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Micaiah for Brawl *Radiant Dawn Spoilers*

Biggie Smalls

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Lol, Nephenee or Lucia, you are aware they are far from the main characters in the game? I guess your making a reference because they each had their own mini chapter as the leading official? Elincia would also hold the title of Lord, however she is not as important as Micaiah.

In fact once you do finish the game, you will hopefully come to understand that Micaiah is the most important character in Radiant Dawn...yes I said most important even more so than Ike to that storyline.

-Knight
I'll have to debate with you all once I finish, then. I'll probably finish around Friday since I'm a bit busy, I only get free time at like 8.
You guys realise that guy is a troll right? To be on topic, I have RD and have beaten it and I think Macaiah is a great character. Her magic would make a very nice moveset. Not sure she's very likely though. She may be too new for Sakurai to consider her as playable.
Are you trying to be a *******? I never insulted anyone, 'till you called me out just now.
 

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He's VERY imporant. All the characters you named have appeared in less games, and Sigurd is an Ike alternatate costume. All lords are main characters? Nephenee, Elincia, and Lucia for BRAWL!
Please I beg of you stop using "been in so in so many number of games" to bolster the little importance the Black Knight has. I mean Anna who provides the most valuable information, has been in every single Fire Emblem game to this date. Should she get a spot?

All the characters I mentioned are more important than the Black Knight. Nephy is not a lord, neither is Lucia. Elincia as I just said could be considered one however she doesn't have as great of importance when compared to others.

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You guys realise that guy is a troll right? To be on topic, I have RD and have beaten it and I think Macaiah is a great character. Her magic would make a very nice moveset. Not sure she's very likely though. She may be too new for Sakurai to consider her as playable.
I thought he was just a bit hardheaded, if that's the right term to use? I do agree with that; that Micaiah could be to new for Sakurai to consider.

Also have you tried Hard Mode? I've heard the difficulty is really unreal. I'm planning on trying it once I beat my 2nd time through.

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Are you trying to be a *******? I never insulted anyone, 'till you called me out just now.
Actually you called me an idiot. =P

Why would it matter if they had the same style? They'll definatly have drastically different moves. Black Knight has that Kirby Sword projectile move, his Eclipse sword style would be perfect for the B </> Smash like Roy and Marth in Melee. Basically, that arguement is disguising the clone arguement.
Point taken, but it would still be extremely counter-intuitive.
And I don't know about Sakurai, but I wouldn't stick two barely usable characters with similar characteristics into the game if I could help it. And help it, he can. With, say, Micaiah. :p

I'm out of this discussion now, I've said everything I have to say.
 

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As much as I agree that maciah would be a great character for brawl...we need an evil FE character...I would say blk knight/ zelgius, king ashnard, or sephiran...but there all FE 9-10 characters...I wouldnt mind one of them though.
 

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I thought he was just a bit hardheaded, if that's the right term to use? I do agree with that; that Micaiah could be to new for Sakurai to consider.

Also have you tried Hard Mode? I've heard the difficulty is really unreal. I'm planning on trying it once I beat my 2nd time through.

-Knight
I can barely beat normal mode. :( I doubt that I could even beat the first part of hard mode. I'll still try it but I'll probably fail hard. Just curious who do you guys think is the best non-main character in the game? IMO it's Haar by a longshot, but I've heard people say it's Jill even though whenever I try to use her she sucks.
 

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I can barely beat normal mode. :( I doubt that I could even beat the first part of hard mode. I'll still try it but I'll probably fail hard. Just curious who do you guys think is the best non-main character in the game? IMO it's Haar by a longshot, but I've heard people say it's Jill even though whenever I try to use her she sucks.
Haar is just way to good, I would have to agree with you.

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My best three right now are Haar, Mia, and Neph. Mist sadly lost half her value between games (granted I still can make her rock, but she can't magicsword kill things anymore...). Mia has not died once for me but has done more than her fair share of enemy routing (really, I walked her into a swarm of Paladins and she came out taking one hit the whole time and every unit attacking her had under 30% hitrate. She's that Epic on my game.

Haar last game started out okay, but too overleveled to be great. This time he starts out great and you got enough levels to make him a GOD. And like Mia he can walk into a crowd of enemies and come out with minimal injury and most of his opponents DYING. ^_^

I still cling to Mia's being on Sakurai's list as hope beyond all reason she might get in. I wish she had a bigger part in both games...
 

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Good chaos, everyone associated with Ridley is spamming tonight! It's nice to see that there's good sanity here.

So I'm wondering where I could go to get more detail on the stories in FE, so I can actually know what I'm talking about sometimes in reference to the characters? I know many will preach "Just play the **** game!" ...would work, except for two problems.

1. I'm poor,
2. I'm completely terrible at strategy RPGs.
 

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Slight spoilers below.

Mia as a TrueBlade wasn't able to kill Edward as a level 16 Swordmaster. She couldn't hit him and he was doing more damage, despite having the Path of Radiance bonuses. Even a maxed out Hero Ike was barely able to hit him. Edward, by far, is God. I'm sorry but he's amazing. D: Maybe the RNGs just favour him for me, but from my experience he is one of the best units in the game.

Edit - Whoops.
 

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Uhm I just though about it....and THe Black Knight Should be in the Game and have the heavy armor simply because its Canon to the story there fore Ike Should be Faster
 

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Slight spoilers below.

Mia as a Sword Saint wasn't able to kill Edward as a Swordmaster. She couldn't hit him and he was doing more damage, despite having the Path of Radiance bonuses. Even a maxed out Hero Ike was barely able to hit him. Edward, by far, is God. I'm sorry but he's amazing. D: Maybe the RNGs just favour him for me, but from my experience he is one of the best units in the game.
What did your Mia have in the way off Transfer bonuses? The standard set of Skill, Speed, and what else?
 

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What did your Mia have in the way off Transfer bonuses? The standard set of Skill, Speed, and what else?
You get +5 for every maxed out stat apparently. Mia in Path of Radiance was maxed out in almost everything.
 

Rakath

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You get +5 for every maxed out stat apparently. Mia in Path of Radiance was maxed out in almost everything.
Know that, I was asking for your personal ones (mine were HP, Strength, Skill, Speed, Def... is it cheating to finalize half her levels via BEXP and reset until I got 4+ bonuses and one of them in Strength?) Anyway, my Edward thus far has had fair RNGs, but he's had at least 4 duds (no viable or usable bonuses that level, like +1 Magic and Resist ONLY -_- ).

FWI, its +5 in HP, +2 in anything else, and only counts when they have EXP --.

So unfair, my Neph would of had great bonuses if it wasn't for the fact Endgame ran out of enemies when Neph was LV19 EXP 92, same with Largo (EXP 76) but with him this isn't as painful.
 

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Still though, any idea's for a B move set, as well as a final smash for her? Just asking out of curiousity, since she seems to be more of the healing type from what I've seen

who knows, maybe one of the B moves can be a slow self-healing move (and during a team battle, as this is used, if team mate is close enough then they get healed too)

just throwing stuff out
 

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Well, not done with RD just yet...

Final Smash ideas:

#1: She uses the blue flames she creates for an attack (based on what she uses to pump up Ike's sword slash in a cutscene later in the game than where I currently am).
#2: Some wicked healing move where she gets back a lot of health and some temporary anti-projectile field or something.
#3: Sothe shows up and does some wonderful dash n' slash moves.

B move ideas (Tempered by what seems to be the standards for FE cast):
Standard Special: Chargable energy wave, close range in front of her. A bit more range than Shield Breaker and Flare Blade, but not as much damage nor with the 10% and kill that Eruption and Flare Blade have.
Side Special: A much simpler and less damaging projectile attack. Flies forward in a spiral pattern (much like Light/Ellight's spiral, only forward).
Down Special: Magic Counter. Instead of a sword move and strike, the Crit Animation seal (the one Mage/Sage characters have) appears in front of her and if you touch it you get blasted.
Up Special: Micaiah spirals upward surrounded by magic, ending with a blaze of magic that looks like a rising sun. (I really had nothing better to put here).
 

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You forget, that MANY Antagonists have great chances. Ridley, Dark Samus, K. Rool, you're only using the confirmed characters right now to show villain count. There will be PLENTY.
Two of the three you posted - Dark Samus and K Rool - aren't at all likely. Ridley outshines Dark Samus in so many ways it isn't even funny, and it'd be pretty tough to argue or justify giving Metroid four characters unless Brawl is bigger than expected. K Rool is possible and (IMO) deserving, but not necessarily likely, since Donkey Kong's popularity has evaporated ever since Rare stopped making its games. Again, you're making an unwarranted assumption about villains, and even if it were a true one, attempting to apply it to Fire Emblem, where the main heroes are more numerous, important, and popular than the main villains, is foolish at best - especially considering you're trying to use it to argue a villain whose role is secondary at best.

Biggie Smalls said:
He's a "flunky"?
Yes. You do know what that means, right? Hes a mere servant for more important characters. He serves Ashnard in Path of Radiance, Micaiah early in Radiant Dawn, and the final villain of RD ultimately. And others, but explaining that would require major spoilers. Just keep playing RD - come the end of part 3/start of part 4, you'll start to get the picture.

Biggie Smalls said:
He saved Miciah's Life.
As I tried to say earlier but apparently you overlooked, thats an assumption. Micaiah is a tough character - she can take care of herself. Theres nothing saying she couldn't get herself out of that ambush without him.

Biggie Smalls said:
He's also the spice in PoR, the reason why Ike hated Daein and him. That spice, maks the story interesting.
First off, Ike didn't hate Daein - he actually intended to help its people if he could, but time was too pressing to allow it. Second, you're making my point for me here - BK is as you call it "spice." Hes a sub-plot. He enhances the story, but is not central to it. Hes a good character, but not an important one.

Biggie Smalls said:
Ike wouldn't form the Greil Mercenaries in RD, hell, he probably wouldn't even went to war and just stayed in Greil Mercenaries.
I'm beginning to doubt you played PoR, because this makes no sense. If the BK wasn't in the game, Greil would survive, and Ike and he would have continued to help Elincia through the Mad King's War. Nothing would change in this regard other than that Greil would remain with the mercenaries, and Shinon and Gatrie wouldn't leave them for a time.

Biggie Smalls said:
True, but still, you can't deny the fact that almost everyone wants Gannondorf with his sword because of the Twilight Princess Boss Fight.
I certainly can - people have been clambering for Ganon to get decloned with a sword almost since Melee's release, due to the victory pose which shows him with one. Besides, its not like TP was the only game where he used a sword - at the very least both Ocarina of Time (in Ganon form) and Wind Waker feature him using swords. What this has to do with Micaiah/the Black Knight though is beyond me.

Biggie Smalls said:
Oh, Lucia and Nephenee are lords! Lucia and Nephenee for Brawl!!
They most certainly are not. Being the leader of a level != being a Lord. Lords are the central characters of the game's story and are never allowed to die without a game over ensuing. This is not the case with either Lucia or Nephnee, who are minor characters to the story and lead exactly one level each in the entire game, and once those levels are over they become expendable. The only Lords of Path of Radiance are Ike, Micaiah, and Elincia.

Lunadis said:
Slight spoilers below.

Mia as a TrueBlade wasn't able to kill Edward as a level 16 Swordmaster. She couldn't hit him and he was doing more damage, despite having the Path of Radiance bonuses. Even a maxed out Hero Ike was barely able to hit him. Edward, by far, is God. I'm sorry but he's amazing. D: Maybe the RNGs just favour him for me, but from my experience he is one of the best units in the game.
I think the RNGs just gave you a poor Mia and Ike, to be honest. Edward was one amazing character for me too (save in the defense department, but some BEXP abuse fixed that up later), but I had no trouble with him when it came to that. Hes certainly a contender for best Swordsmaster of the game (I'm still not entirely sure hes better than Mia, though it does look that way with how much more easily he gains strength), but I can't see him being that much trouble for a decent Mia Trueblade or 20th level Ike (especially given the weapon Ike has by that point). I just wiped him away with one hit from Gatrie personally (and my God, does Gatrie ever rock as a Marshall - thats one character I never need to worry about dying on me).

Oh, and @ everyone else, any tips for chapter 4-1? I'm having some trouble with it.
I've got a team of Ike, Titania, Mia, Gatrie, Soren, and Nephnee all at 3rd-tier, Heather and Rhys at high levels of 2nd-tier, Nailah, and Raphiel for good characters. With the two other choices I've thus far been bringing Mist (level 3, almost untouched) and Volug (only gained 1 level the whole game, so he barely helps as aught but a meat shield), but I also have Oscar (never leveled), Astrid (only gained about 2 levels), and I believe Makalov (as Astrid) to choose from, although I'd need to purchase them new equipment. I do well early on, but then the teleporting enemies show up and manage to kill either Raphiel (usually) or Heather, and I don't want to lose either of them.
And just a general comment, anyone else find part 4 a lot more deadly than expected? I've been quite surprised - in addition to these troubles in 4-1, I lost Tanith in the prologue.

Zevox
 

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If Ike's in, doesn't that confirm Micaiah too??
Its rightly hard to use one character's confirmation to shoe in another... In fact its a lot easier to use deconfirms to get characters in. By that I mean if Sigurd was shown as an AT, Micaiah and Marth's chances becomee pretty much locked (Marth at 99% inclusion, Micaiah at somewhere around 80%).

Right now Micaiah is 'the most likely female rep for Fire Emblem'. Considering that Fire Emblem has a grand total of 6 female lords, of those 6 Celica is still in but FE2 isn't new and isn't the first, we lost Lyn, nobody loves 8, and the other two are also from FE9/10 with Micaiah. Where in 10 Micaiah is only second chair to Ike in importance.

Really, her getting in would be great, but pretty much any femme rep would work for me.

Ike's being in only adds to chances for Black Knight, Soren, Ranulf, Elincia, and Mist when it comes to direct interaction (Elincia is a stretch).
 

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Yes, but there are a ton of Lords in various FE games. A new one for almost every game, and several games have more than one. Thats why FE characters outside of Ike and Marth are so hard to predict - so many choices with more or less equal importance to the series.

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I don't see how Ike being in Brawl affects Micaiah's chances at all. D:
Oh, and @ everyone else, any tips for chapter 4-1? I'm having some trouble with it.
I had something similar to you only far less units.
My Ike team consists of (noteworthy units);
Ike/Soren
Mist
Titania/Oscar
Nailah
Rafiel
Heather (Stealing and vision)

I sent Ike south by himself, Nailah blocking the right and Oscar/Titania blocking the left. Soren also stood behind the sand bags and launched magical attacks. Mist stood in the center healing everyone as needed. Heather stood in the corner near Oscar/Titania to provide vision. Lastly, Rafiel mostly supported Mist and Soren as needed.

I actually didn't find Part IV difficult until Chapter 4. It's not so much the difficulty of the chapter, but you have the burden of having to save an underleveled Tormod, Vika and Maurim. Only Maurim is half capable of defending himself. :/
Right now I'm sick so I have the game saved until I feel better and can think straight.
 

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We have Ike; thats enough from the world of Tellius.

we don't need Brawl filled up with character from the same two games (Ike, Black Knight, Micaiah. all from FE9&10). and with Marth coming back, and Sigrud being very likely, I doubt Micaiah will get in. not that she should in the first place, just saying...

don't get me wrong. I think she would be a great character. very original, and fun to play as. she just doesn't deserve to be in; she doesn't have enough priority over other Lords, and is from a game that was only released a week or two ago (outside of Japan at least).
 

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Response to Lunadis:
Hm, sending Ike out solo might not be a bad idea (since he just promoted, he could use the levels), though I do worry about enemies sneaking in behind him to get at Rhys/Mist/Raphiel/Ena. I guess I can try to keep Titania or Nailah free to deal with any that make it in. And perhaps I could give Ike provoke just to help with that, though he'll need to lose Nihil to do so. Combined with shuffling around my east/west teams (they were pretty imbalanced I now realize: I had only Nephnee and Heather defending the west with Mist and Volug as near-useless support, and Gatrie, Mia, Soren, and Raphiel all going down the east path), that might just do it.

And yeah, I was wondering when Tormod and his friends would show up again. Sure takes them long enough. I was hoping to use Vika throughout most of the game, but it just didn't get set up that way... *sigh*

Zevox
 

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We have Ike; thats enough from the world of Tellius.

we don't need Brawl filled up with character from the same two games (Ike, Black Knight, Micaiah. all from FE9&10). and with Marth coming back, and Sigrud being very likely, I doubt Micaiah will get in. not that she should in the first place, just saying...

don't get me wrong. I think she would be a great character. very original, and fun to play as. she just doesn't deserve to be in; she doesn't have enough priority over other Lords, and is from a game that was only released a week or two ago (outside of Japan at least).
Now... while Sigurd is popular, a line-up of Ike, Marth and Sigurd would be kinda akin to:

Pokemon: Typhlosion, Blaziken, and Infernape
Mario: Mario, Dr. Mario, Luigi, Classic Wario
Donkey Kong: DK, Kiddy Kong, Chunky Kong
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Link, Windwaker Link, Twilight Princess Link
Metroid: Phazon Samus, Metal Samus, Fusion Samus

Now, I'm not saying these characters would be identicle in EVERY way, but they certainly would make you question how... active the ideas department of Hal Labs was when it came to character design and originality. Any lineup of FE cast that involves more than 2 Blue Haired Sword Weilding lords is ever-so-slightly (and by that I mean no possible way not to think it) lazy looking.
 

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micaiah would be great for brawl! i mean, shes the star of the newest fe game! it would be great to have some more magic related characters! plus, shes super fine!
 

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micaiah would be great for brawl! i mean, shes the star of the newest fe game! it would be great to have some more magic related characters! plus, shes super fine!
Yes!!! I agree with you 100% mostly that last sentence.
 

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I don't see what's so bad about having characters from the same world. Since we have Ike and Marth (likely) who have their own credibilities, I think at this point it's just up to Sakurai to pick who ever offers the most potential in Brawl.
Hm, sending Ike out solo might not be a bad idea (since he just promoted, he could use the levels), though I do worry about enemies sneaking in behind him to get at Rhys/Mist/Raphiel/Ena.
Well, I kept Ike close enough so he can see the sand bag, but far away enough from the camp fire to keep Mist and Rafiel safe. He had Provoke, but it was never needed because he was the only one within attack range. :p
And yeah, I was wondering when Tormod and his friends would show up again. Sure takes them long enough. I was hoping to use Vika throughout most of the game, but it just didn't get set up that way... *sigh*

Zevox
Heh. Same here. I really liked Vika the first time I got her. It was such a huge dissapointment to get her so late. At this point, I'm better off just using Naesala and Tibarn. :/
 

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Nawww...I mean Ike and Micaiah both stared in a game together, so it would make sense for Micaiah to appear if Ike is confirmed.
 

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Nawww...I mean Ike and Micaiah both stared in a game together, so it would make sense for Micaiah to appear if Ike is confirmed.
Ike actually had far more involvement with Elincia in Path of Radiance. Even in Radiant Dawn, he has more involvement with Soren, Titania, Ranulf, Skrimir and many others before he actually talks to Micaiah in person. That and it's asking for a lot. I mean, if Marth is in should we expect Sheeda as well?
Also keep in mind that Ike is a completely seperate force from Micaiah for nearly the entire game. It is only at the end that they fight side by side. Infact, they're on opposite sides for the most part, and then travelling on their own routes after that when they finally meet up to fight together. Sothe is more involved with Micaiah than Ike is.
 

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Ike actually had far more involvement with Elincia in Path of Radiance. Even in Radiant Dawn, he has more involvement with Soren, Titania, Ranulf, Skrimir and many others before he actually talks to Micaiah in person. That and it's asking for a lot. I mean, if Marth is in should we expect Sheeda as well?
Also keep in mind that Ike is a completely seperate force from Micaiah for nearly the entire game. It is only at the end that they fight side by side. Infact, they're on opposite sides for the most part, and then travelling on their own routes after that when they finally meet up to fight together. Sothe is more involved with Micaiah than Ike is.
However that spoiler text does allow for some interesting placements in subspace, since it gives us a demi-antagonist. >.>
 

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Okay...but I'm saying weren't they both the MAIN characters anyway?
Yes, they were, but as I said there are many main characters in Fire Emblem - far more than in any other major Nintendo series. One of them being in does not do anything for any other.

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I'm just saying that since its the LATEST game in the series, and they are the two mains in that game. They could debut in brawl together eventhough they don't converse with each other much.

Sakurai is trying to put the latest franchise games into brawl like Twilight princess, so yeah...
 
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