Okay, there are a couple things I would like to point out:
Aggressive Mediation;12706542[B said:
]Kind of an assumption, but that's why I hate meta tells: they rely on assumptions that the player has not changed his play. How do you know we are (read: y'know, solid proof that doesn't assume something first to become valid) bull****ting?[/B]
Quoth Ryker: "I don't care. I AM normally full of ****. I'm not backing off of this because I have this role. Decide whether I'm lying or I'm not lying based on what I'm doing."
This is based entirely on methods. Ryker hates RVS, we chose to claim it to bypass RVS. It gave something for town to talk about it and it gave us a lead on finding scum--you.
I won't deny that you would be the one to pull meta against us, but it's a flimsy reason to use.
Quoth Ryker part 2: "We're either lying scum or Princess town and you're scum for trying to leave us open for a night kill."
I agree with that too. Soup's got his points backwards: Scum want to spread FUD about a princess claim. Scum want to leave it open to debate and want to keep town from believing it because they want to have that backdoor opportunity to kill the Princess whenever they need to kill the two kills. By consistently throwing doubt onto us, you're essentially leaving us open for lynch or NKill--exactly what scum want.
unvote Vote: Vult Redux
Lil Jon/Vult Redux for scum team if Vult flips scum.
AM said:
Same ****ing Red Ruy as RE4 Red Ruy. Sits on sidelines, doesn't say a lot about anything, doesn't comment on the princess claim, tries to direct town subtly without really getting involved in what's going on, and instead of adding his own opinion, he suggests we wait for others to post.
look at the bold
Although the point that someone isn't really doing something (disregarding whether or not you believe this point to be true about RR), one may say that you're using meta right here. I thought you hated meta tells? Yet you're using it here. What's up with that?
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Gord(f?): I'm not really liking what I just saw from you. You kinda just rode off of what
AM said about RR, which is a point I don't even think was valid. AM declared that RR wasn't giving opinions, wasn't getting invovled in with the town, been sitting on the sidelines, ect., and you said in your 198 that those points seemed "pretty spot on." While I do definitely see some "useless" posts from RR, I would not go as far as to say that he has not provided content, or has been sitting on the sidelines, or anything like that. I question whether or not you actually checked to see if AM point was valid, or if you were just trying to ride off something Ryker said.
Also, when Joey/RR pointed out that this was flawed, you played a game of logistics and said that he simply "showed opinions, . . . not anything town could work with."
Gord(f?) said:
He showed... OPINIONS. He gave us small opinions. Not much of anything town can really work with.
What are you expecting from him? Isn't opinions kind of the equivalent to "something town can work with?" Also, what have you've done?
Also, the game only started yesterday. Even if he hadn't been giving opinions, could you still call anyone out on this at this point in time?
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Vult, a couple of your points for not believing AM seem fair. Somethings I question, but my dad is pressuring me to go (he's the one taking me to the tourny) so I'll get to them later.
Anyways, I'll end that post with this:
unvote vote Gord(f?)
Later!
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