Mewtwo: Back or stuck in SSBM?

[Charzendat]

Deoxys could be really good. I mean it would be awesome if one of his moves allowed him to change between forms and alter his stats and perhaps one of his attacks (not all cause then he would have 13 B moves to choose from). Normal form all rounder, speed would be fast but light, attack would be strong but takes alot of knock-back and defence would be heavy but slow.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, then that would mean Deoxys would only have one move that doesn't change (one B for transform and another for each form). I can't see him getting in, really... Developing four different models for one character is too much work.

 

[Cenedar]

I agree with MEWTWOMASTER2002, I think Deoxys should stay in a pokeball, if he's in the game at all. And Mewtwo is a little too light in Melee IMO. Even if his moves don't change (although I hope some of them do) as long as he comes back a little heavier I'll be a-okay.

 

[Charzendat]

Actually he would have 2 moves that don't change (1 to transform, 1 that changes which leaves 2 that don't). But it was just a thought, I don't care for Deoxys much anyway.

 

[i8waffles612]

Yes he should, although not many people played with him, but he was a great addition the roster in SSBM!

And IMO he is the best Pokemon in SSBM

 

[dynamic_entry]

/revive

MEWTWO FOR BRAWL!

 

[Dark Shard]

I think Deoxys should be in Brawl, but I think rather than a special transform move, I think that he should breifly transform when using a corresponding move. Example: When Deoxes starts to dash, h resembles his speed form. When he sits there, he is normal. When you hit sheild (or maybe a b move, like protect or counter) he goes defence. when you use standard a attacks, I don't know wether or not he should go to attack, but what if when you initiate a smash attack, he clearly goes to attack mode, then unleashes a powerful charged smash attack!

I still would like to see Mewtwo though.

 

[dynamic_entry]

I think Deoxys should be in Brawl, but I think rather than a special transform move, I think that he should breifly transform when using a corresponding move. Example: When Deoxes starts to dash, h resembles his speed form. When he sits there, he is normal. When you hit sheild (or maybe a b move, like protect or counter) he goes defence. when you use standard a attacks, I don't know wether or not he should go to attack, but what if when you initiate a smash attack, he clearly goes to attack mode, then unleashes a powerful charged smash attack!

thats how i've always felt deoxys should be implemented. 4 forms that need to be transformed into is kinda lame.

I still would like to see Mewtwo though.

i also agree with this.

 

[Kalypso]

Mewtwo returning in SSBB is more important to me than every other SSBM character who is at this point unconfirmed, combined. He has so much more potential and cool factor than everyone else, he just got jipped in Melee. He more than deserves a good slot.

 

[the grim lizard]

Mewtwo returning in SSBB is more important to me than every other SSBM character who is at this point unconfirmed, combined. He has so much more potential and cool factor than everyone else, he just got jipped in Melee. He more than deserves a good slot.

Sorry, but Falcon has the cool factor already taken. But, I do agree that he should return.

Honestly, as I said...he was just one of those more difficult characters to learn. I think most people just couldn't get used to his oddness (sort of like Ness). There are just too many people who didn't want to dedicate time and just picked up some broken character like Fox/Sheik/Marth/Peach.

 

[Kalypso]

Sorry, but Falcon has the cool factor already taken. But, I do agree that he should return.

Honestly, as I said...he was just one of those more difficult characters to learn. I think most people just couldn't get used to his oddness (sort of like Ness). There are just too many people who didn't want to dedicate time and just picked up some broken character like Fox/Sheik/Marth/Peach.

Falcon is mostly cool because of his taunt, although it would suck if he was cut.

 

[Super Smash Master]

I think the reason Mewtwo wasn't that good was, because he was one of the last characters they put in the game and they were being rushed. Now that they have as much time as they want, he can be given a better moveset.

 

[Kalypso]

I think the reason Mewtwo wasn't that good was, because he was one of the last characters they put in the game and they were being rushed. Now that they have as much time as they want, he can be given a better moveset.

Most of his moves are not only fine, but creative. They're just too weak, you guys don't get it.

His moveset was FINE.

 

[Private Zulen]

Most of his moves are not only fine, but creative. They're just too weak, you guys don't get it.

His moveset was FINE.

You're wasting your breath, Kalypso.

Mewtwo sucked. He was slow. He was weak. He was predictable. His controls are iffy. And everything that's not weak is utterly useless.

The only person who got good with him was Taj, and simply because he was willing to devote nearly every second of every minute of every day practicing and training with him. Furthermore, Taj is just an awesome player.

The only good thing about Mewtwo was his down-B. Everything else, even his charged up B, was weak as hell.

 

[MarsBitrona]

I can think of no reason that he would possibly be cut from the roster. He is a Pokemon with (debatably) more importance than, say, Jigglypuff, and he had a thrillingly original moveset. It doesn't matter how "low-tier" he was. In fact, I can only imagine that how easy to play a character is in a different game as seen by almost 1% of players is the very last thing Nintendo is considering when looking at the character lineup for SSBB. At least, I certainly hope so.

 

[dynamic_entry]

You're wasting your breath, Kalypso.

Mewtwo sucked. He was slow. He was weak. He was predictable. His controls are iffy. And everything that's not weak is utterly useless.

The only person who got good with him was Taj, and simply because he was willing to devote nearly every second of every minute of every day practicing and training with him. Furthermore, Taj is just an awesome player.

The only good thing about Mewtwo was his down-B. Everything else, even his charged up B, was weak as hell.

mewtwo was a flawed character, no one would argue that. but your argument is bogus and you dont know what you are talking about.

concerning your final statement, his down b was a terribly situational move that yeilded little result for the risk of it. conversely, his neutral b was a good move, capable of getting the enemy off the stage at around 80% damage. you probably didnt like it because it was slow, am i right? that just means you need to be a little smarter when using it.

also, mewtwo has one of the best recoveries in the game aswell as the best WD in the game. im not trying to argue that hes a great character, but your proposal of, only some who devotes, "every second of every minute of every day practicing and training with him" is ********, and shows your lack of understanding of how to use the character.

 

[Fawriel]

Go dynamic! <3

Mewtwo's moveset was awesome. The guy could so easily be fixed if he was made heavy-weight, which he should logically be ( I think he weighs about 200lbs according to Pokedex information ) and had some minor tweakage in damage and knockback here and there.
His moves rock.

His tilts are almost as awesome as Sheik's and have great range.
He has a strong Smash, a fast one with combo-ability and one with good range.
He has awesome reach in the air with his u-air and b-air, his n-air is awesome for building up damage...

Give him weight, priority and a little more speed in place ( the lag in his Shadow Ball is ridiculous ). Done.

 

[Aki-toriko]

Mewtwo is still my favourite Pokemon after ten years, so I'd love to see him in Brawl again. He also is technically the only 'evil' Pokemon so in this respect he should probably stay. Trouble is, there are nearly 500 alternatives for him now, and given the success of Diamond/Pearl he could very easily be axed for one of the new legendaries.
If he stays, and I hope he does, perhaps some tweaks to his moveset and stats would be best, make him a bit more accessible so people fall in love with him again.

 

[the grim lizard]

blah blah blah...

I just want to say that Marth was one of the most boring characters to play with. Mewtwo (although not exceptionally strong) was very fun and interesting and I often turned to him if I just needed a random character to play with.

 

[kaid]

Go dynamic! <3

Mewtwo's moveset was awesome. The guy could so easily be fixed if he was made heavy-weight, which he should logically be ( I think he weighs about 200lbs according to Pokedex information ) and had some minor tweakage in damage and knockback here and there.
His moves rock.

290-odd pounds, I believe.

And yes, Mewtwo has awesome moves. I played Zelgatis's Marth with my mewtwo, and took off 2 stock. Same with his shiek. (His fox pwned me, but I still did 100% to him over 4 stock)

 

[Micahc]

Just to get it out of the way, Mewtwo is 269.0 lbs. and 6'07". In case anyone cares

 

[dynamic_entry]

sighs

cant you people use the metric system? whatevs, i can convert. thats pretty heavy.

 

[Micahc]

sighs

cant you people use the metric system? whatevs, i can convert. thats pretty heavy.

Sorry, I was playing Diamond adn they have it in standard . Will someone please give me a good reason to take Mewtwo out? Who cares if he has no relevance any more, neither does pit, Game and Watch or the Ice Climbers. There are no Pokemon that could replace him, and he only comes next to Capton Falcon's brass nipples for coolishishness. Why do you want him bloody out?

 

[Ekul]

My bro mained mewtwo, so I guess he should stay in my opinion

For any person who's ever played the first game first, he IS the legendary pokemon. Many people hear "legendary pokemon" and think "Mewtwo" or "mew" instantly

 

[dynamic_entry]

Sorry, I was playing Diamond adn they have it in standard . Will someone please give me a good reason to take Mewtwo out? Who cares if he has no relevance any more, neither does pit, Game and Watch or the Ice Climbers. There are no Pokemon that could replace him, and he only comes next to Capton Falcon's brass nipples for coolishishness. Why do you want him bloody out?

ZOMG!

cant wait for diamond/pearl to come out in the land of plenty! they reach our shores in like, a week or something.......*drooly drooly*

and..... uh.....mewtwo 4 brawl!

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Mewtwo's influence has waned. I think it's time for it to be replaced.
Not just because it's lousy, but also because it's no longer a marketing symbol for the Pokemon franchise.

 

[Micahc]

Mewtwo's influence has waned. I think it's time for it to be replaced.
Not just because it's lousy, but also because it's no longer a marketing symbol for the Pokemon franchise.

Neither is Deoxys, Pokemon doesn't have a marketing symbol anymore. Pikachu's hated, Meowth is as recognizable as Mewtwo, and who cares about the Jiggernaught? The closest thing they have is Lucario, but he's just a fad. And Mewtwo is not jousy, He's almost as cool as Captain Falcons brass nipples, don't you read my posts?

 

[the grim lizard]

You're wasting your breath, Kalypso.

Mewtwo sucked. He was slow. He was weak. He was predictable. His controls are iffy. And everything that's not weak is utterly useless.

And Fox wasn't predictable? WD Shine WD Shine, etc. etc. So, I guess what you're saying is...it's ok to be predictable as long as you're fast and you have ridiculous priority. (btw, M2's nair...AMAZING priority)

The only good thing about Mewtwo was his down-B. Everything else, even his charged up B, was weak as hell.

You obviously never played with this character...his down-B wasn't all that great, while is B was.


Bottom line, as Kalypso has pointed out numerous times...He needs some wait, maybe a little speed, and he needs some more stats to his attacks. He just got KOed too easily. Simple as that. I'm just hoping they're going to balance the game like it was in the original...no tiers, just about everyone is equal.

Well...here are the tiers for SSB:
Top: Pikachu/Kirby/Fox/Ness/Falcon/Samus/Jiggs/Mario/Luigi/Yoshi/DK
High: Link (crappy recovery FTL)

 

[GenG]

Well...here are the tiers for SSB:
Top: Pikachu/Kirby/Fox/Ness/Falcon/Samus/Jiggs/Mario/Luigi/Yoshi/DK
High: Link (crappy recovery FTL)

Are you serious? SSB had clear tiers and better characters than the rest, Fox/Kirby/Pikachu being top and Link/Samus bottom. Samus sucked bad back then, with a very slow roll, an even slower grapple and few to none defensive options.

Top
Pikachu
Kirby
Fox

High
Ness
Captain Falcon

Middle
Jigglypuff
Mario
Yoshi

Low
DK
Luigi

Bottom
Samus
Link

 

[Micahc]

And Fox wasn't predictable? WD Shine WD Shine, etc. etc. So, I guess what you're saying is...it's ok to be predictable as long as you're fast and you have ridiculous priority. (btw, M2's nair...AMAZING priority)

Actually... his Nair has worthless priority, just a godlike startup time. Everything else you said was right though

 

[the grim lizard]

Are you serious? SSB had clear tiers and better characters than the rest, Fox/Kirby/Pikachu being top and Link/Samus bottom. Samus sucked bad back then, with a very slow roll, an even slower grapple and few to none defensive options.

Well...Mine was mostly a joke (I still almost had them in order anyway.), but my point was clear. And even if there were "tiers" they weren't near as bad in Melee. Certain advantages were just multiplied with the speed/WDing/etc. My point was just that SSB was more balanced all around. I agree on the Samus sucking thing, too.

(Seriously, though...isn't it about time for Fox to be on the lower end of the tiers??)

 

[Oathblivion]

Mewtwo gets a lot of heat for getting the short end of the stick in SSBM, but anyone you talk to (unless they're a rabid anti-pokefan) agrees that he is one of the most fun characters to play with. Keeping in mind that Sakurai is all for the fans, I don't think Mewtwo's going anywhere anytime soon.

Everyone also agrees that he needs to be heavier and get stat boosts all around. I'd add better DI to it as well (I forget how good it already is; been ages since I've played). Think about it, he hovers by telekinetic power, and if it weren't too cheap he would be able to fly. Jigglypuff can't do that, and her DI is absolutely amazing. It would also give a since of being able to fly with him... Kinda.

The only move I'd like to see changed is Confusion. It's SSBM incarnation is very accurate as per the Gameboy games, but Mewtwo has nothing other than floating to suggest his telekinesis. Make Confusion attack Psychic attack, and it could work like a powerful, slower Shine attack that has great reach (something to spam Marth with) but only affects the direction Mewtwo is facing.

Just my two cents, -Oath

 

[Fawriel]

Yeah, Fox should be like Sheik without the cheapness. Speed, okay range, and priority. No strength, no infinites. Nice upper middle tier character right there, since speed and priority are among the very most important stats.

Nice post, Oath, good ideas. I approve!


(very late) EDIT: By the way.... Pikachu is hated? =o

 

[dynamic_entry]

Mewtwo's influence has waned. I think it's time for it to be replaced.
Not just because it's lousy, but also because it's no longer a marketing symbol for the Pokemon franchise.

sighs

mewtwo is not lousy, and was NEVER a marketing symbol. pikachu has always been the mascot for the francise. you can catch one in EVERY game to date.

he is still the most recognised legendary....he'll be back! [terminator music]

 

[KidSmash]

change Mewtwo to Deoxys, change its moveset alittle to fit the character
thats my opinion

 

[the_air_up_there7]

I'm pretty sure he will be back, with a stronger or faster move set.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

If this was another franchise, Mewtwo would have an excellent chance.
But Pokemon is different.
It's about marketing.
Putting Mewtwo in SSBB is bad marketing.
Deoxys pays tribute to RSEFRLG, which helped Nintendo through hard times.
Meowth advertises the T.V. show, which I think Nintendo has a stake in.
And Lucario is obvious. There to promote the new games, especially the unannounced but OBVIOUS third version of D/P.

 

[TheBlackblaze]

Feh, Mewtwo is good if you have him in the right hands, and since the first generation is the most known, he should stay in.
All mewtwo needs is a pinch of more speed and a bit weight, and if not weight, more recovery, so he could come back better. Mewtwo's Special attacks should be buffed up to, since Mewtwo is considered a strong pokemon.
All togther I think this is what our Pokemon roster will look like.
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
(insert 3rd gen/2nd gen)
Lucario.

 

[Aki-toriko]

As I said before, Mewtwo is still very much my favourite Pokemon after ten years and 500 others to choose from, as by far and away he is the most interesting one. He isn't just some random legendary, he's an experiment gone wrong, a creation designed to be the most powerful Pokemon in existence. Plus, he also technically the only 'evil' Pokemon. This is one of the main reasons he was included in Melee, partly due to the movies, partly due to his uniqueness, partly so he could be a villain character.
That being said, I'd say his appearance is 50/50. He does have a lot of fans but given the way Nintendo will want to shamelessly promote the previous 2 Pokegenerations, and how his moveset could easily be given to Deoxys, Mewtwo is well and truly sitting on the fence for Brawl.

 

[beta_prime]

I agree with Aki-toriko Mewtwo was a character for all the movies and popularity six years ago. But I have seen more support for Deoxys on this site mainly because he is from a newer Pokemon game. So overall, Mewtwo may cut and replaced by Deoxys.

I personally don't care which one stays or goes. But i'm leaning more towards Deoxys just because he's new. But they should either pick one or the other, that spot could be used for someone much more worthy and better.