Mini Game | Werewolves win

[#HBC | J]

Currently, I like Generic as a town-lean. I still have some ???'s regarding one or both of TSYK/Koopa. I also have a theory that one of Zalak/Spak could be scum, but I am watching that develop more. Slick and Grim are in the same boat of nothing I super like or super dislike so I'm just calling them null.

RR should talk to me because he's null and would be easier for me to read than anyone in the game.

Anywhos, I am tired and not really coherently expressing my thoughts well but I am keen to just sit back and enjoy the fireworks because I feel a break happening soon in solving the two sides of who is which scum-team.

 

[Zalak]

Zalak seems to have mostly good advice, but could be using the tutoring-status of semi-experienced and being "helpful" as a disguise for scummy intent. He's a town lean because I have nothing on him so far, but I'm keeping my eye on him.

Sorry, it took me a while to find the JSR song that goes "IT'S A TOUGH JOB, IT'S A TOUGH JOB, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DO IT".

Anyways, I don't see how giving people general mafia tips can be a disguise for scummy intent. Were I to give tips like... "you should always investigate the players in alphabetical order... oh what's that? my name starts with z? okay, don't worry about me until the very end of the game," then yeah, that's suspicious, but I've only been giving legit mafia tips so far. Also, I'd be giving these tips even if I were maf. I kinda feel like it's my responsibility. I don't want ThatSmasher to get wrecked without getting a word in or receiving any tips on how to do better- oh, yeah I see how you could think I'm protecting ThatSmasher or something. I'm not though. In fact, I was just about to ask ThatSmasher a question.

ThatSmasher, instead of giving us your general reads, what do you think of Generic individually? Ignoring his connection to other players, what do you think of the way he's been acting? Is he scummy, or townie?

 

[Zalak]

@ThatSmasherYouKnow

sorry, forgot to tag you in my latest post.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well I can see you giving mafia tips as scummy because it seems you are feigning content rather than looking for scum. Especially recently as of earlier. I would also advise on just focusing on playing the game instead of giving mafia tips because that is what the ICs are around to do. However, I am taking the approach of just playing the game and giving a thematic view of how a lot of people play the game and then answer questions as people need them.

So to help you get away from that rail of "advice", who implicitly do you find scummy? Give me your biggest two scum-reads and then give me one person you are not looking at for being on either of the teams.

 

[Zalak]

Well I can see you giving mafia tips as scummy because it seems you are feigning content rather than looking for scum. Especially recently as of earlier. I would also advise on just focusing on playing the game instead of giving mafia tips because that is what the ICs are around to do. However, I am taking the approach of just playing the game and giving a thematic view of how a lot of people play the game and then answer questions as people need them.

So to help you get away from that rail of "advice", who implicitly do you find scummy? Give me your biggest two scum-reads and then give me one person you are not looking at for being on either of the teams.

It's a tough job, it's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. If the newbies want to see how an experienced player plays, they can always go read some finished games. Yeah, it's a different experience actually playing with a mafia veteran, but in a newbie game, it's also helpful to have someone giving you tips. Also, as long as Spak's theory that I'm feigning content is out there, there's really no danger of me tricking people into thinking I'm more active than I actually am, and therefore absolutely no reason for me to stop giving out advice.
You kind of jumped on this, didn't you?

Anyways,

Generic and ThatSmasher are my biggest scum reads. Not sure what team either of them would be on. I found some very interesting things on Generic during my re-read. I will definitely post more about him before the end of the in-game day. I'll probably do it during real-life tomorrow, cuz I want to give him time to defend himself (and I want time to hear the opinions of others).

AS FOR THE PEOPLE I WANNA INVESTIGATE TODAY:

I'd like to pay more attention to you, because so far, all of your reads/theories have been extremely vague. I'm also concerned about you for another reason, but I can't tell you what it is until I've seen you play a bit more. (I need to know if it's legit before I let my accusation effect your behavior)

@ TheKingofKoopas needs to post more. His general apprehension gives me bad vibes.

I've also been worried about someone else since starting my re-read, but I don't really have anything solid to go on, so I'll wait before acting on that.

I'll try to keep an eye on everyone I haven't mentioned, but I'm not gonna go too far out of my way to investigate them.

OH ALSO

@Red Ryu needs to post more by the end of the day, or I'm thinking of just voting for him due to inactivity.

 

[Zalak]

Red Ryu needs to post more by the end of the IN-GAME day*

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

I've gone back to read through the game again, and holy crap this is long. I'm at about page 15, and I think I've got a good grasp on what's going on right now.

A lot of Rad's posts were very small nitpicks. I honestly don't believe in a lot of them. I can understand his play style though, since he plays a lot of Town of Salem, and:

no such thing as digging too deep in forum mafia....

Generic was the same way in the beginning, and then let off as time passed and people started accusing him. This could be either town learning to adjust, or scum learning to go with the flow. I'm fairly certain he was learning to adjust, this was at the beginning of the game.

TSYK could either be scum or a newbie town. I'm 50/50 on it, but that's higher chances of being scum than other people here.

Spak's more recent post regarding his opinions are rubbing me the wrong way. His entire paragraph about Generic ended up being his longest one, but pretty much just stated reasons against him, why they don't work, then said gut feeling. Also, he thought Slick had more knowledge of roles than a townie should have, then said town lean? Odd.
Have nothing much else to go off of besides that one post.

Zalak seems town. Everyone else tries to sound serious when it comes to this game, BUT him. He keeps that energetic and quirky tone when he plays, and I have no idea whether that's town or a really self-aware scum. Just something I've noticed.

J has a good reason for being inactive, and seems he's caught up now. So far town lean, but take that with a grain of salt because it's just a few posts, and he doesn't really explain all ideas.

I don't see why everyone says Rosa is a town lean, I just don't find anything good or bad. Basically just inactive or recapping what was going on.

@Red Ryu is completely null. I get he has to read a crap ton of pages (its not fun. skimming took too long to finish), but it's been sometime now, especially since the night phase happened. I wanna say give him another rl day or two before we do anything about it. The slot shouldn't be judged around Omar, as he claims he's not good at Mafia, and he volunteered to leave due to inactivity.

I don't see Slick or Green being too suspicious, just some very minor things.

I still have some ???'s regarding one or both of TSYK/Koopa.

Shoot.

@ TheKingofKoopas needs to post more. His general apprehension gives me bad vibes.

Yep, I'm trying. I'm settled in my dorm, so I should be posting a bit more

Red Ryu needs to post more by the end of the day, or I'm thinking of just voting for him due to inactivity.

Game or rl day?

 

[Kaladin]

Something personal came up. Give me 24 hours on that stuff I said I was gonna get.

 

[Zalak]

Something personal came up. Give me 24 hours on that stuff I said I was gonna get.

no problemo

 

[RosalinaSGS]

Soz about inactivity lately. Also, I'll try to read up when I have time, but mostly I'll just be keeping up with current posts. I'll reiterate my stances, which have changed little.
Slick is townie town. I'm good with him. He's contributed a fair amount, and I like his content.
ThatSmasher is null. His your loss posts are scummy, but I'm not too sure if that makes him scum. It's a bad move regardless of allegiance, and just marks him as newb.
Zalak town lean. Mostly null, but I've began to assume he's town for some reason. Hopefully a good reason. I'm just gonna go with the flow.
Most others are null. No scum reads right now.

As for why Kary died, she was IC. That's what I believed happened, and imo it makes more sense than any other theory.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

I've gone back to read through the game again, and holy crap this is long. I'm at about page 15, and I think I've got a good grasp on what's going on right now.

A lot of Rad's posts were very small nitpicks. I honestly don't believe in a lot of them. I can understand his play style though, since he plays a lot of Town of Salem, and:


Generic was the same way in the beginning, and then let off as time passed and people started accusing him. This could be either town learning to adjust, or scum learning to go with the flow. I'm fairly certain he was learning to adjust, this was at the beginning of the game.

TSYK could either be scum or a newbie town. I'm 50/50 on it, but that's higher chances of being scum than other people here.

Spak's more recent post regarding his opinions are rubbing me the wrong way. His entire paragraph about Generic ended up being his longest one, but pretty much just stated reasons against him, why they don't work, then said gut feeling. Also, he thought Slick had more knowledge of roles than a townie should have, then said town lean? Odd.
Have nothing much else to go off of besides that one post.

Zalak seems town. Everyone else tries to sound serious when it comes to this game, BUT him. He keeps that energetic and quirky tone when he plays, and I have no idea whether that's town or a really self-aware scum. Just something I've noticed.

J has a good reason for being inactive, and seems he's caught up now. So far town lean, but take that with a grain of salt because it's just a few posts, and he doesn't really explain all ideas.

I don't see why everyone says Rosa is a town lean, I just don't find anything good or bad. Basically just inactive or recapping what was going on.

@Red Ryu is completely null. I get he has to read a crap ton of pages (its not fun. skimming took too long to finish), but it's been sometime now, especially since the night phase happened. I wanna say give him another rl day or two before we do anything about it. The slot shouldn't be judged around Omar, as he claims he's not good at Mafia, and he volunteered to leave due to inactivity.

I don't see Slick or Green being too suspicious, just some very minor things.


Shoot.


Yep, I'm trying. I'm settled in my dorm, so I should be posting a bit more



Game or rl day?

I like this post. It follows many of my own thoughts. Especially that bit about Zalak and myself.

But just an fyi: Zalak plays like this as scum as well. He owned me our only other game. So keep an eye on him. Just because he seems happy and quirky doesn't mean he's town.

 

[Zalak]

But just an fyi: Zalak plays like this as scum as well. He owned me our only other game. So keep an eye on him. Just because he seems happy and quirky doesn't mean he's town.

But I lost, and you were the first one on my case! You suspected me more than anyone else did. I don't think it's fair to say I owned you that game

 

[Zalak]

But just an fyi: Zalak plays like this as scum as well. He owned me our only other game. So keep an eye on him. Just because he seems happy and quirky doesn't mean he's town.

This is true though. Watch out @ everyone HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH

 

[Spak]

Spak's more recent post regarding his opinions are rubbing me the wrong way. His entire paragraph about Generic ended up being his longest one, but pretty much just stated reasons against him, why they don't work, then said gut feeling. Also, he thought Slick had more knowledge of roles than a townie should have, then said town lean? Odd.
Have nothing much else to go off of besides that one post.

The reason my Generic read ended up the way it did was because I realized that a lot of stuff I had been saying about him was gameplay-related and I have never played with him before, so I didn't know what Town Generic normally looks like. He still seems scummy to me, though. Slick said one small thing in one of his many posts (many of which I thought supplied good content) that actually couldn't have been scummy from Rad's flip.

 

[RosalinaSGS]

But I lost, and you were the first one on my case! You suspected me more than anyone else did. I don't think it's fair to say I owned you that game

Yeah, but only because you had been pretty much mod-confirmed scum. I actually thought Gheb might have made a mistake! You got me pretty good.

@Everyone
Don't be fooled by his towniness!

 

[SlickWylde]

So, what about TSYK. Do you guys feel like it was just his noobyness? I still have him as my top target. Either we need to lynch him, or you guys need to convince me of someone else's guilt, because I've only seen small details about other players.
I'd like to see every player post a paragraph about TSYK.

It is a bummer @Red Ryu isn't posting though, makes it a little unfair, because we have nothing to judge him off.
Now that we have two of the big inactives, @ RosalinaSGS and @ #HBC | J , we should get some intel on them.

@RosalinaSGS Have you accused anyone? You'll need to remind me. I see you casting doubt on Zalak, but then don't accuse him.

@ #HBC | J Do you know the arguments regarding TSYK? You say you have questions regarding him. I'd love to know what those questions are, and if you're leaning town or scum on him.

Also you mention RR needing to talk to you? RR is dead. Maybe I misunderstood.

 

[GreenReaperGod]

So, what about TSYK. Do you guys feel like it was just his noobyness? I still have him as my top target. Either we need to lynch him, or you guys need to convince me of someone else's guilt, because I've only seen small details about other players.
I'd like to see every player post a paragraph about TSYK.

It is a bummer @Red Ryu isn't posting though, makes it a little unfair, because we have nothing to judge him off.
Now that we have two of the big inactives, @ RosalinaSGS and @ #HBC | J , we should get some intel on them.

@RosalinaSGS Have you accused anyone? You'll need to remind me. I see you casting doubt on Zalak, but then don't accuse him.

@ #HBC | J Do you know the arguments regarding TSYK? You say you have questions regarding him. I'd love to know what those questions are, and if you're leaning town or scum on him.

Also you mention RR needing to talk to you? RR is dead. Maybe I misunderstood.

RR could mean Red Ryu.

Also, I'll post the paragraph once I get ou of school.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

Also you mention RR needing to talk to you? RR is dead. Maybe I misunderstood.

He was referring to Red Ryu.

The reason my Generic read ended up the way it did was because I realized that a lot of stuff I had been saying about him was gameplay-related and I have never played with him before, so I didn't know what Town Generic normally looks like. He still seems scummy to me, though.

That sounds more understandable.

Slick said one small thing in one of his many posts (many of which I thought supplied good content) that actually couldn't have been scummy from Rad's flip.

I was saying that it looked like you might be trying to give him a way out. Now that I think about it more carefully, though, you couldn't have possibly been trying to do that since he flipped town.

Seems like you only figured that out after you said he was still town lean, though.

So, what about TSYK. Do you guys feel like it was just his noobyness? I still have him as my top target. Either we need to lynch him, or you guys need to convince me of someone else's guilt, because I've only seen small details about other players.
I'd like to see every player post a paragraph about TSYK.

Honestly, it's self-explanatory. All of his actions could attribute to being new or scum.
Especially the beginning I'd say scum, but the more and more he posts, the more it seems like he's improving.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

@ ~ Gheb ~ The front page says J was killed N1 instead of Kary.

 

[#HBC | J]

Zalak, I have a quick question for you. You say that your main problem with me is my vagueness. There is reason for that and I am willing to discus this, but I find it ironic that you are calling me out for that reason as being scummy considering you are extremely vague yourself when talking about scum-reads. So what exactly is scummy to you regarding vagueness? How does one person holding their cards closer to their chest scummy?

 

[SlickWylde]

@ TheKingofKoopas How has he been improving? Not that I'm saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see examples. It seems to me like the last few times he posted, he got more negative attention, not positive.

 

[#HBC | J]

Koopa, my ? for you was more about your reads. However, since you gave a lot, I have a new question. Regarding the wagon on you, who looks the most scummiest to you? Who looked like opportunistic scum hopping on an easy wagon? Who looked towny on your wagon? What I would like is for you to dissect your wagon and main opponents against you.

 

[Kaladin]

Observation: I'm being more "Budy-budy" with Zalak than I ever was with Rat, but no one seems to care. Why?

 

[Kaladin]

@ Zalak Now, my read on Slick. I've generally liked his content, aside from pegging me as scum . However, he's been playing really safe and hasn't done anything until it absolutely looks like the townie thing to do... Which could go either way.

Overall bad vibes/slight scum lean, but he needs to actually do more before I can draw any conclusions.

 

[Kaladin]

I've got Bouncing Off The Walls stuck in my head... Thanks, Sugarcult.

Anyways, my reads. So far, I haven't gotten much on J (because illness, but slight town lean because I've liked his content thus far) or Ryu (because he joined more recently and his slot didn't post much before Ryu came), but those are excusable inactivates. I've also not seen much scummy intent from Green and don't see why Kary is pushing so hard off of one tiny post that didn't even look that suspicious to me. He might have been trying to pressure Green because of his inactivity, but it seemed like a fruitless push from the get-go. Kary also seemed super-agressive to me early-game and then tried to slow down with his content later (is getting the ball speeding down the hill a role of the IC?) seemed a bit scummy to me, so he is a slight scum lean to me (but close to town).

Zalak seems to have mostly good advice, but could be using the tutoring-status of semi-experienced and being "helpful" as a disguise for scummy intent. He's a town lean because I have nothing on him so far, but I'm keeping my eye on him. TSYK has little experience in this game (as exemplified from all of his posts D1), tries to defend himself, stops trying and leaves for a while, and comes back acting like nothing happened. At the moment, he seems the most scummy out of everyone because of failing pretty much every defense and making himself look bad even when attention isn't on him (presumably to generate content?).

Generic seems to be trying too hard to have scumhunting intent and it scares me that he's taken control over the game's pacing. He's generated a decent amount of content (but his post count is WAY high in comparison to the amount he has created), RadR and Generic were all buddy-buddy until one of them got to look a bit suspicious and then they turned on each-other (which we know they can't be scum buddies now, but it is still profitable to scum for either a town to die or to make some friends), and has been liking posts like a madman since the start of D1 (and slowed down when someone mentioned it). There are quite a few red flags there and I have a gut feeling that he's a bit scummy, but I don't want to lynch him yet; there are bigger fish to fry posting habits that appear scummy may be genuine, and to be honest, lynches based on not much more than gut feelings can do more harm than good.

I've liked Slick so far this game other than the whole "if you're town tell us now" thing with RadR (that looked like he had role knowledge beyond that of a townie). Town lean.

My Koops analysis hasn't really changed since last summery. Slight scum lean, but still not top on the priority list.

Did I forget anyone?

+1.

 

[SlickWylde]

Observation: I'm being more "Budy-budy" with Zalak than I ever was with Rat, but no one seems to care. Why?

Because it was a stupid accusation in the first place. I, along with a few others, never even gave it a second thought, and even argued against it.

@ Kaladin Give me your thoughts on TSYK. I'd also like to know why you say I'm playing it safe.

Okay, here's my reads:

TSYK: SCUM (I don't buy the whole noob thing. I keep seeing people saying "Well he's posting better" but I haven't seen that at all
Red Ryu: Null - He really needs to post more.
Generic: Slight slight slight town (His points against me have been pretty good and hasn't just tried to force a vote)
GreedReaper: Scum read. I don't like the way he brought me up and TSYK on day 2.
On page 25, GreenReaper said this:
"ThatSmasherYouKnow is still pretty suspicious in my eyes. He needs some more investigation though as one of my points against him turned out to be false. I also want to hear more from Spak. Most of his posts seem to just be explaining why he hasn't been active. In addition, I've got a bad feeling about the Omar slot.
Also, I see some people think Slick might be scum, while I've got him as a town lean. What exactly makes him suspicious? Did I miss something?"
HBC J: Null - I hear he's an experienced player, so I doubt he'd give himself away super easily. I really want to hear him make a strong statement about someone.
KingOfKoopas: Null - People were accusing him on day one, but that seems to have stopped.
Spak - Slight Scum read - Hasn't posted enough. None of his posts have been that helpful in my opinion. Is he the one who said we should hang RedRyu do to inactivity? Because if so, that's a huge red flag.
Zalak: Slight slight scum read - I know I'm going to be alone in this, but I think he seems too town. Whenever someone goes out of their way to post funny things, it seems suspicious to me. For those who play with him, does he play the same way every game?
Rosalina- Haven't really seen too much to base an opinion on. But I'll agree with others that he doesn't seem to have contributed that much to the conversation.

My top 3 scum reads:
TSYK
GreenReaper
Spak
Who am I missing?

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

@ TheKingofKoopas How has he been improving? Not that I'm saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see examples. It seems to me like the last few times he posted, he got more negative attention, not positive.

They're not improving drastically, but his posts have been longer and show more potential.

Koopa, my ? for you was more about your reads. However, since you gave a lot, I have a new question. Regarding the wagon on you, who looks the most scummiest to you? Who looked like opportunistic scum hopping on an easy wagon? Who looked towny on your wagon? What I would like is for you to dissect your wagon and main opponents against you.

I'll do that as soon as I'm off mobile. That'll probably be later tonight.

 

[Spak]

Observation: I'm being more "Budy-budy" with Zalak than I ever was with Rat, but no one seems to care. Why?

Because now we have more to go off of as far as reads so it stuck out more.

 

[Spak]

Spak - Slight Scum read - Hasn't posted enough. None of his posts have been that helpful in my opinion. Is he the one who said we should hang RedRyu do to inactivity? Because if so, that's a huge red flag.

I said no such thing. I said that his slot had a reason to have a low post since Omar didn't replace out until recently.

Seems like you only figured that out after you said he was still town lean, though.

Yeah, that's fair. Still, I liked a lot of his content other than that and unless it's super incriminating (which that wasn't), one bad usually post doesn't ruin a dozen others.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hey Sparky, I asked you a question. *waves*

 

[SlickWylde]

I said no such thing. I said that his slot had a reason to have a low post since Omar didn't replace out until recently.

Yeah, that's fair. Still, I liked a lot of his content other than that and unless it's super incriminating (which that wasn't), one bad usually post doesn't ruin a dozen others.

My bad, it was @ Zalak who said that:
"@Red Ryu needs to post more by the end of the day, or I'm thinking of just voting for him due to inactivity." (Further up on this page)
Zalak, can you explain how that would be helpful? Don't you think it'd be better to focus on someone we think is scum? Sure, if he's scum let's get rid of him, but killing him because of inactivity? Do you think it's better to kill an inactive Townie, because they can't help vote? I'm looking for an explanation, not a defense.

 

[#HBC | J]

So I am noticing a common trend with toDay. We only have one vote down from any player in the game. Do not be afraid to lay your vote down to help voice your opinions much stronger. It is a lot stronger when you lay your vote down with your word because actions speak louder than words. So if you have a scum-read or someone you want to look at more, feel free to vote them and give them a reason to answer your questions or give them a reason to start to get worried about being lynched. If people agree with your opinion, then you gain momentum. If not, you can also gain information by forcing people into making opinions and having that evidence there to cite later.

To not be a hypocrite and also to show what I mean;

Vote: Spak

I'd like you to answer my questions and talk to me for a bit. I've asked that a bit ago, but you've yet to follow up on this. I'm growing concerned with your slot the more you post.

 

[SlickWylde]

Yeah I guess that makes sense.
Well, I'm still voting for the same one I was voting for last time.
Vote: ThatSmasherYouKnow

 

[Zalak]

Zalak, I have a quick question for you. You say that your main problem with me is my vagueness. There is reason for that and I am willing to discus this, but I find it ironic that you are calling me out for that reason as being scummy considering you are extremely vague yourself when talking about scum-reads. So what exactly is scummy to you regarding vagueness? How does one person holding their cards closer to their chest scummy?

It's a simple issue of I've seen nothing that isn't vague from you. I only give out vague info when I'm specifically asked for something that I do not want to fully reveal yet.

 

[Zalak]

My bad, it was @ Zalak who said that:
"@Red Ryu needs to post more by the end of the day, or I'm thinking of just voting for him due to inactivity." (Further up on this page)
Zalak, can you explain how that would be helpful? Don't you think it'd be better to focus on someone we think is scum? Sure, if he's scum let's get rid of him, but killing him because of inactivity? Do you think it's better to kill an inactive Townie, because they can't help vote? I'm looking for an explanation, not a defense.

To be completely honest, it was more of a threat to get him posting I just think it's kinda unfair to have someone not posting at all, and scum players with nothing to contribute sometimes hide in the shadows, so if he continues to be inactive, I figure there's a good chance he's scum. It would probably make more sense to lynch an active player, however.

 

[Zalak]

@ Kaladin

I'm gonna post my reasons for being concerned about you now, but if you're too busy to respond, I won't hold it against you.

 

[Zalak]

Time to find some quotes............

 

[Zalak]

Oh and @ #HBC | J if you could post your reasons for being suspicious of Spak, I would really appreciate that. Spak is someone I haven't been paying much attention to this game.

 

[Kaladin]

@ Kaladin

I'm gonna post my reasons for being concerned about you now, but if you're too busy to respond, I won't hold it against you.

I shpuld be able to respond provided nothing unexpected comes up.

 

[SlickWylde]

To be completely honest, it was more of a threat to get him posting I just think it's kinda unfair to have someone not posting at all, and scum players with nothing to contribute sometimes hide in the shadows, so if he continues to be inactive, I figure there's a good chance he's scum. It would probably make more sense to lynch an active player, however.

Okay. That post just kinda struck me the wrong way. I agree that it's unfair, because we have no way of finding out what he is, since he doesn't give us anything.

Have you voted yet? I'd like to see your vote.