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Miiverse Daily Pic Thread: 2nd Edition (Updated 9/19)
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Radical Bones
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Question: would you rather these 12 customisable specials, or a roster of 60 - 70ish characters.
Bravetriforcer
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Did you mean "Slightly faster but weaker" arrows and "Slightly slower and stronger" arrows?
Too bad, that's what's gonna happen anyway!
70 characters easily.
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Ryuutakeshi
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Characters. All the way.
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Why not both?
Kamikazek
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That's not the impression I got from today's comment. It didn't seem to me like he was saying he doesn't think the custom moves are balanced in respect to each other, but rather that in anonymous matches he'd rather have people know exactly what they're facing when they fight a certain character, and thus no customization. Which is actually exactly the problem a lot of people on this forum have had with customization (though not something I agree with personally).
Anyways, great to see this update! As I said a few pages back, the custom move variants are what I'm currently most interested in seeing from the POTD!
Customizable specials. 70 characters is too much. More isn't always better.
praline
the white witch
70 character roster.
Kamikazek
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Yes, there's also equipment.
TheDMonroeShow
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Characters, not sure if I'm in the minority but I was actually upset about the custom moves thing. I much rather of had them spent that development time working on new character's moveset instead of customizable ones for existing characters that will hardly get used.
abrinx77
Smash Journeyman
Tornado Punch is pretty cool, I must say. Didn't expect that.
Ryuutakeshi
Smash Lord
I thought that was for stuff like smash run and amiibo
ScottyWK
Smash Lord
It depends.
If the characters include Mewtwo/Ridley/K. Rool/Isaac etc, and the customizable moves are giving Luigi a dictionary to throw at people, than characters.
If the characters are Daisy, Waluigi, Lanky Kong, Ashley, etc, and the moves are Luigi's poltergust, Toon Link's leaf, Donkey Kong's coconut launcher, then I'll take the moves.
TeenGirlSquad
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62 characters.
Kamikazek
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I don't think it really matters since the two aren't remotely comparable.
Plain Yogurt
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The custom specials easily. Tinkering with stuff like this is fun to me.
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Yes, provide a "default" set that may very well not be the set that the player uses for their "main".
Sakurai sure is incompetent for not even attempting something counterproductive to the very purpose of the Mii Fighter.
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This is Sakurai's way of trying to include the blowing mechanic from DKC Returns.
TheDMonroeShow
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Well I would assume the same developers are working on both so to some degree they are comparable because instead of doing one they could be doing the other.
Kamikazek
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The E3 roundtable discussion or whatever gave me the impression that both special moves and equipment can be used for vs. mode and one player. Whereas items are exclusive to Smash Run and Stats are exclusive to amiibo.
CatRaccoonBL
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I don't see why this picture is disappointing.
It just goes to show how crazy these custom specials can shake things up and how different they can actually be. Really looking forward to how they change the specials of all my mains. :D
If we did combine the time to create all these specials and put it into making newcomers, I would say he would be able to make two-three newcomers at best. :/
It just goes to show how crazy these custom specials can shake things up and how different they can actually be. Really looking forward to how they change the specials of all my mains. :D
Most likely easily edited specials vs. very hard to create newcomers...
If we did combine the time to create all these specials and put it into making newcomers, I would say he would be able to make two-three newcomers at best. :/
YoshiSonic
Smash Ace
Omg, THIS right here...
In the invitational I was sooo mad about seeing the same moves of characters (That dasturdly fludd is back too, but no pros used it)
Even more mad on alot of the same final smashes to, including the still useless DK Konga Beat..
What's more sad is that they may not change moves or at least the final smashes that would make the game more unique when comparing to Brawl. (Not saying it's Brawl 2.0 though)
I just want new moves meng, that are mandatory, not customs that are "BANNED" on the aspect people play most, Worldwide mode...
I still like the idea of Custom movesets though but.. veterans need love to, not just some of them (Pit and Bowser, even though his final smash is still GigaBowser)
Good POTD either way..
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TeenGirlSquad
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Eh, well I guess it's not too bad, I'll mostly be playing with my boyfriend anyway.
TheDMonroeShow
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For some reason after I read this all I pictured was that old sanity clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1FJCWynDcg
TeenGirlSquad
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JabbatheHutt
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Thats rediculous...... People get so hung up over warios moves not representing him...... That Tornado Punch makes no sense. was that in a DK game I never played?
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I honestly really wanna see Sonic's customizable moves. Maybe it'll be stuff that'll actually fit his moveset and make him actually good.
Or maybe not because Sakurai.
Or maybe not because Sakurai.
Vintage Creep
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I really, really don't like custom movesets.
I would've rather have only another alternate move which made sense.
Like DK's alternate Side-B should've been him throwing a barrel like in the original game.
I would've rather have only another alternate move which made sense.
Like DK's alternate Side-B should've been him throwing a barrel like in the original game.
praline
the white witch
Unlike some people I didn't think this was boring. :D
Morbi
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What are you talking about? I mean provide a default Mii aesthetically rather than outright banning the character. Mii Fighters are banned online because they might be inappropriate, you make this notion negligible by ensuring that you cannot customize your Mii.Yes, provide a "default" set that may very well not be the set that the player uses for their "main".
Sakurai sure is incompetent for not even attempting something counterproductive to the very purpose of the Mii Fighter.
CatRaccoonBL
You can do it!
*internet high five*
Well, the problem with that is it would take a considerable much bigger amount of time to do that then the current custom moveset idea.
YoshiSonic
Smash Ace
Side B, Barrel throw? Now that would be the bee's knees.
More Iconic than the..uh..arm sledgehammer?
Z'zgashi
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One thing people dont seem to understand, is that the DK who used to throw barrels isnt actually the same DK as we know in Smash nowadawys.
praline
the white witch
Arm sledgehammer? isn't side special the headbutt move?
Kamikazek
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Well some of the same dev time would be involved but there's just a whole lot of factors that separate them.
Adding a custom move means a new visual effect for the attack, some programing/frame changes to alter the attack's properties, and some (relatively) simple balancing tests.
New characters means a new model for each game, one of which is a detailed HD model, an entire new movelist (jab tilts smashes aerials grab/throws special moves that aren't just tweaks of existing special moves final smash), a crap ton of animations and facial expressions for being hit/grabbing ledges/running/walking/swimming maybe/jumping/double jumpy/tripping on banana peels/being hit by varous effect attacks ect. ect. ect., likely extensive research into that character and every game they've been in quite possibly including playing the games to get a feel for them, physics traits like the character's weight floatiness traction and speed, potentially working out character specific gimmicks, a new CG trailer if that character is a newcomer, likely a home stage for that character and if they're from a new series a bunch of new music, voice work which requires pick and hiring a voice actor, determing sound effects for every action, likely extensive back and forth with the company that owns the character if they aren't from vanilla Nintendo like with the Pokémon characters, little extra things that playable characters get like an end of classic mode montage multiple trophies minigames if those end up being individualized again official artwork a website page a Kirby hat ect., and most importantly a much, much more rigorous balancing process. And probably other things I'm not thinking of/not aware of.
And balancing gets a lot harder the larger your cast gets, in a fashion that's non-linear, and things tend to become a real mess when you get past 50ish characters, especially if you're adding a lot of new ones all at once. I don't think this is nearly as acute a problem with custom moves, though it still is to an extent.
To say nothing of the fact that the effect that they have on the game at large (giving each character more options vs. just having more characters overall, among other things) is just wildly different, though I guess that's what the question was addressing.
I just think it's a bit far into apples and oranges territory. Also, I really don't think cutting the custom move variants entirely would give us more than just a couple extra characters. I pretty positive there's no way we'd be getting 60-70 characters either way.
praline
the white witch
Yeah that's Cranky!
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