Melee after brawl?

[hova]

i agree that Brawl needs to be developed more before holding major tournies such as Evo, but we still need the smaller tournies in order to get to that level. i think Brawl is a lot of fun, but still think melee is an amazing game, but i just got tired of melee and stop going to tournies long before brawl.

some people wanting to continue with melee is legit because they just love the game that much, but others only wish to go back for other scrubby reasons. and it will be the scrubs that will hate on brawl now and then jump on the bandwagon if the game does develop into something more.

Eggm you definitely love melee and like Sensei, with the 64 version, will continue to play the older game far from now, others are just posers


i have no idea whether brawl will develop into something more, but i have fun with the game and will reserve more critical analysis for a much later date from today. either way, i always move on to the next game and will do so again

Eggm- come down to MD/VA for a fest, we definitely have embraced brawl. TA and H2YL play on the regular. you can even crash at my place

 

[Eggm]

I know you guys have playing at chu's biweekly was a lot more fun than playing brawl there.

 

[icethatclimbs]

melee for life!!! the best gamee!!

 

[meepxzero]

Nope because melee doesnt have 36 characters for me to find a main *rolls eyes*

I had a longer response but im lazy to prove any points.

 

[LOL_Master]

melee for life!!! the best gamee!!

 

[brawlpro]

melee for life!!! the best gamee!!

 

[BlackPanther]

What's wrong with jumping on the bandwagon when the game starts to get good. If you don't really find fun because of the shallowness then you shouldn't have to play it and be called a "scrub" just because you'd rather wait for some real stuff to be discovered for it, that's just a silly statement.

 

[GCH]

I'd be amazed if there's a somehwhat usable Melee community.

Melee>Brawl

 

[LoVer]

Go back to Melee. Seriously, no one will care. Brawl is the future.

 

[slikvik]

hmm...tournaments for both? i see it happening

 

[mikeHAZE]

Go back to Melee. Seriously, no one will care. Brawl is the future.

says random guy who had never played competitively.

 

[Omni]

Here's my input. I'll keep it simple as always.

Melee is fun.
Brawl is fun.

Brawl is definitely a tournament game. It's never too early to turn a game into the tourny scene. There use to be a time in Melee when Ganondorfs (no offense, ganon is awesome, think eddie) and up+b spamming Links would place high in tournys. This is the same situation Melee was in. I dare anyone to prove to me otherwise.

Sakurai didn't look at SSB64 and say, "Hmm, this game is too dumb. Lets add L-Cancelling, wavedashing, and combos." He simply changed the mechanics to make the game have a different feel to it but was still fun to play. From Melee to Brawl, he didn't study our matches on YouTube and come to the conclusion that all this high-technical mania needs to be taken out. Again, he changed the mechanics because it is a new game.

Anyone who thinks Brawl ISN'T technical is highly mistaken. There are many things in this game that have yet to be discovered and because it isn't listed on a Forum on a list for us to study and on videos for us to practice, people get upset and claim the game is for noobs.

Those people are the noobs. They are the ones that make excuses for their losses or their inability to progress. They are the ones that don't understand the concept of expanding margins between playing levels between friends. No matter how simple or complex a game may seem it has DEPTH.

Seriously. Give me a reason why Brawl can't be as competitive as Melee and I will shoot that reason down with the arrow of justice and enlightenment.

Oh, and melee is still awesome. Wheeeee.

 

[mikeHAZE]

im pretty sure lcanceling was in 64.

 

[Omni]

*Pulls back Arrow of Justice and Enlightment and fires.*

That was Z-Cancelling.

 

[brawlpro]

Lol I'm pretty sure lcanceling stands for lag cancel and not canceling lag with the L button. Mike's right when he says it had lcancel in it. It can sorta be called either.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

technically its Z-cancel

 

[LOL_Master]

hmm...tournaments for both? i see it happening

of course you see it happening, you love both games, you'd like the tekken you used to play to be in tourny too

 

[Miharu]

i agree that Brawl needs to be developed more before holding major tournies such as Evo, but we still need the smaller tournies in order to get to that level. i think Brawl is a lot of fun, but still think melee is an amazing game, but i just got tired of melee and stop going to tournies long before brawl.

some people wanting to continue with melee is legit because they just love the game that much, but others only wish to go back for other scrubby reasons. and it will be the scrubs that will hate on brawl now and then jump on the bandwagon if the game does develop into something more.

Eggm you definitely love melee and like Sensei, with the 64 version, will continue to play the older game far from now, others are just posers


i have no idea whether brawl will develop into something more, but i have fun with the game and will reserve more critical analysis for a much later date from today. either way, i always move on to the next game and will do so again

Eggm- come down to MD/VA for a fest, we definitely have embraced brawl. TA and H2YL play on the regular. you can even crash at my place

Yeah, I definitely agree with this.

Apologies for the misreading of your earlier post and flames. My bad.

Just the stupid posts like this:

Go back to Melee. Seriously, no one will care. Brawl is the future.

Really don't help.

 

[HAT]

I guess I haven't repeated the same thing again enough times.

The fact of the matter is.. we've gone through two games of glitch removal to get to Brawl. My assertion is that Brawl may simply not be nearly as deep as Melee.

Sure, we'll find out as the game progresses. But I'm willing to put money on this. You can only go so far with this stuff.

 

[Joe_Sumo]

I would love to stick with melee but it's dso hard to find tournaments.

 

[Omni]

I guess I haven't repeated the same thing again enough times.

The fact of the matter is.. we've gone through two games of glitch removal to get to Brawl. My assertion is that Brawl may simply not be nearly as deep as Melee.

Sure, we'll find out as the game progresses. But I'm willing to put money on this. You can only go so far with this stuff.

Glitches don't make games deep, Hat.

Brawl may not be as deep as Melee, but let's not jump to any conclusions 2 weeks after its release given we've had 6 years to investigate Melee.

 

[xylem]

I love how guys like you go "wait and see lol". the community is way more competitive than it was 6 years ago and pro's are working around the clock to find something, ANYTHING, to make this game more competitive. It doesn't really take more than a month to find something game-breaking if you're actively looking for it.

I steadfastly believe Brawl is not "the future" as one poster put it, but it will be harder to play melee and anybody good who isn't just a mercenary smasher (ie. pro who doesn't give a **** how boring & ******** it gets, just hand him his money) may have to move on...to a traditional 2-d fighter. I believe GG may receive an influx of disgruntled smashers if the melee scene doesn't resurrect itself after a few months.

 

[T Bird]

Hey hey hey. I am getting tired of people not acknowlodging one thing that brawl has done MUCH better than melee. Brawl's charecters are more diverse, that's cause there's more of them... Also, a very important note, they are MUCH more balanced. Thus not every match will have to include a fox a marth a falco a sheik... so on. There were about 8 charecters in Melee that were considered good enough for tourneys, as far as I know, brawl beets it there.
That said, brawl blows. Every charecter in Brawl would get their but handed to them 4 stock wise if Pichu of melee was included in the game. There are no combos, everything is so fluid, everything is SOOO **** slow. I would love to play more melee, but it was hard to find someone to play with before brawl, it won't be possible now.

 

[LOL_Master]

I love how guys like you go "wait and see lol". the community is way more competitive than it was 6 years ago and pro's are working around the clock to find something, ANYTHING, to make this game more competitive. It doesn't really take more than a month to find something game-breaking if you're actively looking for it.

I steadfastly believe Brawl is not "the future" as one poster put it, but it will be harder to play melee and anybody good who isn't just a mercenary smasher (ie. pro who doesn't give a **** how boring & ******** it gets, just hand him his money) may have to move on...to a traditional 2-d fighter. I believe GG may receive an influx of disgruntled smashers if the melee scene doesn't resurrect itself after a few months.

dont know who you are, but...oh yeah very good post very very very

 

[Crizthakidd]

i agree with some disagree with others. lol brawl is SOOO dam slow. no combos, no way to be better then your friend joe. only thing to seperate pros and noob now is logic and mindgames. of course new little techs are being discovered but those dont help...much. what i do know is that the game is a lot less glitchy then melee. the guys making brawl spent 3 years making the game glitchless.

i wish there was a more competitive way to it tho

 

[Radical Dreamer]

Sakurai didn't look at SSB64 and say, "Hmm, this game is too dumb. Lets add L-Cancelling, wavedashing, and combos."

Wow, so unbelievably ignorant.

Anyway, I'm tired of *******s saying "MOVE ON, MELEE IS OVER." Games like Tekken 4 and Soul Calibur 3 didn't replace previous entries in their respective series because they were inferior games. This could easily happen with Melee given how much of a screwup Brawl is compared to it. Melee should only be discontinued when Nintendo actually decides to release a competent sequel, like Namco did when they came out with Tekken 5 and later Dark Ressurection.

 

[humBAM]

Well if you wanna play a slow game based on camping your spacing. Plus the edgegame is so ********. Also you can't say if someone is good or not since everyone look noob. "THE GAME BEEN OUT FOR 1 WEEK" thats just a lame excuse there won't be any L cancel or glitches. No more dashdances? how gay they completly destroyed the game. I know they said its not SSBM 2.1 but im sure any good players will confirm that Melee is way better game than this SSBB thing. Plus most of you guys are scrubs haters that totally suck at melee thats why you like the game so much. my point of view




EDIT ; wow when i read myself that look like a hate post uh.

 

[Cbone]

*agrees with bam* and tripping is like an item in the game, maybe i'm wrong but i believe it occurs at random intervals and thats just like items spawning on a map, it gives the other player an unfair, unpredictable advantage. LOLZ you tripped 15 times that game and i only tripped once so you got 3 stocked LOLZ.

 

[ViceGrip]

Melee rules. i've been to one major tournament and that was fun as hell. My friends and i played all summer refining wavedashing, l (or z, w/e) cancelling and other crap. since Brawl is so different and seemingly less deep than melee they're both being cheap and not buying a wii because they're just gonna stick w/ melee. I for one hope that the Brawl scene does not consist of arrogant newbs and that eventually people will become so good as to be able to consitantly 3-4 stock people of significantly lesser skill. atm it doesnt appear that way but i'm sure it will develop. Yes tripping is ***tastic and the game is much slower, but i'm looking forward to becoming good enough so that its not a close match every time.

 

[xylem]

Melee rules. i've been to one major tournament and that was fun as hell. My friends and i played all summer refining wavedashing, l (or z, w/e) cancelling and other crap. since Brawl is so different and seemingly less deep than melee they're both being cheap and not buying a wii because they're just gonna stick w/ melee. I for one hope that the Brawl scene does not consist of arrogant newbs and that eventually people will become so good as to be able to consitantly 3-4 stock people of significantly lesser skill. atm it doesnt appear that way but i'm sure it will develop. Yes tripping is ***tastic and the game is much slower, but i'm looking forward to becoming good enough so that its not a close match every time.

really that's all I'm asking for, a method of attack that will ensure a three or four stock from a person who just plays level 9's and assumes they're good. of course tech skill isn't everything; I figured that out the hard way. I mean I friggen shdl, jc infinite until their shield is totally fcuked and get hit by the shine, flatland infinite, and upB cancel, all CONSISTENTLY, and has anyone heard of me? No, because although these things are overpowered and take @ssloads of skill to do, it's ultimately more effective to know your matchups, use common sense and simply pick an easymode character like peach. Not to say I haven't beaten some *** but If you want to actually win in a noteworthy tournament tech skill is not a substitute for experience and mindgames.

however the fact that I could improve without having to fight other people and developing "mind games" made melee so much more valuable to me than Brawl, so much so that I'm canceling my pre-order. I mean what the hell am I supposed to do in Brawl when I'm bored by myself (and for the sake of the argument, without the internet. just addressing that before some brawl*** comes up goes "lol u r never alone with TEH ONLINE!!1!") ? I can't practice jack **** cause they've took everything requiring skill out or have made it useless.

 

[MattDotZeb]

<Insert long post here>

tl;dr -
Melee is deep.
Brawl is too early to tell

*lock*

 

[LOL_Master]

Well if you wanna play a slow game based on camping your spacing. Plus the edgegame is so ********. Also you can't say if someone is good or not since everyone look noob. "THE GAME BEEN OUT FOR 1 WEEK" thats just a lame excuse there won't be any L cancel or glitches. No more dashdances? how gay they completly destroyed the game. I know they said its not SSBM 2.1 but im sure any good players will confirm that Melee is way better game than this SSBB thing. Plus most of you guys are scrubs haters that totally suck at melee thats why you like the game so much. my point of view




EDIT ; wow when i read myself that look like a hate post uh.

it's no hate when it's pure facts

 

[g-regulate]

Plus most of you guys are scrubs haters that totally suck at melee thats why you like the game so much.

yea pretty much every good player in md/va with the exception of Plank loves brawl and plays it all the time, and even he plays brawl a lot.

 

[LOL_Master]

everyone plays brawl, good and bad people, it's just that...melee's a better game

 

[xylem]

I know why scrubs like that ****, but why do some of the pro's tolerate it? ESPECIALLY falcon players. You can't freaking move or combo so I don't understand why they would like this game other than loyalty to the franchise. Are you guys just die-hard fans who don't care if Nintendo stiffs you out of paranoia that you may cut into their profits cause you're too good, or can you honestly see a potential we don't within Brawl?

Or perhaps you're just a mercenary smasher who likes taking money from the jerks who couldn't cut it in melee? Well somebody's gotta do it, I can't be bothered to if it's not a satisfying experience.

 

[Eggm]

yea pretty much every good player in md/va with the exception of Plank loves brawl and plays it all the time, and even he plays brawl a lot.

Say that like 6 months to a year from now and i'll be impressed.

 

[otg]

I would just like to point out the trend in all Nintendo Wii games: They suck.

Does Brawl fit the same category? You can decide yourself. I'll play both but I feel Melee will stand the test of time. Thats what I believe, hate if you want.

 

[Nasanieru]

Yeah I agree with the OP to an extent.
I really like Brawl, it has given me a huge amount of enjoyment. Godly music, stage building, new characters, and an amazing amount of new features.
After I completed the game and unlocked tonnes of new stuff, I decided to work on my competitive game. As a Brawl Peach main the game is great with all the semi-adv. techs that are being discovered (^ ^ Pseudo L-cancelling ftw). But I noticed that the games that I played were way closer than they used to be; In Melee I could **** with most of my matches ending with a 4-3 stock lead, but in Brawl it ends with a 2 or last stock lead. I have been practicing like a man possessed, but the broken recoveries that some characters have and also the current camp-based metagame seriously impair most of my efforts, making the game less fun (don't even get me started on TRIPPING, the one responsible for the idea should have been fired on the spot!!). Thinking it was just me, I tried my luck at Melee. It was amazing. The speed and precision in Melee kept me playing for hours.
IMO so far Melee is still way above Brawl in terms of competitiveness, I hope that over time as the Brawl metagame develops it will surpass Melee, if possible. . .
Theres my 2 cents, I'm not going to abandon Melee yet, or Brawl.

 

[Toadster5]

Street Fighter 4 looks fun.

 

[sharkboy013]

First post in forever.

As much as I'd like to say I still prefer Melee, its hard to go back to something when a new game has been released. You run into people who are of the "Out with the Old", "In with the new" mind set and they have no motivation to go back. I like Brawl, to me its a brand new game to try things in, and I'm of the opinion that it is still much too early to decide. God knows what kind of techniques could occur in the next few months. Some people might find something that will finally make a valid tier list. Maybe not.

You guys use Counter Strike as an example. I use Soul Calibur as an example. I used to play SC2 something fierce in the last couple of years and it was something of a balanced game. Tiers were there, but low tiers could beat high with great practice. SC2 was a much better and far more balanced game when it came down to actual playability. Then SC3 came along and all was ruined. Talim (A normally mid high char) was doomed to extinction, Cervantes became mortal, and very annoying chicks came to dominate top tier (Cass, X, Sophy)

I hated what it turned into. A lot of Soul Calibur players hated what it turned into. Ohio had a pretty solid showing of people that played, and all of it went to snuff on SC3's release. People wanted to play SC2, yet the new game was out and it was hard to find competition.

Smash is going through a rough time right now. All you can hope for is an update of some sort, or begin weathering the storm, or its gonna be a tough road ahead.

I have nothing against you guys playing Melee. I'm a Falco player. I feel like I got ripped off by the changes made.. But I've been through this mess once before, and I plan to go with the flow and see where it leads me. I'll play Brawl because I like to think I'm halfway decent at it. (Unlike you guys, not all of my matches have been close and I've 2-3 stocked a few people.), I like the social gathering it brings to the University of Akron, as Melee/Brawl is practically a sport to a lot of us. Granted, Falco will never be the same in Brawl, but I've already adjusted to it and have someone different to play.

Melee to your hearts content. Hopefully you guys can keep a steady flux of people where Soul Calibur had failed.