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Mini Game | Werewolves win

~ Gheb ~

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Mod Note:

As of post #1385 *GenericHandle* has an absolute majority of votes and is lynched.

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Votecount:

Voted | Voters | Votes
*GenericHandle* | Zalak, TheKingofKoopas, RosalinaSGS, SlickWylde, Spak, Orboknown | 6 / 6
SlickWylde | *GenericHandle* | 1 / 6
Zalak | #HBC J | 1 / 6
Not voting: Red Ryu, GreenReaperGod

*GenericHandle* [Vanilla Townie] has been lynched.
Day 2 ends, Night 2 begins.
Send in all Night Actions within the next 48 hours.
No more posting!


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~ Gheb ~

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GreenReaperGod [Vanilla Townie] has been killed during the Night!

Spak receives a temporary mod vote for posting during the Night Phase. Ninjas can happen but double posting 5 minutes after I conclude the Day Phase BY SAYING "NO MORE POSTING is not OK.


Day 3 begins. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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Spak

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I apologize for double posting after "NO MORE POSTING" and gladly accept the modvote.

Now then, back to the game:
Just because I'm sure he's WW, so I decided not to just say scum.
Why would you not think he's Mafia if you're convinced he's scummy?
 

SlickWylde

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Because Zalak obviously has information that we don't. That's why he knew that Generic and I were a WW team together- oh wait, he was wrong.

He seems to be picking a target or two, using some convoluted argument, and then just keeps going after them. What's funny is that the biggest reason he said he didn't trust me initially is because I was hesitant to vote for Generic. Interesting how that doesn't make me look so bad anymore (Unless you think that I'm scum, but I somehow knew he was town).

Okay, 4 Townies have died. So then there's a Doctor, which makes 3 total townies. And then there are 3 Mafia, and 2 WW. 5/8 of us are scum. After that last round, I have Zalak as my strongest scum/lynch for today. Does anybody have a strong feeling he's town?

Top scum reads: Zalak, TheKingOfKoopas, Orbo
Slight Scum reads: Spak, HBC J
 

Spak

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does everyone agree rosas town?
I agree that Rosa appears town. I'm always hesitant to flat-out say that someone is town unless they're practically mod-confirmed. I've never played against Rosa scum and lynched Rosa townie for inactivity the only game I've played against him in, so I'm not 100%.
 

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That NK surprised me as well. The three people I was expecting to get NK'd were Rosa (who probably wouldn't be targeted because the Doc is most likely to save him), J (seems townie), Slick (same reason), and me (because of I can get paranoid). Lynching inactives (like RR) would be illogical, lynching Koops and Orbo could be scum suspects, and I know I'm a townie. (Instead, Grim (someone who people had some suspicions about) got NK'd and we're here wondering what the heck is going on. Honestly, I would suspect at least one of #HBC JJ the Jet Plane and Slick Shady is scum. With that said, there are still another 5 to deal with and I'd be willing to accept the idea of Zalak being one of them.
 

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Nk was probablykilling off suspects to leave us in this scenario
or
ww are shootinv for mafia among the "suspicious" group
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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So...now we have a prisoners dilemma here with all of the scum for town.

3 Werewolves are left, mafia has to kill one or they will lose, so it is in there best interest to get them, not sure how town can win it at this point.

Am I wrong on Zalak?

Is Spak scum?

Do I still want Orbo dead?

Should I trust J?
 

Zalak

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Zalek koops prolly scum
j talk to me about slick
does everyone agree rosas town?
I did think Rosa was town, but this exchange
When he says, I'm giving you advice as an IC, he means that it's good advice, and applies generally, not just in this particular case. And I agree with the advice he gave. Yes, he used it to ignore your point, but he's explaining why he is and giving you some legitimate advice. Like, actually, that's good advice. Trust him. He wouldn't be IC if he was going to abuse it.
was nasty.

Like, so nasty.
:088:
You're bringing up a really faulty point against me and keep trying to throw it in my face. It was not my place to dispute your case, I was not interested in doing so, and it would have hindered the connections you two were drawing to each other and the views of those watching. It would have muddled the argument and the game would have become more convoluted then it already has been with the constant borderline spamming of the thread that happened pages ago.
Whether or not this is legitimate advice is irrelevant, because as I pointed out a post later, it did not apply to our situation in the end. Whether or not J realized that when he posted this is questionable, but instead of responding to my post afterwards, he outright ignores it, no defense, no response, and instead just likes Rosalina's post defending him.

For reference, here's what I posted after J's IC advice:
Yeah, but it came to a point where I explicitly stated that I thought you were hiding something/trying not to slip up by giving a detailed read, and you still refused to add to the conversation, despite being asked. Despite the fact that your refusal to talk was very clearly making me suspicious of you, and adding more hysteria to the game. If you say no to a theory, and someone asks for for an explanation, I believe it's on you to give that explanation. You also could have just said exactly what you said just now earlier, and that would have been better than simply ignoring my requests. Like, to me, the way you wrote off my request for an explanation kind of feels like you were coasting on being an IC, and being seen as a superior player. Because you're an IC, you just said nah, this noob doesn't know what he's doing, so I'm gonna ignore him.

not cool dude

not cool

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Answering my requests was very clearly a better option for the town than what you did. That's all there really is to say on the matter. I'll listen to your advice after this game is over, and I know what your role is.
 

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Why would you not think he's Mafia if you're convinced he's scummy?
But why specifically a ww and not scum in general?
Because Zalak obviously has information that we don't. That's why he knew that Generic and I were a WW team together- oh wait, he was wrong.

He seems to be picking a target or two, using some convoluted argument, and then just keeps going after them. What's funny is that the biggest reason he said he didn't trust me initially is because I was hesitant to vote for Generic. Interesting how that doesn't make me look so bad anymore (Unless you think that I'm scum, but I somehow knew he was town).

Okay, 4 Townies have died. So then there's a Doctor, which makes 3 total townies. And then there are 3 Mafia, and 2 WW. 5/8 of us are scum. After that last round, I have Zalak as my strongest scum/lynch for today. Does anybody have a strong feeling he's town?

Top scum reads: Zalak, TheKingOfKoopas, Orbo
Slight Scum reads: Spak, HBC J
Ya'll have the memories of anti-elephants. (I couldn't think of an animal with a bad memory)

SlickWylde is equivalence to a mod-confirmed WW for me because of my NK analysis.

FIRST: I still stand by that analysis as the most likely scenario. Deny it all you want, my gut tells me I'm right, and according to that theory, SlickWylde is definitely a werewolf.

SECOND: SlickWylde jumped to oppose my accusation, and Generic jumped to defend it. I may be a little biased, because I believe in my theory 100%, but that doesn't look good for Slick, especially now that we know Generic is town.
 

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With that said, there are still another 5 to deal with and I'd be willing to accept the idea of Zalak being one of them.
I
am
not
the
maniac
.

I really should have learned my lesson from film cow mafia though. In that game, Kary shot me as a vigilante cuz I kept pushing people relentlessly, even though those people all had a right to be pushed in the end... imo... Like, one of them tried to get me lynched on the grounds that "Zalak is scum", and when I asked them for an explanation, they just said "no really, Zalak is scum", so I tried to get them lynched because they refused to offer a proper explanation, and then they turned out to be town, so everyone decided "aLRIGHT ZALAK REALLY IS SCUM" and I died.

hm i think my biggest problem is when I play town, I don't really care about how other people read me until I'm actually very close to a lynch, whereas when I played as mafia that one time, I was 100% about acting like I had the town's best interest at heart, basically just trying to maintain the town reads on me all game.
 

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so you wanna get a mafia member, and hope the WWs kill another maf?
not sure exactly why that's the way you wanna go about it, but for my money, J is the most likely mafia member, cuz he's shady as :129:and i don't think he's a WW.
 

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not sure exactly why that's the way you wanna go about it, but for my money, J is the most likely mafia member, cuz he's shady as :129:and i don't think he's a WW.
NEVERMIND I THINK I MISREAD YOUR POST
 

Zalak

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Do you care to explain why he isn't WW in your opinion?
he could be a WW, but he's the only shady person I have reason to believe is probably not a WW, because I thought he would have put himself at risk by killing Kary, who could have flipped mafia. then again, he did have easily the weakest connection to Kary of those RadicalRat predicted to be on Kary's mafia, so bleh, maybe he is a WW.
 

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You should really stop basing your reads off of NKanalysis because theres a million and one reasons why someone coukd have killed someone and the odds of guessing right are infinitesimally small
 

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That, and trying to guess who's mafia or werewolf. Either one would be great at the moment.
 

Zalak

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That, and trying to guess who's mafia or werewolf. Either one would be great at the moment.
man, at this point, we're likely to land a scum just by guessing

the reason I called Slick a WW is because my read on him is based on him being a WW.

the reason I said I thought J was probably maf, is because at the time, I thought RR was looking for mafia members specifically.
 

Zalak

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You should really stop basing your reads off of NKanalysis because theres a million and one reasons why someone coukd have killed someone and the odds of guessing right are infinitesimally small
Once this game is over, I'll ask the WWs and see if I was right
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Zalak

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anyways, not liking Rosa, Slick, or J

Rosa and J seem buddy buddy, or like they're using each other to rise to the top. I don't think I've seen either of them post anything even remotely accusatory towards the other. I'd buy J just thinking Rosa is town, but Rosa defending J seems icky to me.

also, J said he likes to turn games on their heads, so wouldn't it make sense for him to want to investigate one of the most strongly town-read players?
 
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