I've been generating good content, I just have a few major improvements that need to be made to my play as a townie.

You say my position may change, but I'm interested in why I'm up there in the first place.
Also, with J, he says that he doesn't consider what you've asked important. So why not just ask more questions? Eventually, one must be appropriate.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

#1: J
MAFIA LAW NUMBER ONE:
He is guilty of refusing to talk, deflecting accusations, using blatant manipulation, (I BELIEVE) using subtle manipulation (I HOPE TO GET TO THIS TOMORROW. I think I just realized something really interesting.), and THIS

is still genuinely the most scummy thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
#2: SlickWylde
IGNORING THE NK ANALYSIS THAT YOU ALL HATE SO MUCH (though the analysis and his reaction to it are contributing factors), he seems hyper-focused on finding the truth. I feel like he should be more driven by like, specific goals that he has developed during this game (such as how I get caught up in pushing people I think are scum), but he's always posting things like "alright, I liked Zalak's points, but let's hear Generic's side of the story now". To me, that seems like he's just trying to remind us that he has the town's best interest at heart. Also, like I've stated earlier, he's barely put himself out there at all. LASTLY, he sometimes posts things like "argh this is so confusing", and I feel like those posts are just there to remind us that he's not scum so he knows nothing.
#3: RosalinaSGS
This could change soon. Pretty much just based on the thing with J.
#4: Koopa
His more recent posts are more null for me, but I remember he did something in the early game that left a bad impression. When he was being relentlessly attacked by Generic and Radical, in his defenses, he would post things like "I know this defense isn't very good... but", and that doesn't sound like something a town would do. I feel like a townie would have more confidence, cuz they have the knowledge that they are town.
#5: Orbo
Hasn't generated a ton of townie content, but I don't think he's really generated ANY scummy content. ThatSmasher however, was as scummy as scum could be.
#6: Spak
He's inactive, but I usually get townie vibes from him when he posts. The only thing that puts him higher on the list than RedRyu is I feel like posts a lot of content that isn't necessarily helpful. Like, sometimes I'll see him questioning someone, and I don't feel like he has any particular goal in mind.
#7: RedRyu
Only seen townie content from him. Pretty inactive, but that makes sense considering he had to replace someone.
#8: Zalak
I AM A TOWNIE. I AM ONE OF THE THREE.

I think my biggest flaw when it comes to forum mafia, is I tend to be too set in my beliefs. I pay too much attention to the initial impressions I get from people compared to their actions later on in the game. In Gheb's Crazy Auction mafia, I got caught up in a 900 page argument with Laundry, and he turned out to be town. The same thing happened in Film Cow mafia with Kary. It's something I've been trying to work on, but in this game I kinda fell into the same trap of focusing on one player at a time in this game, and not really considering their defenses.

I'd like to argue that if I were actually playing as scum, I'd be much more focused on self-preservation, and probably wouldn't have made myself the LEADING MAN in both of this game's lynches.

SPEAKING OF THOSE LYNCHES, just because I was pushing those lynches harder than anyone, that doesn't mean I was the only one who believed in them. Like, I really don't think it's fair to give me dirt for lynching someone who claimed to be mafia, and I think most of us thought Generic was scummy since day one.

"Screw occam's razor" is basically my middle name. My convoluted theory in Gheb's Crazy acution mafia turned out to be (MOSTLY) true, so I maybe got a LITTLE COCKY, and decided to ignore occam's razor again. The theory was driven by a strong feeling in my gut, so I guess I refused to believe I was incorrect. I'm still not convinced I am, actually. I think it's very possible that Slick will turn out to be a WW, and I still have a feeling he killed Kary for the reason I theorized.

I think as a whole I've been generating good content, I just have a few major improvements that need to be made to my play as a townie.

We (Or me at least) are not lynching you because of the mislynches.

Also, could everyone re-iterate why they think Zalak's scum? Try to do so without checking previous pages, to see if you can remember. Is he still worth lynching?

 

[SlickWylde]

Zalak keeps talking about how I'm not confident, but I don't see how that's a point against me. He's the only one who's confident. I've already explained several times why I reacted to his theory the way I did, and I think it makes perfect sense, but he still keeps bringing it up against me as if I have no defense.
We are literally going to lose this round if we lynch the wrong person.
And no, I never try to "look town" by not going after people. You keep forgetting how long and hard I went after ThatSmasher.
@ RosalinaSGS I wouldn't vote for Zalak. I'm pretty positive he's town, I just think he gets too focused on his arguments. He hurt us last round, but if we lynch him, we will lose.

Okay, here's the scenario in my mind:
I'm pretty sure the three left are Rosalina, Zalak, and me.
Orbo, J, and KingOfKoopas are the three Mafia
Spak, Red Ryu are WW

From my list, I think TheKingOfKoopas is the most guilty. Look back at the first few pages, it looks like he tried to play the "But I'm just a noob" card, and it backfired. When it backfired, he didn't seem to have a good defense.
@ TheKingofKoopas I'm going to vote for you until I hear a good defense.

@ Zalak the thing that bugs me is that you ask me a question, and then no matter how much sense my argument makes you basically say "sounds fishy to me, see guys?". It's like you don't actually listen to my argument, because you've already made up your mind. Maybe the reason my posts look so town friendly is because (gasp) I'm town :0.

Vote: TheKingOfKoopas

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

oh jesus another page over night.
why.

how do you all feel about #HBC | J

I can't see him being scum, at least for your reasons. His advice doesn't seem manipulative. I really can't see anyone here using IC as a way to deter their scumminess, it would just make them look bad.

Who is your #1 most scummy, and who is your #1 most townie?

Scummy, you. Townie, Rosa. I'll get to that in a bit.

#4: Koopa
His more recent posts are more null for me, but I remember he did something in the early game that left a bad impression. When he was being relentlessly attacked by Generic and Radical, in his defenses, he would post things like "I know this defense isn't very good... but", and that doesn't sound like something a town would do. I feel like a townie would have more confidence, cuz they have the knowledge that they are town.

That's because their main gripe against me was that I was making a bunch of mistakes which could be considered manipulation. I literally had no other defense other than they were actual mistakes.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

*By "it would just make them look bad", I don't mean scummy, I mean in general.

Also, could everyone re-iterate why they think Zalak's scum? Try to do so without checking previous pages, to see if you can remember. Is he still worth lynching?

His stubbornness, mostly. I really liked him early on in the game, but all of in game today he just doesn't take no for an answer. The only times he really lets up are if he feels he's taking too much of the lime light or if he's moving onto a different point.

 

[SlickWylde]

Koopa, I tagged you above, please respond to my post.

 

[Zalak]

@ Zalak the thing that bugs me is that you ask me a question, and then no matter how much sense my argument makes you basically say "sounds fishy to me, see guys?". It's like you don't actually listen to my argument, because you've already made up your mind. Maybe the reason my posts look so town friendly is because (gasp) I'm town :0.

yo Slick, I get how my stubbornness could be frustrating, but in my last post directed at you, I asked if you had any examples of you posting solid reads in the past couple of game days, as opposed to "yeah maybe" posts. I'd really like it if you could give me some examples.

And no, I never try to "look town" by not going after people. You keep forgetting how long and hard I went after ThatSmasher.
@ RosalinaSGS I wouldn't vote for Zalak. I'm pretty positive he's town, I just think he gets too focused on his arguments. He hurt us last round, but if we lynch him, we will lose.

oh wait, nvm, this is actually a pretty good example.

What does EVERYONE ELSE think of slick?

You say my position may change, but I'm interested in why I'm up there in the first place.
Also, with J, he says that he doesn't consider what you've asked important. So why not just ask more questions? Eventually, one must be appropriate.

Your ties to J. I feel you're giving him a much too easy time. Also I keep seeing J liking your posts defending him, and it's gross. Like, he's literally letting you defend him in his place, despite the fact that he advocated against getting third parties involved in these kinds of arguments.

With all due respect, I'm not gonna let J decide for himself what questions are appropriate. I want you to assume for a second that he is scum. If I have this attitude of just asking questions until I find one he wants to answer, there's now way I'm going to find anything incriminating on this guy.

We (Or me at least) are not lynching you because of the mislynches.

That is definitely not all I addressed.

I can't see him being scum, at least for your reasons. His advice doesn't seem manipulative. I really can't see anyone here using IC as a way to deter their scumminess, it would just make them look bad.

Okay, disregarding the advice he gave, how do you feel about his play overall?

His stubbornness, mostly. I really liked him early on in the game, but all of in game today he just doesn't take no for an answer. The only times he really lets up are if he feels he's taking too much of the lime light or if he's moving onto a different point.

*shadow the hedgehog voice* I WILL FIND THE TRUTH. I won't stop pushing someone until I think they're town, I've concluded that they are 100% definitely scum, or if I have more important things to deal with.

if someone tells me no, and i don't believe them, i'm gonna keep pressing them.

 

[Zalak]

oh and @ SlickWylde what do you think of J? I know you think he's mafia, but could you explain how you feel about him in more detail?

 

[SlickWylde]

Well, again, I don't even think someone not being confident is a point against them. That's just how some people play. I think you'll figure that out about me as we play more games. I tend to be more reserved until I'm REALLY sure about something.

I definitely think J is scummy, and I agree that he pushes your questions aside without giving any kind of defense. Unlike Generic, who I was suspicious of, but defended a tiny bit because he had a lot of good posts, I don't really see much to defend with J. If he hadn't responded to your questions the way he did, I wouldn't have suspected him that much, but he never really gave off a strong town vibe. So I wouldn't push against a J lynch. If I had to put a percentage on how sure I am that he's scum, I'd say like 70%. Above him is Red Ryu at 80%, then Orbo at 90%, then KingOfKoopas at 99%. So essentially, if I were king, I would lynch Koopa today, Orbo tomorrow, Red Ryu, then J. But J and Red Ryu could be switched if I see more evidence.

So I think we should lynch KingOfKoopas. He never even responded to me, even though I tagged him and voted for him. He's another player who I haven't seen much town friendly posts. His posts have been mostly defensive and pointless. What's interesting is that Koopa, ThatSmasher (Now Orbo), and Omar (Now Red Ryu) all ganged up on Generic in the 1st and 2nd page. I had forgotten about that. I had forgotten that Spak also spoke out against an early Generic vote. I'm wondering if I should switch Spak and Rosalina on my list. Rosalina seemed to have a lot of good posts, besides defending J, right @ Zalak ?

Either way, I've already voted, and my vote is still on KingOfKoopas unless he responds with a doozy of a defense.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

In class atm, will get to this in a few hours.

 

[Orboknown]

@ RosalinaSGS @ Spak @ TheKingofKoopas @ #HBC | Red Ryu @ SlickWylde @ Orboknown

how do you all feel about @ #HBC | J ?

Hes reaching most of the same conclusions as me. Im not lynching him today

 

[Orboknown]

Why makes you think Spak's town?

Zalek already hooked this ip but rhat was more the order of generics votera than a lynch order from me

 

[Orboknown]

We (Or me at least) are not lynching you because of the mislynches.

Also, could everyone re-iterate why they think Zalak's scum? Try to do so without checking previous pages, to see if you can remember. Is he still worth lynching?

Because of the psychosis tunneling and nitpickiness of his stuff, and the whole hounding after one scum ttpe in particular. Id prolly lynch koops or spak, maybe even ryu before zalek

 

[Zalak]

that leaves @ Spak and @ #HBC | Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

In class atm, will get to this in a few hours.

 

[Zalak]

sorry yo, no rush

also @ TheKingofKoopas

I feel like your response only really addressed my complaint about J's IC advice.

 

[Orboknown]

Im kinda fine going down a murderlist of koops spak/slick~then the other one and then ryu or zalek

 

[Spak]

You are literally your own worst enemy.

Anyways, I still think that some of this is accurate from earlier:

That NK surprised me as well. The three people I was expecting to get NK'd were Rosa (who probably wouldn't be targeted because the Doc is most likely to save him), J (seems townie), Slick (same reason), and me (because of I can get paranoid). Lynching inactives (like RR) would be illogical, lynching Koops and Orbo could be scum suspects, and I know I'm a townie. (Instead, Grim (someone who people had some suspicions about) got NK'd and we're here wondering what the heck is going on. Honestly, I would suspect at least one of #HBC JJ the Jet Plane and Slick Shady is scum. With that said, there are still another 5 to deal with and I'd be willing to accept the idea of Zalak being one of them.

But I think that J's gone down on my priority list a little bit. He doesn't seem to have hidden anything all game, the early V/LA is understandable, his intent has been scumhunting, and basing accusations like I did above solely off of NK is an argument that couldn't hold water in any court of law because that speculation is the definition of WIFOM. With that said, I still think that Slick and J are both WW candidates (with Zalak is added to the pot as well). I'm also a bit concerned that nobody has investigated Rosa all that much, and Ryu, Koops and I have gone largely unquestioned all game (other than group questionings). I have all of us as town lean/null reads, mostly because there's not enough content from Koops (past D1) and Ryu (because IRL and DGames). At this point, Rosa is my only solid town read, but even solid reads require investigation.

Back to AP Comp Sci.

 

[#HBC | J]

Orbo, talk to me about not lynching Zalak. I am literally salivating to have that lynch occur toDay before anyone else.

Also since everyone sans Zalak believes I would be a bad lynch for toDay, let's move onto discussing other slots that really need some intel on.

*looks precariously @ #HBC | Red Ryu and @TheKingofKoopas*

I also wanna figure out who is the towny of the category Orbo/Spak/Slick. I feel Rosa is town w/ me based on us being literally on the same wave-length all game and I don't see scum intent behind his actions. So one of these people have the last towny. Then let's blitzkrieg #HBC everyone else out.

So let's play a new game. @ Orboknown @ Spak @ SlickWylde Tell me why you are town. Explain to me why I shouldn't hardbody your ass out of this game and get rid of the other two in this pile? Come at me with your towniest posts and show me which of you I should trust and give me good reason to lynch the other two besides you. To me, it comes down to that.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh I'm putting this out here and leaving it at that.

I do not care who is WW and who is Mafia at this point. I care about lynching scum and that's it. At this juncture in the game, it does not matter who is "what" because 5 scum are alive and we have no connections yet until one of them is lynched.

If someone continues to suggest that is important to differentiate between WW/Mafia, I will vote you until you are lynched. It does not matter so get that out of your head and just lynch who you think is scummy.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also EVERYONE do this in their next post. Say the one name you want lynched the most in your next post. Use this format:

FoS: Zalak

Time to build that paper trail and get some concrete answers. Anyone who refuses to put a name down will be looked at extensively.

J's taking control of this game and we're gonna win this.

 

[#HBC | J]

Mafia Terminology:

FoS - This means Finger of Suspicion, this is where you place suspicion on a slot without voting for them especially if you have a vote on someone else. This means a light suspicion that is raising an eyebrow to someone.

HoS - This means Hand of Suspicion, this is where you are almost fully convinced they are scum, but someone is stopping you from voting like your vote preoccupying another slot or other reasons.

IGMEOU - I-Got-My-Eye-On-You, pretty simple and means that you are looking at someone for what they have done but you do not know whether it is suspicious or not. This is just when someone does something questionable and you want to let them know you are looking at them.

These are great especially in MyLo/LyLo situations and also to express multiple scum-reads at varying degrees.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask! I can answer any and all as an aside to what's going on in the game. Just @ #HBC | J and put the question in Italics. I will answer all questions like these OoG (Out-of-Game) style.

 

[Zalak]

FoS: J

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I hate to make you guys wait but I got stuff to work on right now so please just wait a bit longer for me to post some real content.

 

[SlickWylde]

I'll pretend for a moment that I don't have a bias against you J. So pretending that my bias doesn't exist, and I have no idea what you are, here's my defense:

I think my posts speak for themselves. I never jumped on easy lynches when I could have, and when I was accused, I never gave out random names to get the attention off myself. When I realized that I could be wrong about someone, I changed my stance.

I don't really know what to say to "Sound" towny. I just think my posts have been very towny, even if I haven't been right all the time.

I've already voted for KingOfKoopa

If KingOfKoopa doesn't get lynched, then I'd have FOS: Orbo

 

[Zalak]

I feel Rosa is town w/ me based on us being literally on the same wave-length all game and I don't see scum intent behind his actions.

"rosa is town and that's why I've been hiding behind them all game"

 

[Zalak]

"rosa is town and that's why I've been hiding behind them all game"

maybe i'm jumping to conclusion. you two could also be a TEAM...

 

[Orboknown]

Orbo, talk to me about not lynching Zalak. I am literally salivating to have that lynch occur toDay before anyone else.

Also since everyone sans Zalak believes I would be a bad lynch for toDay, let's move onto discussing other slots that really need some intel on.

*looks precariously @ #HBC | Red Ryu and @TheKingofKoopas*

I also wanna figure out who is the towny of the category Orbo/Spak/Slick. I feel Rosa is town w/ me based on us being literally on the same wave-length all game and I don't see scum intent behind his actions. So one of these people have the last towny. Then let's blitzkrieg #HBC everyone else out.

So let's play a new game. @ Orboknown @ Spak @ SlickWylde Tell me why you are town. Explain to me why I shouldn't hardbody your *** out of this game and get rid of the other two in this pile? Come at me with your towniest posts and show me which of you I should trust and give me good reason to lynch the other two besides you. To me, it comes down to that.

Part a wrt zalek~theres enough there thats possible town zalek that it lowers him on the list of people in terms i think is likelier to be scum. The eagerness and hyperspasms i think are more symptomatic of a townier mindset, and I'm willing to take rhe extra dayphase or so to try and place him better in terms of where he sits in my mind. I would probably have him 3rd or 4th highest in my reads order behind tosa then you maybe ryu as 3rd. Ientioned slick before but like rosa said it feels like hes trying to frame stuff toonoerfectly to appease the other person.

As per the second part
I'm actively here, putting my thoughts out with basically no hesotation which you know is more apparent of my town play then my scum play. If i wanted to play this as scum I'd lay into zalek just to shut him up because less posts=more downtime for town to not grasp things/one less voice in my way. Also haven't laid any **** where I try to play both sides/drop behind the loudest voice.
I guess my first vlte right now would be fos koops

 

[Zalak]

@ #HBC | J

I told you I could read minds, and you will believe me by the end of tonight...........................

 

[Orboknown]

"rosa is town and that's why I've been hiding behind them all game"

What happened to not tunneldriving on someone
also i don't feel this is accurate whatsoever

 

[Zalak]

What happened to not tunneldriving on someone
also i don't feel this is accurate whatsoever

I've seen it happen several times where I ask J for a defense, he doesn't give one, and Rosa steps in to defend him, then he likes Rosa's post, which to me is scummy as for both of them, but especially for J.

 

[#HBC | J]

I haven't been hiding at all lmao. Get that bologna out of here. And Rosa isn't defending me, we simply agree with each other's logic which is very different.

You just dislike people who disagree with you, plain and simple. It's poor play buddy.

 

[Orboknown]

I've seen it happen several times where I ask J for a defense, he doesn't give one, and Rosa steps in to defend him, then he likes Rosa's post, which to me is scummy as for both of them, but especially for J.

I've replied to you about other people several times without them jumping in on it so why doesnt this apply to me