Data Mewtwo Hitboxes and Frame Data

[standardtoaster]

Images compiled and edited by standardtoaster.
"Hitbox System" format, method, and organization developed by Stratocaster.
All animated GIF's are at 1/3rd game speed.

Attack11 | Jab 1

Total: 29
Hit: 8
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Attack100 | Rapid Jab

Total: 51
Hit: 6, 13, 20, 27, 34, 41
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AttackS3S | Forward Tilt

Total: 31
Hit: 6-8
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AttackS3Hi | Up-Forward Tilt

Total: 31
Hit: 6-8
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AttackS3Lw | Down-Forward Tilt

Total: 31
Hit: 6-8
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AttackLw3 | Down Tilt

Total: 29
Hit: 5-7
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AttackHi3 | Up Tilt

Total: 31
Hit: 6-11
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AttackDash | Dash Attack

Total: 49
Hit: 10-29
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AttackS4 | Forward Smash

Total: 59
Hit: 18-19
Charge frame: 14
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AttackHi4 | Up Smash

Total: 79
Hit: 9-10, 13-14, 17-18, 21-22, 25-26, 29-30, 33-34
Charge frame: 2
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AttackLw4 | Down Smash

Total: 59
Hit: 20-21
Charge frame: 17
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AttackAirN | Neutral Air

Total: 54
Hit: 5-6, 9-10, 13-14, 17-18, 21-22, 25-26, 29-30, 33-34, 37-38
Auto-cancel: <5 37>
Landlag: 17
L-Cancelled: 9
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AttackAirF | Forward Air

Total: 39
Hit: 6-8
Auto-Cancel: <1 35>
Landlag: 25
L-Cancelled: 13
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AttackAirB | Back Air

Total: 31
Hit: 12-15
Auto-Cancel: <3 30>
Landlag: 28
L-Cancelled: 14
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AttackAirHi | Up Air

Total: 37
Hit: 9-11
Auto-Cancel: <4 33>
Landlag: 20
L-Cancelled: 10
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AttackAirLw | Down Air

Total: 57
Hit: 18-21
Auto-Cancel: <6 45>
Landlag: 28
L-Cancelled: 14
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Catch | Grab

Total: 31
Grab: 7-8
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CatchDash | Dash Grab

Total: 39
Grab: 8-9

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SpecialS | Confusion

Total: 55
Grab: 12-15
Reflect: 12-27
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SpecialLw | Disable

Total: 41
Hit: 15-21
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Shadow Ball

17 frames forced startup

100 frames to fully charge

8 frames shield cancelling
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Teleport

7 frames forced startup

10 frames travel

15 frames endlag

Can grab edge if travelling downward
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EscapeF | Forward Roll

Total: 37
Invincible: 4-22
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EscapeB | Backward Roll

Total: 37
Invincible: 4-20
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EscapeN | Spotdodge

Total: 37
Invincible: 2-21
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EscapeAir | Air Dodge

Total: 39
Invincible: 4-30
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CatchAttack | Pummel

Total: 27
Hit: 11
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ThrowF | Forward Throw

Total: 74
Hit: ??
Shadow Balls thrown: 4/5
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ThrowB | Back Throw

Total: 49
Throw: 28
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ThrowHi | Up Throw

Total: 69
Throw: 42
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ThrowLw | Down Throw

Total: 52
Throw: 14
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Miscellaneous


Jump startup: 5, airborne on frame 6

Air time: 60
Earliest FF: 30
FF air time: 44

SH Air time: 35
Earliest FF: 19
SH FF air time: 24

Landing lag: 4 frames

Dash becomes run at frame: 18

Run turnaround: 49

 

[Shadic]

Mewtwo for top tier. Look at that tiny hand hitbox and that beefy body hitbox.

 

[standardtoaster]

Sticky? :/

 

[Taj278]

I would, but I'm not a mod anymore.

 

[standardtoaster]

D: I had no idea. :<

 

[Rykard]

how come data for the shadow ball or teleport isn't there? i assume they just forgot since it is a bunch of stuff to put up

 

[standardtoaster]

I was actually going to put stuff on that up, but I didn't really have the time to see how long certain moves such as shadow ball and teleport work out. I'll get that stuff up there relatively soon.

 

[X1-12]

Good job Standard Toaster


Shame M2's hitboxes all suck though

 

[Hydro_Smasher]

Mewtwo's down smash is L- cancel - able

 

[MonkUnit]

that doesn't make any sense

 

[standardtoaster]

Mewtwo's down smash is L- cancel - able

what the **** are you on

 

[standardtoaster]

Okay, updated it with frame data on shadow ball and teleport.

 

[standardtoaster]

Updated with pummel and throws on request of KAOSTAR.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

This is extremely useful thanks a bunch ordinary toaster lol.

 

[Teczer0]

Mewtwo's attack animations are really cool to look at xD.

*sticks*

 

[SDC]

EDIT will ask in "ask Taj" thread

 

[onionchowder]

Wow, I used to think Mewtwo's Dair used his tail... didn't realize it's actually his feet.

No wonder I always mis-spaced it.

 

[FooltheFlames]

Wow this is really helpful for anyone who doesnt have access to AR. You gotta love that disjointed hitbox at the end of his tail! I always hated how his down & fsmash hitboxes only lasted 2 frames, there good kill moves but 95% of the moves is lag! Mastery of Mewtwo is Mastery fo Melee I believe thats why I play him, hes the hardest character to get good with.

 

[DrinkingFood]

Would it be reasonable to request that that images be spoilered in sections such as tilts, smashes, aerials, specials, and others, toaster/other mods/admins? I use this thread a lot but my comp is lame and the .gifs end up screwing up, slowing way down, or skipping frames or other nonsense.

 

[DJLO]

hey guys, could we update this and add the IASA frames? found here: http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/Mewtwo_frames_11.6.05.txt

 

[Wobbly Headed Bob]

Mewtwo's down smash is L- cancel - able

hey guys, could we update this and add the IASA frames? found here: http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/Mewtwo_frames_11.6.05.txt

Seems like Hydro_Smasher was trying to refer to the awesome IASA frame for dsmash.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Im so sorry.

 

[.K1]

Is there any particular reason Mewtwo doesnt have as much frame data listed as most other characters? Notably how + or - attacks are on shield.......those values are pretty important lol.

 

[.K1]

Okay so I decided to figure out Mewtwo's frame advantage when attacking a shielded opponent. Unfortunately not even the IASA's are listed, so I couldnt do the grounded moves (the IASA affects it a lot). All of Mewtwo's aerials are listed though, so you can kinda get an idea of how safe you are when using X aerial. Also, the value calculated for N-Air is the LAST hit, which supposedly comes out regardless of how far into the moves animation you are.....meaning if you do a full jump nair, it will come out as normal but if you do a DJC or SH Nair, it will come out as soon as you hit the floor. Anyways, yeah. Once the IASA's are up, I will do his grounded moves. Sorry I couldnt do more, but the IASA's are pretty important when doing this.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AokIpuS
SI2bidF9NZUczUXEtaUJNY09MQ0dTZmxra0E&usp=sharing

Edit: Sorry but Im forced to break up the URL into two sections. The original link contains " p u s s" all together and the forum is censoring it as foul language. Just copy both sections into your URL and itll work. Sorry about that =(

 

[Deleted member 212841]

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[.K1]

Ah okay sweet. Ill have the data for his grounded attacks done within 30 min! Thanks for the link!

 

[.K1]

The spreadsheet has been updated! It contains ALL of Mewtwos "normal" attacks except Jab and D-Tilt (no IASA values are listed for either unfortunately)

Again, sorry that I have to break up the link, but maybe we can get a mod to fix it or something. Anyways, here you go!


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AokIpuS
SI2bidF9NZUczUXEtaUJNY09MQ0dTZmxra0E&usp=sharing

Edit: If you didnt read my previous post, I have to break up the link because it contains the letter "p u s s" all in a row and is being censored by the forum. Just copy and paste the link into the URL. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Fish&Herbs19]

On the google doc, you listed fair's l-cancelled lag as 9 frames, when the guide above says it is 13. Also this makes me really sad, seeing that all of Fox's aerials have 14-16 frames of shield stun while our highest aerial only has 8 frames.

 

[.K1]

Oops, ill fix it in the morning. I'm on my phone atm and not home. Thank you for pointing it out though!

 

[.K1]

Frame data has been updated! Thanks again for pointing out the error.

 

[Deleted member 212841]

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[Sashimi]

@Melee Mewtwo

It's 26 not L-cancelled and 13 L-cancelled. Just tested in 1.02 on Dolphin and would assume it's the same in other versions.

 

[LLLLegion]

Thanks really helped

 

[Deleted member 212841]

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[Sashimi]

@Melee Mewtwo

The hitbox is out on the first frame of landing lag, regardless of whether or not it's L-cancelled.

 

[Deleted member 212841]

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[Sashimi]

According to Master Hand the three are identical aside from damage. They share the following:

Active from frames 9-11
Angle: 55°
Base knockback: 0
Knockback growth: 100

The base of the tail does 10%, the middle does 12%, and the tip does 14%. If more than one hitbox hits the opponent, the priority is in order of base>middle>tip, so the tipper must be spaced well in order to be used.

 

[Deleted member 212841]

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[Sashimi]

Yeah, I've also noticed some wrong things in Master Hand, so I agree with you on that. DI only affects trajectory by a max of 18°, but fall speed might be enough to make up for the difference. I've seen a similar thing happen with Yoshi's Ftilt, which has a 60° hitbox but sometimes makes Fox go almost straight horizontal.

Good luck!

 

[Thor]

Is there any reason Mewtwo's L-cancelled nair and fair have half their landing lag rounded up, and not down? I'm reading 17/9 for nair and 25/13 for fair, but L-cancelling is usually rounded down (ex: Peach frame data is 15/7 for not-fair and 25/12 for fair).