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Meta Knight Q&A Thread

Exdeath

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Boofy! said:
pika is overrated imo.. don't get grabbed early, and don't fall for his obvious kill setups


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Pikachu sucks until you play a good one. The first time that you play a good Pikachu/ZSS will probably involve you asking why your character is always in hit stun.
 
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-LzR- said:
Too bad Pikachu sucks at getting a lead back when MK gets campy.
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To be honest, Pikachu is able to pressure you a lot because he has so many powerful set-ups and moves that gimp you if you DI them wrong/somehow run into them (e.g. Fsmash and Down-B). ESAM can literally run back and forth at you ~kill percent and you will have a risk of stroke.
 
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I would definitely agree that low/mid level Pikachus are just so much worse than high level ones. Granted there aren't that many high level ones but there is an enormous difference between them. Mid level ones all seem to do the same thing to me. T-Jolt spam (usually very little variation in how they do it), fishing for the grab at Chaingrab %s...etc etc. I've played and beaten soo many Pikachus as DDD, but then playing against Anther's is a complete difference. I wanna play ESAM though just because :D

*namesearch bait*
 
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whats correct way to plank with mk? how many frames of vulnerability mk have when planking?
 
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Hey all,

I'd rather not bring the frame data thread back to life... so I'll ask again here. Does anyone know how many frames it takes to cancel a glide? I'm also curious as to if canceling it in air will be longer or shorter than canceling it into the ground. It could have IASA frames and such, so that would be worth investigation.

I don't have a wii to hack and find this data with, so help filling this frame data gap would be awesome.

Thanks!
 
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Tuen said:
Hey all,

I'd rather not bring the frame data thread back to life... so I'll ask again here. Does anyone know how many frames it takes to cancel a glide? I'm also curious as to if canceling it in air will be longer or shorter than canceling it into the ground. It could have IASA frames and such, so that would be worth investigation.

I don't have a wii to hack and find this data with, so help filling this frame data gap would be awesome.

Thanks!
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That's for the Smash Lab (I pasted your request there).
 
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DI up makes his able to CG me normally. Teching anywhere gets me totally read to another grab. It feels frustrating. I heard you can avoid the dthrow stuff completely, but I just can't seem to get it to work.
 
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-LzR- said:
DI up makes his able to CG me normally. Teching anywhere gets me totally read to another grab. It feels frustrating. I heard you can avoid the dthrow stuff completely, but I just can't seem to get it to work.
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No it doesn't. DI Up and Away>Neutral B if you're always getting re-grabbed.
 
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He will adapt immediately to whatever I do >_> Ppl said you are guaranteed to escape it somehow.
 
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-LzR- said:
He will adapt immediately to whatever I do >_> Ppl said you are guaranteed to escape it somehow.
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That's a player problem, not an option problem. I just told you what your option is. DI Up and Away removes DDD's immediate/direct punish options.
 
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JonathantheMeSa said:
Okay but, can you pummel? Is there ever a way they can ground release if they mash.... just basic stuff like that.
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It is possible to pummel during a grab and still have an air release, however all releases during a pummel will be ground releases.
 
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is there a famous game where seibrik combos using a dtilt lock? if so link?

think someone mentioned it was vs esam
 
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Okay thanks guys. I know it's a big deal with the skill difference. I will try up and away next time and experiment with it. I will gladly get faired instead of dthrowed like 6 times.
 
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radiX said:
Its not the mashing that makes MK air release its pressing jump or UP on the joystick.
So basically don't do it.
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I believe that MK is one of the characters that can force an air release by grabbing MK out of the air.
 
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If they have weak OoS options and/or slow Rolls, I usually Dtilt twice or trice their shields to see what they do and then ****.
 
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What beats another MK using f-smash for ledge pressure?
Does get-up attack work (>100 or <100)or is hovering with nado and then going in during the endlag the best strat?
 
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ghostbone said:
What beats another MK using f-smash for ledge pressure?
Does get-up attack work (>100 or <100)or is hovering with nado and then going in during the endlag the best strat?
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Get up attack does just work, if they got the wrong spacing.
Down B works, if they charge the fsmash or if you predict their next fsmash.
It´s an underused strategy, since it´s easy to punish, if your opponent doesn´t just mindless charges fsmashes.
You could try to glide on a fsmashing opponent, since glide beats fsmash (learn the spacing), but he could just release the fsmash, if he sees you gliding and then punish you for it.
Jumping above him with DJ from the ledge/ledgejump also works, but that´s punishable, since it puts you in a juggling position.
As you see there is no save way to get back, but you got multiple options what to do.
Tornadoing in also works.
You can nado above the fsmash or use the laggy gaps between the smashes, to punish it.
You could also try to mindgame him, by nadoing, waiting outside of his fsmash range, wait for him to release the fsmash and then going in.

There are lots of options, how to deal with the situation.
The above are probably the basics.
 
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