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I was actually gonna add a part about fsmash lol. I couldn't believe how lag free it is after the pullback. I missed but then threw out a dtilt basically immediatelyMK is Fox with a sword.
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned f-smash, tbh Tugnus. That thing is insane and he steps back to space the move FOR you. It's pretty sick.
Tornado fully mashed actually gains you a fair amount of height so you can use it for recovery (empty space to above ledge, ledge to platform) and to kinda toy with people who aren't sweetspotting. I would say that I wish it had an AC height just like I wish that Shuttle Loop had an AC (auto-cancel) height, but w/e, I guess. He's already extremely fast.
peach's nair is frame 3 tooJust wanna say.....
NAIR IS FRAME 3 WHERE YOU AT PEACH
somewhere between 20 and 24 KappaI ****ing love this character. The more i play him the more i like him. Also anyone know the max vertical distance you can get from mashed neutral b?
frame perfect would be thisI ****ing love this character. The more i play him the more i like him. Also anyone know the max vertical distance you can get from mashed neutral b?
Metaknight is getting his revenge. Tornado beats almost every option Sonic has btw
I think it feels that way on the MK side as well. It's interesting to say the least. sonics more ranged moves like f-tilt can poke through the nado as wellI've noticed this as well, but just about anything beats Sonic's moves lol; Playing against MK feels like I'm playing the brawl MU, I like it.
I think it feels that way on the MK side as well. It's interesting to say the least. sonics more ranged moves like f-tilt can poke through the nado as well
What are you talking about? Do you not play any other characters? MK's recovery is easily the least predictable recovery. Almost every other character, after the initial UpB input, recovers in almost the exact same way. Meta Knight DOES not. You have full control of him during the glide and if anyone actually goes off stage to gimp you...META KNIGHT CAN JUST GO UNDER THE ****ING STAGE!I think Metaknight is a really cool character, and not terrible by any means, but it's okay to admit he has flaws guys. You don't have to defend his recovery because you're happy with how he turned out. He's a fun character along with being pretty damn good. But his recovery is just all right. His easily gimped or straight stuffed by anyone with good priority so he's forced to rely on mixing up his returning to the stage so he's not beat down. Just saying, if we're going to get constructive character discussion done, we've gotta be cool admitting he has weaknesses.
I play plenty of characters. I'm just saying his recovery isn't the best. I know that there's a ton of different approaches, I'm just saying realistically a lot of them are easily stuffed, edgeguarded, or beaten when predicted.What are you talking about? Do you not play any other characters? MK's recovery is easily the least predictable recovery. Almost every other character, after the initial UpB input, recovers in almost the exact same way. Meta Knight DOES not. You have full control of him during the glide and if anyone actually goes off stage to gimp you...META KNIGHT CAN JUST GO UNDER THE ****ING STAGE!
LOL. Does anyone in your opinion have a good recovery? Because if MK is "predictable and easily stuffed", everyone else is FREEEEEE (cept the grapplers).I play plenty of characters. I'm just saying his recovery isn't the best. I know that there's a ton of different approaches, I'm just saying realistically a lot of them are easily stuffed, edgeguarded, or beaten when predicted.
Ummm so what happens with every other character when there's someone on the ledge "edgeguarding you." You make it seem like its IMPOSSIBLE to return. **** if MK can't recover, how the hell has SilentSpectre been doing **** recoveries with Falcon for so many years? How is Shroomed's recovery SOO good yet he is using Dr Mario's stubby little arms to recover?Under the stage? You sure you aren't playing Brawl? Every single B Move can be used to recover horizontally, as long as you are only slightly below the ledge. When you are doing it just vertically then your option is DownB and try to sweetspot it. Tornado may reach the ledge but you won't grab it without overshooting (Instant death). Reverse Shuttle Loop MAY do it if you actually touch the floor but it's also a free kill by anyone standing there on the edge... You know.. Edgeguarding you.
It'd be cool if the Glide flying mechanics were closer to Brawl, where he can actually gain a lot of height and fly into the ledge despite a low Shuttle Loop.
Off topic but how do you feel about Sonic now Nazo? Also thanks for the images toaster. Great to know
how'd it break?**** my broken wii
how?MK is pretty bad. His dive sword is OP tho.
Another point to add. Unlike Jiggs and other people with multiple jumps, MK has a super fast Uair that...HE CAN USE AND STILL GAIN VERTICAL DISTANCE! Waaaaaat. So safe.On Topic:
Tugnus is right, every special move MK has is a potential recovery move. With the addition of his 4 air jumps this makes for a million-and-one recoveries. Just watch as his metagame evolves, it'll all be clear.
Lol. Your dying off stage with MK? I can literally sit off stage, jump bair 4 times, then shuttle loop to anything I want.You can try that your upB ends close to the ledge and then you'll latch. Some recoveries also have invincibility or a difficult to stuff hitbox (Mario/Dr.). Marth's is similarly unsafe to stuff like Tornado recovery except you can actually sweetspot it if you try, not to mention it goes way higher.
You can say what you want about Cfalcon recoveries, it is still really bad and similar to MK's if you use Tornado/Drill/Shuttle. MK does have one good recovery option and it's the Dimensional Cape! And it's not bad at all, but you still don't have "Recovery mixups" vertically like it has been theorized.
DK's vertically recovery? He's in the same spot as MK here, he will die to any meteor or semi spike or even like MK Downsmash. However DK is not reliant on offstage combat and even then his Bair is much safer than MK aerials. When I try to do 2 aerials offstage it's like I'm doing DK/Marth Dair kills. I can probably do more aerials with Mario and still recover better.
BTW I think Metaknight is a great character onstage and has some of the best A moves ever with great throws, speed, combos and such. I just don't really like his recovery even if he has good aerials to kill offstage.. A similar character is Pikachu with similarly good Nair and Bair but I think Pikachu is superior here. Perhaps I played too much Brawl and expected this character to be able to surpass Jiggly gimps, he just turned out very different. Maybe it'll change as his metagame is developed. Perhaps his Uair is an amazing offstage tool to avoid falling while also hitting, dunno.
Yeah I am. But not just jumping and doing like high Bairs and stuff- Going low to catch a recovering opponent close to the stage... Think a Marth or Mario upB, and usually doing Nair. Have started dying much much less now that I only use Dimensional cape though, just need to get over that twitch reflex to upB...Lol. Your dying off stage with MK? I can literally sit off stage, jump bair 4 times, then shuttle loop to anything I want.
know that getting it even close to frame perfect will probably never happen. i can always get it to like 3 MKs lower than that max heightOff topic but how do you feel about Sonic now Nazo? Also thanks for the images toaster. Great to know
See now the only real applicable situation you can think of where MK goes LOW is during HIS edgeguarding. Dude that's even easier. There's no one up top to edgeguard you... Why would you have wasted any of your jumps?Yeah I am. But not just jumping and doing like high Bairs and stuff- Going low to catch a recovering opponent close to the stage... Think a Marth or Mario upB, and usually doing Nair. Have started dying much much less now that I only use Dimensional cape though, just need to get over that twitch reflex to upB...
My hard drive is corrupted (all of a sudden lol) and it no longer reads discs of any sort, when you put in a disc and it tries to read it you a black screen and the only option is to turn it off.how'd it break?
This sounds like jigglypuff doing sour spot fair.MK having his Brawl DAir in P:M basically means spacies, amongst others, will never come back to the stage. That kind of disjoint that sends at a horizontal angle would be even more broken in a Melee-esque environment.
Yes that's the thing I was too lazy to do, but Vigilante knows exactly the steps for that. I can invite you into the skype group of brainiacs if you want, my skype is james.madwayBut the app doesn't work, everything works up until you try to actually load the game, it's there and it recognizes the game it but it warns me that my IOS or cIOS needs to be changed. So I'm trying to change it and that process just isn't working and I really have no clue what to do now since nothing is working
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except instead of her feet, she has a sword, and an upb that helps her recover, and she can fall more quickly to edgeguard.This sounds like jigglypuff doing sour spot fair.