Mewtwo: Back or stuck in SSBM?

[mastr0fmyd0main3]

they should scrap the old mewtwo and start over. make him heavy, no weird 2nd jump, maybe less floaty, better/stronger moves etc.

 

[the_air_up_there7]

All the pokemon that came out should just make it back in brawl, yes even pichu, as well as mew2.

 

[Earthbenderjump5]

yes mew2 should return ... i thought he was good, but could use a little adjustmenets, although he is still awsome even he gets booted out, which he will not oh geez they have too many fakes like this one http://img.sheezyart.com/art/medium/91/912310.jpg

 

[Nintendo Advocate]

mewtwo is alright; he isn't the worst, pichu is. Comparing the two, i would rather have mewtwo on brawl instead of pichu.

 

[roy_owns]

No Deoxys is gona replace him

 

[Micahc]

No Deoxys is gona replace him

Heresy! There is nothing that can replace Mewtwo. Who else is going to laugh maniacally while spinning his tail in the air? Does Ganon have a tail? Mewtwo just needs stat buffs, every thing else I want to say has been said before. Such as how he should be heavy. He weighs 250+ lbs. yet he gets ko'ed at like, 70%? Maybe more speed, but there's not much else that he 'needs' to be a mid tier character.

 

[roy_owns]

Heresy! There is nothing that can replace Mewtwo. Who else is going to laugh maniacally while spinning his tail in the air? Does Ganon have a tail? Mewtwo just needs stat buffs, every thing else I want to say has been said before. Such as how he should be heavy. He weighs 250+ lbs. yet he gets ko'ed at like, 70%? Maybe more speed, but there's not much else that he 'needs' to be a mid tier character.

Hey! Im not aganst Mewtwo in Brawl but Deoxys is more new

exp: they were gona use a Kanto Pokemon instead of Pichu but they needed to promote the new Johto Pokemon.

 

[Micahc]

Hey! Im not aganst Mewtwo in Brawl but Deoxys is more new

exp: they were gona use a Kanto Pokemon instead of Pichu but they needed to promote the new Johto Pokemon.

So? Boot Pichu out, throw in Lucario and promote the 4th gen, the third gen will only be remembered by people filling their pokedexes and using them in competitive gaming. It NEEDS no more publicity.

 

[Icetrash]

My only fear is that he might replaced with Lucario.

If anyone Lucario is going to replace Pichu not Mewtwo.

 

[The Director]

Heresy! There is nothing that can replace Mewtwo. Who else is going to laugh maniacally while spinning his tail in the air? Does Ganon have a tail? Mewtwo just needs stat buffs, every thing else I want to say has been said before. Such as how he should be heavy. He weighs 250+ lbs. yet he gets ko'ed at like, 70%? Maybe more speed, but there's not much else that he 'needs' to be a mid tier character.

Yes! Mewtwo needs to stay!

Mewtwo is another one of the more widely recognized Pokemon, so I don't think he'll be taken out of Brawl. They just need to tweak his character a little bit, that's all. In terms of movement and all that such, they got it right in Melee.

I think they'll make him more accessible in Brawl.

 

[Icy_Eagle]

Something I posted in another thread

I don't get it why they made mewtwo so light, he's 269 pounds (about 121 kilos). I mean, he floats with his psychic powers, not because he's full of air so that's no reason

Also confusion need to be fixed I think, make it reflect and push the opponent little backwards. Most of his moves are already fine though

 

[mrvblonde]

My opinion on how Mewtwo should be enhanced:

-Metwo should be a little more heavier.

-Mewtwo's Disable attack should have a little bit more range.

-Mewtwo's Confusion should not only deflect projectiles but reflect in the matter that they inflict damage and knockback to the opponet as if it were to hit Mewtwo, and as a small addition the damage should be increased by a fixed amount, say...5% maybe.

-Mewtwo's speed should be slightly increased.

-Mewtwo's grab range should be replaced with Marth's grab range.

-Mewtwo's shadow ball should have a tiny bit more range.

-Mewtwo's attacks that are psychic(not counting the physical ones)(example: down smash) should have a little more knockback and range.

-Mewtwo's dair should be strenghtened. Actually all of Mewtwo's aerials, except maybe the fair.

-This one is for fun...Mewtwo should have some fun unique ability like having his airdodge invincibility frames increased...say his air dodge should be 30% longer than everyone else's.

-This is another fun option for Mewtwo, when using Mewtwo's disable attack and then using disable again while they are stunned already, Mewtwo will restore 10% and send his opponet as the same knockback as how it is in melee.


Well that's my two cents.

 

[The Director]

I just let my imagination run away with this and I got a realization of how awesome Mewtwo is going to be in Brawl.

I'd be shocked if they took him out.

 

[Icy_Eagle]

My opinion on how Mewtwo should be enhanced:

-Metwo should be a little more heavier.

-Mewtwo's Disable attack should have a little bit more range.

-Mewtwo's Confusion should not only deflect projectiles but reflect in the matter that they inflict damage and knockback to the opponet as if it were to hit Mewtwo, and as a small addition the damage should be increased by a fixed amount, say...5% maybe.

-Mewtwo's speed should be slightly increased.

-Mewtwo's grab range should be replaced with Marth's grab range.

-Mewtwo's shadow ball should have a tiny bit more range.

-Mewtwo's attacks that are psychic(not counting the physical ones)(example: down smash) should have a little more knockback and range.

-Mewtwo's dair should be strenghtened. Actually all of Mewtwo's aerials, except maybe the fair.

-This one is for fun...Mewtwo should have some fun unique ability like having his airdodge invincibility frames increased...say his air dodge should be 30% longer than everyone else's.

-This is another fun option for Mewtwo, when using Mewtwo's disable attack and then using disable again while they are stunned already, Mewtwo will restore 10% and send his opponet as the same knockback as how it is in melee.


Well that's my two cents.

I think his aerials (except dair) are fine already, although it wouldn't hurt to buff them a little I don't tihnk the restoring thing with disable would be good, it doesn't really make sense, kind of makes the move unbalanced and people would probly try to spam it too much. I just think it needs less startup-lag
otherwise, I pretty much agree wtih you, Mewtwo FTV

 

[Inevitable]

My opinion on how Mewtwo should be enhanced:

-Metwo should be a little more heavier.

-Mewtwo's Disable attack should have a little bit more range.

-Mewtwo's Confusion should not only deflect projectiles but reflect in the matter that they inflict damage and knockback to the opponet as if it were to hit Mewtwo, and as a small addition the damage should be increased by a fixed amount, say...5% maybe.

-Mewtwo's speed should be slightly increased.

-Mewtwo's grab range should be replaced with Marth's grab range.

-Mewtwo's shadow ball should have a tiny bit more range.

-Mewtwo's attacks that are psychic(not counting the physical ones)(example: down smash) should have a little more knockback and range.

-Mewtwo's dair should be strenghtened. Actually all of Mewtwo's aerials, except maybe the fair.

-This one is for fun...Mewtwo should have some fun unique ability like having his airdodge invincibility frames increased...say his air dodge should be 30% longer than everyone else's.

-This is another fun option for Mewtwo, when using Mewtwo's disable attack and then using disable again while they are stunned already, Mewtwo will restore 10% and send his opponet as the same knockback as how it is in melee.


Well that's my two cents.

I like most of the ideas, those will surely move Mewtwo up from bottom tier.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Mewtwo should definetly come back because not only he unique but is one of the most recognizable and powerful pokemon out there, what I would suggest is that they add more weight on him and also a slighly better moveset

 

[smasher_25]

Mewtow should come back as long as he doesn't take the spot of another good character.. I would rather have deoxys or someone cool like that than mewtwo, even though he isn't really as terrible as a lot of people say.

 

[Blazer]

Mewtwo should come back as well as one Johto pokemon premiering. Why? Because after G/S/C Pokemon lost a lot of fans. It just wasn't as cool anymore. The first games will always be the ones people will love the most and that's just how it is. Don't get rid of Mewtwo because then the pokemon will have pretty much noone from the first series. (Pikachu and jiggs are continual.) Besides M2 was very well liked he just wasn't all that great. He needs huge updates to his moveset and then he'll be just fine.

 

[Micahc]

Why does he need an update to his move set? His move set is controversial, but that's what makes him interesting to play. Two different Mewtwo's can each spam either disable or confusion, and still be ungodly when they play him. Personally I like Confusion because it can work past Maths range and go through shields, but just as many people hate it. Confusion could be taken out, but it was just such a fun move to use to screw with your opponent I would miss it.

 

[Saimdusan]

Mewtwo definately should come back. He is probably one of the most well known Pokemon (along with the Charmander, Jigglypuff, Meowth, Charizard group) and was the best Pokemon in the game, atleast in R/B/Y. Maybe G/S/C or R/S/E have a better Pokemon, but even then Mewtwo is still pretty powerful.

Deoxys replace Mewtwo? Are you serious? He wouldn't have any simmiliar moves. I heard his signature move is Extremespeed but I'm not sure about that.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

Deoxys' signature move is Psycho Boost. Still, I'd rather see him in a Pokeball than as playable. Mewtwo should stay playable. He probably will be tweaked a bit if he returns, but I would still play as him.

 

[Blazer]

Why does he need an update to his move set? His move set is controversial, but that's what makes him interesting to play. Two different Mewtwo's can each spam either disable or confusion, and still be ungodly when they play him. Personally I like Confusion because it can work past Maths range and go through shields, but just as many people hate it. Confusion could be taken out, but it was just such a fun move to use to screw with your opponent I would miss it.

He was low or bttom tier because his moveset had no moves that covered both sides of him for one thing. Another is that confusion needs more air time on the opponent and disable nees a larger effect.

 

[CStrife187]

replacing mewtwo with any pokemon after 2nd gen is ridiculous. It would just be a bad move publicity-wise. the pokemon games went way downhill after the 2nd gen anyway

 

[Saimdusan]

I agree with you. First gen needs the most representation. All if the other gens need it too, of course, but the first gen is the best, most well known, and over all the most important.

 

[GreenMamba]

replacing mewtwo with any pokemon after 2nd gen is ridiculous. It would just be a bad move publicity-wise. the pokemon games went way downhill after the 2nd gen anyway

Clearly, it's not like Pokemon Diamond and Pearl sold a million copies in less than a week.

Pokemon is still going strong, and most fans agree that the games only get better. The representation should be spread along more than just the first generation.

 

[Icy_Eagle]

He was low or bttom tier because his moveset had no moves that covered both sides of him for one thing. Another is that confusion needs more air time on the opponent and disable nees a larger effect.

Moves that covers both sides isn't much of an issue, unless you've got more than 1 opponent but still. I'm assuming that you'd want more air time for recovery purposes but his recovery is already good enough.

@gGreenMamba I think he's talking about the design of the pokémon, some of them are pretty hideous.

 

[TheManaLord]

He'll likely be removed and replaced with a more popular new age Pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope Meowth replaces him.

 

[Cenedar]

I'll admit, Mewtwo does have a couple issues with his moveset and could probably be heavier, but apart from that I loved playing as Mewtwo. He's certianly better than some other Pokemon in my opinion (cough, cough, JIGGLYPUFF, cough). I want him to get an updated moveset and a little more weight and that will be fine with me. Mew2 FTW!

I hope Meowth replaces him.

I can understand wanting Meowth in, but in all honesty, despite how many people seem to hate Mewtwo in Melee, there will be blood spilt if Mewtwo is replaced by Meowth. I don't care how popular Meowth is in the anime or any of that. I personally would rather keep Meowth in a pokeball and used as an item.

 

[Deleted member]

'Puff out? Crazy talk!

I don't think Mewtwo has much potential if he stays as he was in 'Melee. Most of his moves were useless, and he was as floaty as Kirby. Meowth would actually be more fitting to replace Pichu as a smaller Pokemon but without the self-damage/crappiness. It certainly does seem as if Mewtwo will be out in 'Brawl anyway, as there are many more deservant Pokemon. I hate the Pokemon "movies", but if they're anything to go by then Lucario'll be in. -Vomits.-

 

[GenG]

He's certianly better than some other Pokemon in my opinion (cough, cough, JIGGLYPUFF, cough).

Jigglypuff is one of the best characters in the game. Undoubtly the best Pokémon of all 4.

 

[Deleted member]

Jigglypuff is one of the best characters in the game. Undoubtly the best Pokémon of all 4.

Exactly. Not only that, Jigglypuff has been in there since the beginning.

 

[Tiamat]

Jigglypuff is casual gamer free-for-all hilarity. You're either slaughtering everyone with Rest or you're being slaughtered by everyone (including yourself!) BECAUSE of Rest. Good times.

At any rate, I'd be surprised if they got rid of the Puff now. Maybe she could have been gotten rid of for Melee (did they consider doing that? I forget) but she's pretty established by now. And I can't think of many other Pokemon, 1st gen or 500th gen, that would have the same look and feel as the puffster.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

I think they did consider taking the puff out, but due to it's huge popularity it stayed in. Chances are Jiggs will stay for they same reason this time round. Never cared for it much personally, but there's no denying it has a huge fanbase (at least in competitive smash, I'm not sure how popular it is against other pokemon at the moment)

As for Mewtwo, he was the most requested pokemon for melee, and actually has some significance in the actually franchise as the most powerful pokemon (I know that Arceus is now competing for that title, but he seems to be more of the 'God' of all pokemon as opposed to Mewtwo's artificial creation). I personally think people sell him too short because of his performance in melee, but all he needs really is a bit of improvement (more weight and speed would be nice really). That and his B> could probably be changed to something more practical.

And whoever said Meowth should replace Mewtwo, No! Not only is it thankfully unlikely to happen, but it really shouldn't happen. Really the only pokemon I'd accept replacing Mewtwo would be Deoxys, but even then I'd rather have Mewtwo back.

 

[Charzendat]

Mewtwo isn't really a super strong Pokemon. Obviously he was back in the day but 4 more generations kinda weakens him a bit.

The one thing I hate about Mewtwo in Melee (well there are lots of things but this is the main one) is that he is so very floaty. I mean the kickback you get from his Shadow Ball is just unreal.

The problem with Mewtwo is he's a psychic pokemon so he uses psychic like attacks. So no punching or kicking or headbuts. I think Blaizken would be a far better replacement for Mewtwo since he has both fighting and fire type attacks. But I don't really want to see anyone leave for SSBB (except Y.Link for Cel Link).

 

[Deleted member]

The floatiness would've been acceptable if he had 'Puff's recoverability. But he doesn't... And his ^B move is a joke. He has massive knockback too, so half the time you'll be falling.

But Blaziken... Meh. I don't want any starters.

 

[Thino]

He would better back with better moves

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Actually, even though there have been other powerful pokemon who've joined the series over the generations, Mewtwo is still one of the best. He's still got one of the highest Sp Atk stats in the game and has amazing speed, and is still banned from competitive play because of it.

And I don't see how being psychic hurts Mewtwo at all. It actually makes him stand out against the rest of the characters (except for Ness maybe), which I would've thought was a good thing. Though they may not have implemented it as well as they could have.

 

[Saimdusan]

Clearly, it's not like Pokemon Diamond and Pearl sold a million copies in less than a week.

Pokemon is still going strong, and most fans agree that the games only get better. The representation should be spread along more than just the first generation.

I know Pokemon is still popular, I just think the first gen deserves the most representation.

1. 1st gen (I'd like Charizard to be added, but Meowth seems more likely)
2. 4th gen (Lucario and Pachirisu or Munchlax)
3. 3rd gen (Deoxys and/or Minun and Plusle)
4. 2nd gen (Lugia or Togepi or Celebi)

That's the order I think the gens need representation in. 2nd gen is actually my second favorite, but it's currently the least important.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I don't really see Lugia as a playable character. One reason is he's too big. Other reason is he can fly as long as he wants. That would make him nearly impossible to kill if he were playable in Smash.

Mewtwo should be returning. He is still one of the most used in the Uber competitive plays even though Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus all have more total base stats. Those three probably wouldn't become playable anyways. Those three are Pokégods and they create time, space, and other stuff while Mewtwo is an artificially created fighting machine. It would make more sense to have Mewtwo playable over them.

Only other legendaries I can see becoming playable are Deoxys and Darkrai, though I'd rather see Deoxys as a Pokeball Pokemon.

They just need to alter Mewtwo for SSBB so that people could play better with him. He shouldn't be so light in the first place.