Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[#HBC | Ryker]

No but you're the scummiest player alive.

That makes zero sense with the post you quoted, but I'll go ahead and say I disagree with the sentence you did post. Try again, champ.






Lol, Tery isn't even viewing anymore.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm tired of this. The whole idea devolved from a differentiation between Red Ryu and Boatchouli to Red Ryu or JTB and now this shenaniganistic behavior.

 

[Inferno3044]

tery who do you want to shoot?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Hey Gheb, let's ask you a question and see if you'll answer me this time.

ASSUMING I AM DEAD AND I HAVE FLIPPED TOWN: WHO SHOULD FOLLOW?

 

[adumbrodeus]

You ******. You're stretching your post to be large and impressive because you want to lynch me not because I'm scummier than RR/JTB, but because you want to lynch me.

1.) So? I challenge you to look at the voting behavior of the other players left. At this point, you can make that case aimed at anyone. Voting patterns don't mean jack ****. Should I push you for your attempt to ditch the Circus wagon on Day 1?

Actually, someone go look at that as I have to try and get Hentai Mafia off the ground after this.

Total bunk, you're saying VOTING BEHAVIOR isn't a valid indicator of scum? Are you serious?

Also, I was never on the circus wagon, I pushed against it cause I thought it was gonna result in a no lynch and I hadn't had a chance to look at him, so I wanted a better target.

2.) That's funny. Yeah, I did. I am absolutely sure that everyone in this game has lied (as town) about how much they've read when they have a mountain of reading to do that they have not done. Why is it scummy? You only state that I did. You don't even go into why I could possibly look into one specific thing which goes to show that you are looking solely at what empowers your case instead of trying to analyze my motive. Take the blinders off and stop tunneling.

Which doesn't address the reason why you'd make the specific mistake, that the only possible reading pattern that it matches with is not having figured out who'd be a good case to push instead of you.

3.) WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM as both OS and myself have pointed out. It makes sense PRECISELY FOR THIS SITUATION! It also makes sense if he had previously expressed he was okay with me. It also makes sense if he thought I wouldn't be likely to vote for him. It also makes sense if he thought he would earn town credit for opposing a mislynch. The list goes on and on. Point three is a bald faced lie.

Stating your opinion which opposes mine is not a valid counter-argument, try again.

4.) I have no idea what this is in reference to. Elaborate in a couple of sentences on what this means.

It was rather obvious if you bothered to read, you bent backwards to make a future lynch possible for anyone. What you said about "regardless of his alignment, this is a good post" in regards to OS is a particular example.

5.) FF wasn't a possible target, are you ********? OS had him as town and hell if I could get FF lynched without MAJOR complications to my slot which was certainly not what I needed after coming in off of an inactive day.

And why should that stop a townie? Pushing him at the very least should get other people to consider in and potentially allow for him to be lynched later. But no, you were concerned about survival

6.) Because OS was making me laugh and supporting the idea of listening to me instead of continuing to write the slot off as scum because looking at pictures takes a small bit of deciphering. Again, please explain why this is a scum tell.

And how does that invalidate my point? You don't do anything without a purpose.

7.) WHAT!? There is one, ONE useless picture in this game and it comes with a pic unrelated warning because it was Megaman themed and I thought it was interesting. Do NOT push this bull****. Earlier in this game you said that the pictures were easy enough to decipher and the problem was that my slot didn't have enough content. I even agreed with that due to me being gone most of the early game.

As far as useless posts go, they don't fake contribution, they're there for my own ****s and giggles.

PLEASE do me a favor and explain how RR and JTB have made more contributions than I this game. I would LOVE to see you stumble over it and try to keep your blinders on.

No, the issue was that the pictures themselves weren't enough content.

And the problem wasn't even so much when you were gone, the problem was when you were there you said almost nothing.

You disguised that with pictures.

8.) Or, you know, extreme lack of reads due to having not been involved with the game.

Cool story bro, would be believable if all your content didn't smell

9.) I've already asked why you guys are up in arms about a mafia bomb as it doesn't make sense any more than the possibility of any mafia member having the possibility of being a bomb. I want Tery lynched before the game is over, but I don't want him shooting me. That's the extent of our "relationship."

Which doesn't address the way HE treated you.




Sideseps and feints, again, you don't actually bother to address the core issues behind this.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Hey Gheb, let's ask you a question and see if you'll answer me this time.

ASSUMING I AM DEAD AND I HAVE FLIPPED TOWN: WHO SHOULD FOLLOW?

As said before, RR.


If you flip scum, jtb.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Cool, then that's a vote in support of JTB if not me, from your PoV, correct?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Getting to your other post.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Cool, then that's a vote in support of JTB if not me, from your PoV, correct?

Nope. Your death tells me about both jtb and RR.

Either of their deaths only tells me about you.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

tery who do you want to shoot?

I stand by my original side of Red Ryu.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Total bunk, you're saying VOTING BEHAVIOR isn't a valid indicator of scum? Are you serious?

Completely. Stances and reasons matter more than the fact that there is a vote where a vote is.

Also, I was never on the circus wagon, I pushed against it cause I thought it was gonna result in a no lynch and I hadn't had a chance to look at him, so I wanted a better target.

So? I pushed for Raziek because I thought he could very easily be scum and his lynch was a much better alternative to my own.

Which doesn't address the reason why you'd make the specific mistake, that the only possible reading pattern that it matches with is not having figured out who'd be a good case to push instead of you.

No. It matches someone who wanted to know what the hell was going on with a random clear after having only skimmed a couple posts.

BAM! Plausible scenario to your WIFOM.

Stating your opinion which opposes mine is not a valid counter-argument, try again.

It's WIFOM, WIFOM
Gotta get high on WIIIIIIFOOOOOOM.
Gotta make my mind up, which role can I claaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiim?

It actually is a counter-argument as I stated multiple plausible scenarios that could explain how Circus could benefit from his behavior that do not involve me being scum. I am not saying your analysis isn't plausible, I'm saying that there is absolutely no way for you to tell if it is correct.

It was rather obvious if you bothered to read, you bent backwards to make a future lynch possible for anyone. What you said about "regardless of his alignment, this is a good post" in regards to OS is a particular example.

Because I didn't know what was going on. Hell, until today, I never fully understood why people were clearing you. I'm closing lynch options now that I know what's going on.

And why should that stop a townie? Pushing him at the very least should get other people to consider in and potentially allow for him to be lynched later. But no, you were concerned about survival

Yes. Yes I was. You know what? My death causes my faction harm, regardless of my alignment. Survival based play in the short term isn't damning in the slightest. Especially when it consists of not pushing someone who would be impossible to lynch at that point.

And how does that invalidate my point? You don't do anything without a purpose.

But like hell you can know what that purpose was or I can prove I'm telling the truth about it.

No, the issue was that the pictures themselves weren't enough content.

Yep. Content is a weak thing in a game with RR and JTB still alive though.

And the problem wasn't even so much when you were gone, the problem was when you were there you said almost nothing.

See above.

You disguised that with pictures.

Bull****. OS mentioned it at some point. Disguising with pictures is a TERRIBLE strategy as it brings a LOT of unnecessary scrutiny to your posts and your slor.

Cool story bro, would be believable if all your content didn't smell

Hmmm, could that be a by-product of not knowing what was going on? Jeez, Adum, it's like you're helping my point here.

Which doesn't address the way HE treated you.

Doesn't matter at this point. He's town or we wouldn't be waiting on him. Do you really want to stick with this one?

Sideseps and feints, again, you don't actually bother to address the core issues behind this.

Nice try, but I definitely did. You just choose not to recognize anything that doesn't help you. Again, blinders on and fingers in your ears.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Nope. Your death tells me about both jtb and RR.

Either of their deaths only tells me about you.

So you abstain and don't want to try and help reach a decision if I am not the target. Man, you won't play four square because we didn't vote for kickball. What a mean kindergartner.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Tery shoot Boat, seriously just do it, there is no reason to go against town's wishes at this point.

I don't care if I get shot, but again I prefer if Boat dies because his death is essential to the rest of the reads in this game.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Tery shoot Boat, seriously just do it, there is no reason to go against town's wishes at this point.

I don't care if I get shot, but again I prefer if Boat dies because his death is essential to the rest of the reads in this game.

I've been over this already. That is not what the town wants. It's what AB wants and what the scum team wants.

What the town wants is JTB or RR. Nich and FF want JTB. Me and Inferno want RR. AB wants me. There's what the town wants.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I've been over this already. That is not what the town wants. It's what AB wants and what the scum team wants.

What the town wants is JTB or RR. Nich and FF want JTB. Me and Inferno want RR. AB wants me. There's what the town wants.

Would it make you feel better if I posted my role PM and got Mod killed?

$50 I'm town via paypal?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Inferno wants you dead as well btw.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

RR, do you have ANYTHING at all to add in the event that you are shot? The possibility is real and you should get it out there. JTB too, but he hasn't said anything but Tery, Tery, Tery, and keep an eye on Inferno and FF.

Perfectly fine with EITHER shot from the RR/JTB pool as both are scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Would it make you feel better if I posted my role PM and got Mod killed?

$50 I'm town via paypal?

WIFOM, all of it.

If you're not scum, then it's good game. I'll follow and we'll lose together.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Because I help nothing with that.

Why not?

SPECIFIC POSTS!

You acknowledged these posts. Try harder scum.

Mafia bomb safe claim? You are poisoning the water hole with the mafia bomb story. Where did the original suspicion come from?

Because Tery as mafia bomb is a valid possibility with a vengreful safeclaim, that is why I wanted JTB or you to hammer, if not myself if town wanted it.

How should the day proceed tomorrow if Tery shoots you instead? I'd get those last words in just in case.

Lynching you.

Quote the previous post after you're done with the rest of this one in case we run out of time.

Stop asking for repeated citation, I already did this here

What will you do if I am shot by Tery and we both flip town. That leaves you with one suspect and the noose tightening around your neck even if JTB is lynched first.

One of FF or Inferno is lying and guessed a role wouldn't be in the game, I'm more willing to bet FF is lying than Inferno. Though I doubt it will get this far seeing as I am confident you as scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR, do you have ANYTHING at all to add in the event that you are shot? The possibility is real and you should get it out there. JTB too, but he hasn't said anything but Tery, Tery, Tery, and keep an eye on Inferno and FF.

Perfectly fine with EITHER shot from the RR/JTB pool as both are scum.

I trust AB is town, along with Nich. This is not debateable.

Inferno is town based on meta and his claim.

FF is leaning town, but I want him to contribute more so I can figure him out better. The Circus push on him also makes me think he is town.

JTB is scum, that is PoE.

Your Scum based on what I've said.

I thought Tery was scum, based on his last words I'm wrong.

WIFOM, all of it.

If you're not scum, then it's good game. I'll follow and we'll lose together.

I'm not scum.

I can prove my role at the very least tonight. So if you want to present why I am scum feel free.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Completely. Stances and reasons matter more than the fact that there is a vote where a vote is.

...

Yea, seriously WHY THE HELL ARE WE LISTENING TO HIM ANYMORE?


While I understand saying anything to prevent your lynch, this is just dumb.

So? I pushed for Raziek because I thought he could very easily be scum and his lynch was a much better alternative to my own.

Cool, so seriously... HE JUST ADMITTED SURVIVAL MENTALITY, as a VT you are expendable, what matters is catching scum, there is no reason to push an alternate wagon that simply COULD be scum simply because you didn't want to fight off a wagon against yourself as a VT. Even as a PR that behavior is scummy as hell.


No townie, not even a PR is justified in putting their own survival above basic scumhunting. You wanna survive, then scumhunt, and fight off the the cases that come up, period. Don't let off steam against you by attacking a random townie because he's easy to wagon.

No. It matches someone who wanted to know what the hell was going on with a random clear after having only skimmed a couple posts.

BAM! Plausible scenario to your WIFOM.

You just admitted to it above.

It's WIFOM, WIFOM
Gotta get high on WIIIIIIFOOOOOOM.
Gotta make my mind up, which role can I claaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiim?

It actually is a counter-argument as I stated multiple plausible scenarios that could explain how Circus could benefit from his behavior that do not involve me being scum. I am not saying your analysis isn't plausible, I'm saying that there is absolutely no way for you to tell if it is correct.

And I already explained why they WEREN'T plausable.

OS' case was insufficient.



You know what, this is really enough. The fact that he was willing to push a case on a null just so he wouldn't have to fight a wagon, and wasn't willing to even push somebody who was scummier because the target was too unpopular.


This isn't rocket science people, this are ****ing basic scum mentality tells here, there is no reason WHATSOEVER to keep him alive.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I will say again, you literally admitted the main point I was trying to prove, everything else is gravy. There is absolutely no reason for you as town to place such high priority on your survival that it's to the detriment of basic scumhunting, ESPECIALLY as a VT.


Anyone who doesn't support your death right now needs to be slapped upside the head.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Um, actually Adumb, that's more or less what I did to GLG towards the end of D1 in Fire Emblem mafia. I had him as null there towards the end, but at that point it was either me or him, and I knew I was town (though granted, I was a PR as well), so I kept pushing. That doesn't make it good or townie play, but it does happen.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Decision will be made at 3:00PM EST. Ryker vs. Adumb / Red Ryu is dumb. FrozenFlame and JTB being inactive is dumb. Red Ryu vs. JTB execution is dumb. ******* thinking I'm somehow Mafia is dumb. People not posting on hydras is dumb.

I'm dumb.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Um, actually Adumb, that's more or less what I did to GLG towards the end of D1 in Fire Emblem mafia. I had him as null there towards the end, but at that point it was either me or him, and I knew I was town (though granted, I was a PR as well), so I kept pushing. That doesn't make it good or townie play, but it does happen.

That's a compromise lynch at the end of the day.

He forced a case at the beginning of the day because a lot of people said they didn't like him, before there was even a wagon against him.


The former is you compromising because you're forced to compromise, the latter is ducking under the radar because you're scummy and don't wanna actually DO anything.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Hm.

@Ryker
Once and for all, what were your scum reads at that point in time?

 

[Inferno3044]

I agree that it feels like Ryker is really trying to do whatever he can to survive. As a VT, it's completely necessary. I also agree that his flip will show us the most information.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I agree that it feels like Ryker is really trying to do whatever he can to survive. As a VT, it's completely necessary. I also agree that his flip will show us the most information.

As town anyone would, but the fact he is pushing other people just because it's not himself is anti-town.

He tried to avoid the wagon altogether and tried to start an alternative one to get it off himself.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I agree that it feels like Ryker is really trying to do whatever he can to survive. As a VT, it's completely necessary. I also agree that his flip will show us the most information.

You mean "unnecessary" correctly?


Yes, survival is important for town, one should not go quietly into the night, but no townie is important enough to completely destroy effective scumhunting, even a PR.


A town mentality is to concentrate on finding scum and pushing that, illustrating you're town via being pro-town to survive. A scum mentality is to distract people with getting somebody, anybody, to take the heat. That's what ryker illustrates.

 

[Inferno3044]

I did mean unnecessary.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Oh right I was supposed to decide an hour ago. Welp. I'm going to go side with Nicholas over Inferno in the end, while both of them are my good town reads.

Execute: Red Ryu

Now I can be finished with this game once and for all.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Inferno PICKED BOAT!


YOU CAN TELL NICH IS LEANING BOAT TOO!



WHAT THE F*** RE YOU DOING TERY?! CAN'T YOU READ?


First thing we're doing when the day begins is kill boat, period. End of story.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Welp I was town, Tery...seriously why?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Tery, have you been reading? I picked JTB/Boat, not Red Ryu! -.-

 

[adumbrodeus]

You know what, I'm through here, boat couldn't be more scum if he was TWIRLING A ****ING MUSTACHE IN OUR FACES WHILE LAUGHING MANIACALLY!


It's time to replace out, I'm sure gheb is gonna be just as pissed about what you guys did as I am and will join me, this town isn't worth saving.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Adumb this town needs you. Don't replace out. -.-

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Tery, have you been reading? I picked JTB/Boat, not Red Ryu! -.-

You listed all three, WTF.

 

[adumbrodeus]

They won't listen to me, they're gonna let boat lynch nich in lylo at this point, that's how far gone they are.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

They won't listen to me, they're gonna let boat lynch nich in lylo at this point, that's how far gone they are.

If they both flip town they better, don't replace out, DO NOT.

Tery decided to shoot me, despite everyone saying not to shoot me. Right...

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Yeah I seriously don't understand why RR over JTB and Boat.

I made my preference pretty explicit in what few posts I've made.

Like I seriously don't get why you would pick RR. Even if you were unsure of who exactly was scummy you could have at least executed someone more people wanted to see flip to generate the most information for us going into tomorrow.

Like damn dude, what were you thinking.... =/

Salty replace outs are salty and lame and dumb n stuff. No ragequitting. Or ur lame.

I still stand by that if we get rid of JTB/Boat/RR we should be in the clear, though getting rid of RR first wasn't anywhere close to ideal.

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