Micaiah for Brawl *Radiant Dawn Spoilers*

[y3nia659]

He was in two FE games, in a row. He's a perfect antagonist representative, as well. Being a sticker does nothing. Kirby's a sticky, he can't be deconfirmed in any way.

He's supposed to have priority over Mario. Sakurai made Kirby. Don't spoil for me, I'm only on the second Jailbreak.

well Elnicia is also in two games, and more important than Black Knight in both.

 

[thedup]

Don't care too much about any other couples, but I hate that they made Astrid/Makalov canon, seriously eww. She's supposed to be some hot princess and her choices in Radiance are big fat Brom, fugly Makalov and the child Sothe either that or her big fat fiancee. I spose out of thoise though Makalov is the best but then she would have hideous pink haired ******** looking babies, here;s hoping they would take after their mum and aunty more than their fugly dad.

qft

I HATE Makalov. I hated him in the last game, because he was worthless, and in my second PoR playthrough, Astrid was my most used character (just beating out Mia and Nephenee) and she deserves much better than him. I actually would have preferred that she hooked up with Gatrie if someone had to be chosen, because I actually liked those support conversations

fyi, for RD, my most used character is Jill. she's already lvl 16 third tier and I'm only on chapter 3 of part 4

 

[Zevox]

He was in two FE games, in a row. He's a perfect antagonist representative, as well. Being a sticker does nothing. Kirby's a sticky, he can't be deconfirmed in any way.

Black Knight being in two FE games is his only advantage, though. Being an antagonist isn't and advantage - if anything, thats a huge disadvantage, since it means hes not a Lord, who are the most important and popular characters of the series. In addition, hes not even the primary antagonist in either of his games, but merely a sub-plot for Ike (

Spoiler

and minor temporary ally for Micaiah/powerful flunky for Ashnard & the RD final antagonist

). The most important thing he ever does is kill Greil/Gawane. Theres no reason to put in any FE antagonist as anything but ATs and Subspace bosses, and the Black Knight is no exception. He'd make a decent boss in Subspace Emissary or a good AT, and may well get both, but playable he has no shot of being.

Oh, and the sticker thing, the issue isn't just that hes a sticker, but that he was revealed as such so casually. If Sothe were going to be playable, he wouldn't be shown as a sticker in an update like this - he'd be saved for his newcomer update to surprise everyone. This is the same reason everyone considers Tingle's trophy to deconfirm him.

On other topics, pairings for Micaiah... eh, I can't seriously see anything but Sothe. Nobody else really fits. For pure fun of speculation, maybe Edward, though she seems to look on him more as a child she needs to help take of and guide than anything else. Perhaps Nolan - he seems old for her at first, but then again

Spoiler

she is a branded, and so almost surely not as young as she appears, and they do seem to share a certain understanding and comradery different from what they have with Edward/Leonardo. It may also be telling that Nolan let her assume command of the Dawn Brigade when he was the one who originally formed it.

On the Ike/Elincia thing, I'm not fond of that - too predictable after PoR, and besides, Ike's hate of all things political is too great for him to even think of it. Well, okay, maybe he'd think of it, but he'd never go through with it. I'm more of an Ike/Mia kind of guy (the master and the student - kinda reminds me of Luke and Mara from Star Wars, minus the early-relationship bad blood). Their personalities are perfect for each other (Ike is so grim most of the time, but tends to loosen up among his friends, and who better to help him with that than the ever-cheerful Mia?), and besides, who else could put up with Mia's obsession with becoming a better swordswoman 24/7? Elincia can have Geoffrey or something (I don't really care, to be honest).

Oh, and I agree with xianfeng on Astrid and Makalov. How dumb you have to be not to be able to tell you should stay as far away from that guy as is physically possible I'll never know.

Zevox

 

[Hong]

Haha. I guess I'm a total loser for thinking Makalov is awesome.

In some odd disturbing way, he is a very interesting and attractive character. At least to me. Perhaps it's his crude ways of progressing through life, or his easy-going stature that only holds together until he is dragged by the ear. He almost always has that goofy grimace on his face while he loiters around instead of paying off his debts or serving the Crimean crown. I find it hard not to like him, but that's probably just me. xP

Oh, I'm also for Ike and Elincia because Geoffrey is so cheesy and dumb. >:/ Ike is Elincia's true hero and

Spoiler

he only had to step down from his position in Crimea because of arrogant nobles. When I look back at when Geoffrey came to aid Queen Elincia on the final chapter of part 3 in Radiant Dawn, he never really did anything significant. Ike on the other hand (with the word from Bastain) saved Lucia's life while Elincia and Geoffrey could just watch helplessly.

It's kind of annoying how Geoffrey overplays his part.

I'd have to agree with Zevox about the roster. Black Knight is about as likely as Ness, of whom is more deconfirmed than Captain Planet. It'll be Ike and Marth. The slightest chance of Sakurai going with Sigurd instead of Marth, but I really doubt that since unlike Lucas and Ness it isn't necessary. But he is a random guy so who knows? For all we know, we could get like three Fire Emblem reps. In such a scenario that there is another character beyond Ike and Marth, we better get someone who isn't a sword wielder. :/

 

[Repryx]

Like Ephraim!....And Whats up with the Captain Planet Reference??? It would be nice if were in the game though and any level with Water he would PWN

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Black Knight being in two FE games is his only advantage, though. Being an antagonist isn't and advantage - if anything, thats a huge disadvantage, since it means hes not a Lord, who are the most important and popular characters of the series. In addition, hes not even the primary antagonist in either of his games, but merely a sub-plot for Ike (

Spoiler

and minor temporary ally for Micaiah/powerful flunky for Ashnard & the RD final antagonist

). The most important thing he ever does is kill Greil/Gawane. Theres no reason to put in any FE antagonist as anything but ATs and Subspace bosses, and the Black Knight is no exception. He'd make a decent boss in Subspace Emissary or a good AT, and may well get both, but playable he has no shot of being.

Oh, and the sticker thing, the issue isn't just that hes a sticker, but that he was revealed as such so casually. If Sothe were going to be playable, he wouldn't be shown as a sticker in an update like this - he'd be saved for his newcomer update to surprise everyone. This is the same reason everyone considers Tingle's trophy to deconfirm him.

On other topics, pairings for Micaiah... eh, I can't seriously see anything but Sothe. Nobody else really fits. For pure fun of speculation, maybe Edward, though she seems to look on him more as a child she needs to help take of and guide than anything else. Perhaps Nolan - he seems old for her at first, but then again

Spoiler

she is a branded, and so almost surely not as young as she appears, and they do seem to share a certain understanding and comradery different from what they have with Edward/Leonardo. It may also be telling that Nolan let her assume command of the Dawn Brigade when he was the one who originally formed it.

On the Ike/Elincia thing, I'm not fond of that - too predictable after PoR, and besides, Ike's hate of all things political is too great for him to even think of it. Well, okay, maybe he'd think of it, but he'd never go through with it. I'm more of an Ike/Mia kind of guy (the master and the student - kinda reminds me of Luke and Mara from Star Wars, minus the early-relationship bad blood). Their personalities are perfect for each other (Ike is so grim most of the time, but tends to loosen up among his friends, and who better to help him with that than the ever-cheerful Mia?), and besides, who else could put up with Mia's obsession with becoming a better swordswoman 24/7? Elincia can have Geoffrey or something (I don't really care, to be honest).

Oh, and I agree with xianfeng on Astrid and Makalov. How dumb you have to be not to be able to tell you should stay as far away from that guy as is physically possible I'll never know.

Zevox

Unessecary Spoilers...

Anyways, I'm sure everyone loved playing as him in Radiant Dawn, why not Melee? Brawl has obviously taken a liking to Antagonists.

Hell, Kirby's franchise has the antagonist reps outnumberng the protagonists.


It brakes my heart knowing Black Knight will leave the party after two chapters...NO MORE SPOILERS!

 

[Hong]

And Whats up with the Captain Planet Reference??? It would be nice if were in the game though and any level with Water he would PWN

I just picked a random character who is just as unlikely.

 

[y3nia659]

I really want Radiant Dawn

 

[Chidosengan]

I really want Radiant Dawn

You haven't gotten it yet?

 

[y3nia659]

no I wanted to get it for one reason only....to play as Elincia :D well that was my first reason and then I started liking it more and more (from what I saw)

 

[Kirby knight]

Unessecary Spoilers...

Anyways, I'm sure everyone loved playing as him in Radiant Dawn, why not Melee? Brawl has obviously taken a liking to Antagonists.

Hell, Kirby's franchise has the antagonist reps outnumberng the protagonists.


It brakes my heart knowing Black Knight will leave the party after two chapters...NO MORE SPOILERS!

Yes, I sure loved using the Black Knight sucking up exp from all of my units, so awesome

Also don't make a reference about the Kirby series unless your going to go fully into it. Kirby, Metaknight and King Dedede are the 3 most important characters in the Kirby franchise. The Black Knight is far from important in the timeline of PoR and RD barring a few instances let alone the entirety of the Fire Emblem franchise.

Anyway moving on to something else. I have a new favorite Fire Emblem character, Pelleas, unlike some other characters he actually shown human realism. I would talk about more why I like Pelleas but you know spoilers :/

-Knight

 

[Zevox]

Anyways, I'm sure everyone loved playing as him in Radiant Dawn, why not Melee?

I sure didn't. He can't level up, nothing can hurt him, and he kills everything in one hit, two if they're abnormally tough and Eclipse doesn't activate. And like Kirby Knight said, anything he kills is xp the others don't get, which stinks. Hes like a Jeigan character, except worse.

Brawl has obviously taken a liking to Antagonists.

We have all of one new major antagonist, and him being a highly popular character from an under-represented series (Dedede). If you count Wario (which I don't, since hes expanded beyond his original role as a Mario antagonist), thats two. I don't see where you're getting this assumption from.

Hell, Kirby's franchise has the antagonist reps outnumberng the protagonists.

Two things: first, Meta Knight isn't an antagonist, hes an anti-hero/rival to Kirby. He helps almost as often as he works against Kirby. Second, as Kirby Knight said, MK and Dedede are the most important characters of their series after Kirby. The Black Knight comes nowhere near being among the most important characters of Fire Emblem, or even of the individual games he appears in.

NO MORE SPOILERS!

They got put in those spoiler tags/blackened text for that reason, you know.

Zevox

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Yes, I sure loved using the Black Knight sucking up exp from all of my units, so awesome

Also don't make a reference about the Kirby series unless your going to go fully into it. Kirby, Metaknight and King Dedede are the 3 most important characters in the Kirby franchise. The Black Knight is far from important in the timeline of PoR and RD barring a few instances let alone the entirety of the Fire Emblem franchise.

Anyway moving on to something else. I have a new favorite Fire Emblem character, Pelleas, unlike some other characters he actually shown human realism. I would talk about more why I like Pelleas but you know spoilers :/

-Knight

I sure didn't. He can't level up, nothing can hurt him, and he kills everything in one hit, two if they're abnormally tough and Eclipse doesn't activate. And like Kirby Knight said, anything he kills is xp the others don't get, which stinks. Hes like a Jeigan character, except worse.


We have all of one new major antagonist, and him being a highly popular character from an under-represented series (Dedede). If you count Wario (which I don't, since hes expanded beyond his original role as a Mario antagonist), thats two. I don't see where you're getting this assumption from.


Two things: first, Meta Knight isn't an antagonist, hes an anti-hero/rival to Kirby. He helps almost as often as he works against Kirby. Second, as Kirby Knight said, MK and Dedede are the most important characters of their series after Kirby. The Black Knight comes nowhere near being among the most important characters of Fire Emblem, or even of the individual games he appears in.


They got put in those spoiler tags/blackened text for that reason, you know.

Zevox

Black Knight's theme and slashes look awesome, and he takes care of bosses and wallingquite well.

The final Product of Brawl will have a massive amount of Antagonists compared to Melee. In 64 they didn't even have any.

Kirby is the main character, thus making Meta Knight the antagonist. You have yet to establish how Black Knight is of no revelance to the storyline.

It shows up when you quote.


Your only arguement, is that Black Knight has low relevance to the series. HOWEVER, you never established that with any fact. He is the reason for a number of problems in the game, which makes it more fun.

That's why people didn't like Sacred Stones, it had barely any backstory except for one plot. Black Knight killed Greil. That was major influence for Ike. He also provided the best boss fight in PoR. He's the reason why Miciah is still living.

 

[raphtmarqui]

"I'm more of an Ike/Mia kind of guy"

Me2

 

[Marcman2020]

I admit, she'd look pretty decent in Brawl... but I have ONE problem with her... I've read that one of her moves involves sacraficing her own HP to heal her team mate's, and that most of her moves in general are more healing related... so I think that making a move set for her might be a problem... unless some one here made one already that seems reasonable

so, any idea's for what she can do? I'm mainly talking about her B-moves and her final smash

her and Ike could fight as a duo, and I'd like that

 

[Kirby knight]

Black Knight's theme and slashes look awesome, and he takes care of bosses and wallingquite well.

There is no reason at all to use the Black Knight besides that one chapter it's stupid to use him as anything but a meatshield by unequiping his sword. Otherwise he steals to much exp from the cast, which they need alot more than he does.

The final Product of Brawl will have a massive amount of Antagonists compared to Melee. In 64 they didn't even have any.

I don't care, that does not mean that every franchise has to have a playable antagonist, it seems like your trying to point it in that direction. The fact of the matter is that every franchise that has an antagonist type character, that them because they are vitally important to the plot. The Black Knight is not.

Kirby is the main character, thus making Meta Knight the antagonist. You have yet to establish how Black Knight is of no revelance to the storyline.

Ok fine, since I really don't want to spoil you however answer me this, Is the Black Knight on the importance level as Micaiah and Ike? If the answer is yes then he deserves a spot, however if he is not, then he should only be a boss not a playable character.

It shows up when you quote.

I don't want to spoil you any further, the spoilers surrounding the Black Knight are so great that you actually have almost beaten the game in order to fully understand it. Of course if you want me to spoil you I can.


Your only arguement, is that Black Knight has low relevance to the series. HOWEVER, you never established that with any fact. He is the reason for a number of problems in the game, which makes it more fun.

There is no reason at all to add a character so minor when compared to the Lords of the Fire Emblem series. The Black Knight is not as important as a lord as such he should not take priority over them when it comes to choosing a playable spot to the Fire Emblem roster

That's why people didn't like Sacred Stones, it had barely any backstory except for one plot. Black Knight killed Greil. That was major influence for Ike. He also provided the best boss fight in PoR. He's the reason why Miciah is still living.

Prove to me that the Black Knight is as important as any lord and maybe I'll change my stance on whether or not he deserves a spot. There are so many characters within the PoR RD timeline are more important than the Black Knight. I'll provide an example. Why is the Black Knight more important than say:

The King of Goldoa? A king who fought for the goddess herself? A king that knows what will happen if the entire world is enveloped in warfare.

-Knight

 

[Zevox]

Black Knight's theme and slashes look awesome, and he takes care of bosses and wallingquite well.

The first is opinion and irrelevant to Brawl, and the second is equally irrelevant.

The final Product of Brawl will have a massive amount of Antagonists compared to Melee. In 64 they didn't even have any.

Thats a rather baseless assumption. Melee had two, Bowser and Ganondorf, arguably three if you count Mewtwo. Thus far, Brawl only has one more, Dedede.

Kirby is the main character, thus making Meta Knight the antagonist.

Don't you know what an anti-hero is? Meta Knight isn't a hero or a villain. Just because he isn't the main hero like Kirby doesn't automatically make him a villain.

You have yet to establish how Black Knight is of no revelance to the storyline.

And you have never established that he is of any importance.

In any event, his lack of importance should be painfully obvious. Hes a flunky, through and though - a powerful one, but a flunky nonetheless. First for Ashnard, then for Micaiah, then for the ultimate RD villain (not naming for spoiler issues). Ike is the only character who cares about him more than other enemy generals, and thats due to his sub-plot of revenge, not because of any actual importance the Black Knight has to anyone or anything else. His superiors are the important characters, and being their flunky doesn't make him important. I'd go into more detail, but it would entail spoiling major elements of the story to explain fully.

Your only arguement, is that Black Knight has low relevance to the series. HOWEVER, you never established that with any fact.

Hes of little importance to PoR and RD, as I stated above. Hes of no importance to the series as a whole, save in that hes a recurring character.

He is the reason for a number of problems in the game, which makes it more fun.

Black Knight killed Greil. That was major influence for Ike.

This is just the thing: that is the only thing of importance he ever does. And even this becomes nothing but a sub-plot of the game, not a major piece of the overarching plot. Since Greil was crippled and slowly giving Ike the reigns of the Greil Mercenaries anyway, his presence wouldn't have changed much of anything of the plot.

He also provided the best boss fight in PoR.

This is opinion and irrelevant. If I thought Gohma was the best boss fight in the Zelda games, that wouldn't make her a good Brawl choice, now would it?

He's the reason why Miciah is still living.

Right, because shes so helpless she could never have saved herself.

Zevox

 

[xianfeng]

That's why people didn't like Sacred Stones, it had barely any backstory except for one plot.

which was also weak and predictable, had no character development for anyone but Matthew a common Myrimdon, characters were all overpowered, it was far too easy, going back on old levels made levelling up a sinch.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

The first is opinion and irrelevant to Brawl, and the second is equally irrelevant.


Thats a rather baseless assumption. Melee had two, Bowser and Ganondorf, arguably three if you count Mewtwo. Thus far, Brawl only has one more, Dedede.


Don't you know what an anti-hero is? Meta Knight isn't a hero or a villain. Just because he isn't the main hero like Kirby doesn't automatically make him a villain.


And you have never established that he is of any importance.

In any event, his lack of importance should be painfully obvious. Hes a flunky, through and though - a powerful one, but a flunky nonetheless. First for Ashnard, then for Micaiah, then for the ultimate RD villain (not naming for spoiler issues). Ike is the only character who cares about him more than other enemy generals, and thats due to his sub-plot of revenge, not because of any actual importance the Black Knight has to anyone or anything else. His superiors are the important characters, and being their flunky doesn't make him important. I'd go into more detail, but it would entail spoiling major elements of the story to explain fully.


Hes of little importance to PoR and RD, as I stated above. Hes of no importance to the series as a whole, save in that hes a recurring character.


This is just the thing: that is the only thing of importance he ever does. And even this becomes nothing but a sub-plot of the game, not a major piece of the overarching plot. Since Greil was crippled and slowly giving Ike the reigns of the Greil Mercenaries anyway, his presence wouldn't have changed much of anything of the plot.


This is opinion and irrelevant. If I thought Gohma was the best boss fight in the Zelda games, that wouldn't make her a good Brawl choice, now would it?


Right, because shes so helpless she could never have saved herself.

Zevox

You forget, that MANY Antagonists have great chances. Ridley, Dark Samus, K. Rool, you're only using the confirmed characters right now to show villain count. There will be PLENTY.

He's a "flunky"? He saved Miciah's Life. He's the reasn why the game doesn't stop at ****ing 6/7 chapters. He's also the spice in PoR, the reason why Ike hated Daein and him. That spice, maks the story interesting.

If Black Knight wasn't in PoR/RD:

Miciah would be dead.

Ike would be the new Ephraim(One plot and blandness for no spice)

Jarod's friend would be alive (I don't know why it matters, but it's a change)

Ike wouldn't form the Greil Mercenaries in RD, hell, he probably wouldn't even went to war and just stayed in Greil Mercenaries.

True, but still, you can't deny the fact that almost everyone wants Gannondorf with his sword because of the Twilight Princess Boss Fight.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

which was also weak and predictable, had no character development for anyone but Matthew a common Myrimdon, characters were all overpowered, it was far too easy, going back on old levels made levelling up a sinch.

I liked that. They should of made it harder and with more Spice, was all.

If you don't like that, RPGs are not for you.

 

[NukeA6]

True, but still, you can't deny the fact that almost everyone wants Gannondorf with his sword because of the Twilight Princess Boss Fight.

People wanted Ganondorf with his sword long before Melee was released.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Prove to me that the Black Knight is as important as any lord and maybe I'll change my stance on whether or not he deserves a spot. There are so many characters within the PoR RD timeline are more important than the Black Knight. I'll provide an example. Why is the Black Knight more important than say:

The King of Goldoa? A king who fought for the goddess herself? A king that knows what will happen if the entire world is enveloped in warfare.

-Knight

Black Knight is a hard to forget character, provided you played the game. That would obviously mean he had revelance to the series. King of Goldoa..what was his name again? I don't think Goldoa was even in Radiant Dawn. Don't tell me if he is or isn't, I'm only in the part where Lucia tries to indict Ludwig (whatever his name) with the evidence.

Oh, Lucia and Nephenee are lords! Lucia and Nephenee for Brawl!!(only what y3nia'd say anyways, she did that with Elincia)

 

[Biggie Smalls]

People wanted Ganondorf with his sword long before Melee was released.

I don't know where the hell you're getting at.

 

[NukeA6]

I don't know where the hell you're getting at.

Ever watched the SpaceWorld Demo?

 

[Kirby knight]

You forget, that MANY Antagonists have great chances. Ridley, Dark Samus, K. Rool, you're only using the confirmed characters right now to show villain count. There will be PLENTY.

He's a "flunky"? He saved Miciah's Life. He's the reasn why the game doesn't stop at ****ing 6/7 chapters. He's also the spice in PoR, the reason why Ike hated Daein and him. That spice, maks the story interesting.

If Black Knight wasn't in PoR/RD:

Miciah would be dead.

Ike would be the new Ephraim(One plot and blandness for no spice)

Jarod's friend would be alive (I don't know why it matters, but it's a change)

Ike wouldn't form the Greil Mercenaries in RD, hell, he probably wouldn't even went to war and just stayed in Greil Mercenaries.

True, but still, you can't deny the fact that almost everyone wants Gannondorf with his sword because of the Twilight Princess Boss Fight.

Please don't use this "what if" bull crap because it's dumb. What if the Black Knight suffered fatal injuries from Mist slapping him across the face? Then what?

Do you even know why he kept saving Micaiah? It's obvious you do not know, and once you get further along in the game you will come to understand that the Black Knight is not as important as your making him out to be.

Black Knight is a hard to forget character, provided you played the game. That would obviously mean he had revelance to the series. King of Goldoa..what was his name again? I don't think Goldoa was even in Radiant Dawn. Don't tell me if he is or isn't, I'm only in the part where Lucia tries to indict Ludwig (whatever his name) with the evidence.

Oh, Lucia and Nephenee are lords! Lucia and Nephenee for Brawl!!(only what y3nia'd say anyways, she did that with Elincia)

I was making a reference when comparing a character importance wise. The Black Knight had relevance but it wasn't so outstanding that it's comparable to Micaiah's Elincia's Sankai's or Ike's involvement in the storyline, unless of course your going to tell me otherwise.

Don't state things like "I don't think Goldoa was even in Radiant Dawn, unless your played the game first; jumping to conclusions about something you don't fully have a grasp on yet is kind of silly, I would be happy to discuss this at length when to do complete the game.

I was comparing King Dheginsea's overall importance with the Black Knight's importance. I mean this can even be done in PoR.

-Knight

 

[Fawriel]

*walks in*

Black Knight won't be a playable character.
If Ike is by far the slowest character to ever have graced the Smash Brothers series, what is Black Knight gonna do? Lure characters with bait so he can take a minute or two to smash them?

*walks back out*

 

[Biggie Smalls]

*walks in*

Black Knight won't be a playable character.
If Ike is by far the slowest character to ever have graced the Smash Brothers series, what is Black Knight gonna do? Lure characters with bait so he can take a minute or two to smash them?

*walks back out*

You're an idiot.

He's a DK with a sword. He's fast, the armor is all that's limiting him.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Please don't use this "what if" bull crap because it's dumb. What if the Black Knight suffered fatal injuries from Mist slapping him across the face? Then what?

Do you even know why he kept saving Micaiah? It's obvious you do not know, and once you get further along in the game you will come to understand that the Black Knight is not as important as your making him out to be.



I was making a reference when comparing a character importance wise. The Black Knight had relevance but it wasn't so outstanding that it's comparable to Micaiah's Elincia's Sankai's or Ike's involvement in the storyline, unless of course your going to tell me otherwise.

Don't state things like "I don't think Goldoa was even in Radiant Dawn, unless your played the game first; jumping to conclusions about something you don't fully have a grasp on yet is kind of silly, I would be happy to discuss this at length when to do complete the game.

I was comparing King Dheginsea's overall importance with the Black Knight's importance. I mean this can even be done in PoR.

-Knight

Thanks for dodging my point. Mist never slapped Black Knight. That's "bullcrap". If Black Knight wasn't in the story, there would NO SPiCE! The next Ephraim!

 

[Fawriel]

You're an idiot.

You can tell yourself that all that you won't, it doesn't change anything. Ike is fast in the game, from what I heard. Black Knight is a knight with two tons of armor. It doesn't matter if he's fast or not. He will be compared to Ike. And if Ike is that slow despite not displaying any outrageous slowness in the games, then it would be absolutely ridiculous to have Black Knight in the role of the fast heavyweight when it would make so much more sense vice-versa.
There's just no discussion involved there. It's not happening. You've probably heard this argument already, though, so I won't bother trying to squeeze it into your head. Was just throwing in the obvious. *shrugs*

 

[Kirby knight]

Thanks for dodging my point. Mist never slapped Black Knight. That's "bullcrap". If Black Knight wasn't in the story, there would NO SPiCE! The next Ephraim!

Your giving me the impression that you have selective reading, I really hope that's not the case.

What if the Black Knight suffered fatal injuries from Mist slapping him across the face? Then what?

-_- Do you know what the word's "What if" mean?

Anyway it seems as if your not getting the point I'm trying to make, as in ignoring it. Please talk about this further once you are closer to completing Radiant Dawn.

-Knight

 

[ChronoBound]

Thanks for dodging my point. Mist never slapped Black Knight. That's "bullcrap". If Black Knight wasn't in the story, there would NO SPiCE! The next Ephraim!

Normally, I would be siding against the Micaiah-fanboys. However, please look to my analysis to see howe the Black Knight would play in Brawl:

Black Knight: I understand that I may get a lot of anger for putting him in this category, but please here me out. The Black Knight is one of the most popular Fire Emblem villains, and one of the few villains to be in two games (the only other ones I can think of are Garnef and Medeus from the Akaneia Fire Emblem games). The Black Knight would basically be a very heavy, very, powerful, and very slow fighter. However, Ike is already all three of these. If the Black Knight was any slower than Ike, BK would be worthless (Ike is very slow in moving and attacking), if were any heavier he wouldn’t be able to be KO’d until at 100% damage, and if he were any more powerful he would KO-ing opponents at sub-20% damage levels. Ike already took the Black Knight’s spot, and if there is a second character from Tellius that is going to get in as playable character, it will be Micaiah. However, I think the Black Knight is most likely going to show up as either a boss, an Assist Trophy, a trophy, or a sticker. Even if his fans starting cheering him on for boss status, he would still have to compete with Medeus, the Dragon of Darkness, who was the most re-occurring villain of the Fire Emblem series (he was in FE1, FE3, and going to be in FE11).

I am sorry if you feel upset about the Black Knight's prospects of getting in as a playable character, and I would wish that the other people posting in this topic would be a little nicer to you. However, it is not a wise idea to be sticking a pole in a bee's nest. If you are a supporter of Roy, Sigurd, or Eliwood please visit my Roy topic, I will try to be as welcoming as possible, and hopefully you will be helpful regular in it (I am planning on maybe turning my Roy support topic into a support topic for Eliwood and Sigurd as well).

 

[Kirby knight]

Normally, I would be siding against the Micaiah-fanboys. However, please look to my analysis to see howe the Black Knight would play in Brawl:

Black Knight: I understand that I may get a lot of anger for putting him in this category, but please here me out. The Black Knight is one of the most popular Fire Emblem villains, and one of the few villains to be in two games (the only other ones I can think of are Garnef and Medeus from the Akaneia Fire Emblem games). The Black Knight would basically be a very heavy, very, powerful, and very slow fighter. However, Ike is already all three of these. If the Black Knight was any slower than Ike, BK would be worthless (Ike is very slow in moving and attacking), if were any heavier he wouldn’t be able to be KO’d until at 100% damage, and if he were any more powerful he would KO-ing opponents at sub-20% damage levels. Ike already took the Black Knight’s spot, and if there is a second character from Tellius that is going to get in as playable character, it will be Micaiah. However, I think the Black Knight is most likely going to show up as either a boss, an Assist Trophy, a trophy, or a sticker. Even if his fans starting cheering him on for boss status, he would still have to compete with Medeus, the Dragon of Darkness, who was the most re-occurring villain of the Fire Emblem series (he was in FE1, FE3, and going to be in FE11).

I am sorry if you feel upset about the Black Knight's prospects of getting in as a playable character, and I would wish that the other people posting in this topic would be a little nicer to you. However, it is not a wise idea to be sticking a pole in a bee's nest. If you are a supporter of Roy, Sigurd, or Eliwood please visit my Roy topic, I will try to be as welcoming as possible, and hopefully you will be helpful regular in it (I am planning on maybe turning my Roy support topic into a support topic for Eliwood and Sigurd as well).

I thank you for posting your information regarding the Black Knight here, although I would have disregard your statement about "Micaiah fanboys". The reason why many people are not being "nice" as you would put it, is the fact that some Black Knight fan's disregarding all the information pertaining to him. As in he's not that important.

A Black Knight addition would be a disrespect if he got in and Roy, Eliwood or Sigurd did not. He's not a lord ( Main character in the game) so I think that holds alot against him, as well as not being the central villian/antagonist type character.

-Knight

 

[Biggie Smalls]

I SAID NO MOTHER****ING SPOILERS!

Ugh. **** Eliwood, Roy, and Sigurd. Sigurd's a ****ing Ike Alt. Black Knight is in the category of Ike. Point being? He can't be taken out for being similar. His moves are drastically different. He'd differ GREATLY, he actually has Projectile Moves for one.

Trust me, it's

Black Knight/Miciah
Marth/None
Ike

Everyone says Miciah because she's a lord. I find it hypocritical that they don't want Nephenee or Lucia, or Elincia.

 

[ChronoBound]

I thank you for posting your information regarding the Black Knight here, although I would have disregard your statement about "Micaiah fanboys". The reason why many people are not being "nice" as you would put it, is the fact that some Black Knight fan's disregarding all the information pertaining to him. As in he's not that important.

A Black Knight addition would be a disrespect if he got in and Roy, Eliwood or Sigurd did not. He's not a lord Main character in the game so I think that holds alot against him, as well as not being the central villian/antagonist type character.

-Knight
[/SIZE][/SIZE]

Um, no need to get uppity. However, personally I think the best villain in the series was Alvis from Geneology of the Holy War, he actually had a complex story behind him, character development, and was able to achieve his goals of the ideal nation for about 10 years. Plus, he is an awesome fire mage.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

I thank you for posting your information regarding the Black Knight here, although I would have disregard your statement about "Micaiah fanboys". The reason why many people are not being "nice" as you would put it, is the fact that some Black Knight fan's disregarding all the information pertaining to him. As in he's not that important.

A Black Knight addition would be a disrespect if he got in and Roy, Eliwood or Sigurd did not. He's not a lord ( Main character in the game) so I think that holds alot against him, as well as not being the central villian/antagonist type character.

-Knight

He's VERY imporant. All the characters you named have appeared in less games, and Sigurd is an Ike alternatate costume. All lords are main characters? Nephenee, Elincia, and Lucia for BRAWL!

 

[ChronoBound]

I SAID NO MOTHER****ING SPOILERS!

Ugh. **** Eliwood, Roy, and Sigurd. Sigurd's a ****ing Ike Alt. Black Knight is in the category of Ike. Point being? He can't be taken out for being similar. His moves are drastically different. He'd differ GREATLY, he actually has Projectile Moves for one.

Trust me, it's

Black Knight/Miciah
Marth/None
Ike

Everyone says Miciah because she's a lord. I find it hypocritical that they don't want Nephenee or Lucia, or Elincia.

Ouch, I try to symphathize with you, and you end up biting my hand. My last piece of advice to you is to leave this topic.

 

[Fawriel]

Black Knight is in the category of Ike. Point being? He can't be taken out for being similar. His moves are drastically different. He'd differ GREATLY, he actually has Projectile Moves for one.

The thing is, it's not like he'd be "taken out" for being similar. If they actually considered including Black Knight, Ike wouldn't be similar to him in the first place. They design the characters themselves after all.

 

[Kirby knight]

I SAID NO MOTHER****ING SPOILERS!

Ugh. **** Eliwood, Roy, and Sigurd. Sigurd's a ****ing Ike Alt. Black Knight is in the category of Ike. Point being? He can't be taken out for being similar. His moves are drastically different. He'd differ GREATLY, he actually has Projectile Moves for one.

Trust me, it's

Black Knight/Miciah
Marth/None
Ike

Everyone says Miciah because she's a lord. I find it hypocritical that they don't want Nephenee or Lucia, or Elincia.

Lol, Nephenee or Lucia, you are aware they are far from the main characters in the game? I guess your making a reference because they each had their own mini chapter as the leading official? Elincia would also hold the title of Lord, however she is not as important as Micaiah.

In fact once you do finish the game, you will hopefully come to understand that Micaiah is the most important character in Radiant Dawn...yes I said most important even more so than Ike to that storyline.

-Knight

 

[Numa Dude]

You guys realise that guy is a troll right? To be on topic, I have RD and have beaten it and I think Macaiah is a great character. Her magic would make a very nice moveset. Not sure she's very likely though. She may be too new for Sakurai to consider her as playable.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

The thing is, it's not like he'd be "taken out" for being similar. If they actually considered including Black Knight, Ike wouldn't be similar to him in the first place. They design the characters themselves after all.

Why would it matter if they had the same style? They'll definatly have drastically different moves. Black Knight has that Kirby Sword projectile move, his Eclipse sword style would be perfect for the B </> Smash like Roy and Marth in Melee. Basically, that arguement is disguising the clone arguement.