Megaman Unlimited Mafia - Day 6 begins! No one killed!

[Jdietz43]

(I'm honestly just impressed he has THIS MANY Sly Cooper images and gifs to use, restriction or no)

 

[Kantrip]

...

I think this means my life is literally in Yolo's hands this game every even day


God have mercy on my soul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS9otcbp3tI#t=19


Reading now

Well I didn't think mine would be a problem until Yolo claimed the second half of his role :U

Ryu jester claim, you heard it here first folks!

(I'm honestly just impressed he has THIS MANY Sly Cooper images and gifs to use, restriction or no)

I sincerely hope this isn't you getting into the game. You made a post to tell us you were reading up and then none of your posts actually had substance. Could you please comment on some relevant stuff? I'd appreciate it, thanks.

 

[Jdietz43]

I'm still reading Kant. I'm allowed to have fun while I do I'd hope

(it took ALL my self control not to start making Lassie jokes not but 30 seconds ago when Ryu posted the sleeping fox picture)

 

[YOLOSWAG]

i fully expect jd to vote everyone i do or else im vigging his ass mercilessly

lol this just a quickhit from work ill read this **** later

 

[Kantrip]

I'm still reading Kant. I'm allowed to have fun while I do I'd hope

(it took ALL my self control not to start making Lassie jokes not but 30 seconds ago when Ryu posted the sleeping fox picture)

Okay sorry I thought you were done because it had been half an hour since you made a post. I guess not everyone reads as fast as me and I was only perturbed because you made only joke posts. Nothing wrong with them, I just need a balance with content as well. Carry on.

 

[Jdietz43]

Naw dawg it's fine, I just cracked wise and stopped to eat dinner for awhile. I'm caught up now though.


I'm actually going to play devil's advocate here and say I dislike Kant's side of Kant vs PJB. It felt like he was reaching hard to incriminate PJB on a claimed tone he had that I don't really feel like PJB had at the time he posted.

Take a break, man. You sound awful tense.

Do you not think I'm scum for misrepresenting your opinions? I'm awfully sorry for interpreting all your posts incorrectly but you really gotta be more clear man. When you treat someone like the scum of the earth, usually that implies you think they're the scum of the earth. Or, at the very least, scum.

^This kind of stuff makes me feel like you're trying way too hard to paint someone right away.

For me at least it was clear the very first time PJB posted that he was talking about Kant potentially knowing Raziek is town because all scum should know who isn't scum with them, but he twisted it to make the opinion into "Kant and Raziek are scum together" and pursued it right away.

Ahhh I see! I was misunderstanding the doesn't as some sort of double negative to mean you were saying we were scum together! That makes more sense, thanks.

That said, after the confusion is cleared up you have added a lot of unsavoury responses to the pot that make me want to stay on you.

^Obvi we can't really know if this is a legit realization of intent or not, but either way I find it weird that Kant is still on PJB after having that realization. It explains why could have been interpreted as annoyed with Kant

Vote: Potassium


Dislike Badwolf riding Kant's jock too, but that's for another time and maybe not alignment telling over just disagreeable play

No you're scum hoping to blindside town by publicly lying about your doublevoting status on even Days making it to lylo and alphaing on an even Day making everyone in thread go "damn we shoulda made em try to vote on even Days like gorf mentioned."

I agree with at least having him try to vote someone on an even day. We lose nothing if the vote simply doesn't come out, and we know the second part is fake if the vote registers so we aren't taken by surprise.

 

[Kantrip]

Dietz do you think it's fair if I tell you there isn't much to go on and I agree that some of the stuff I said on Joker initially was very reachy (although I did actually misunderstand what he said as well)? I'm still on him because his reaction to pressure was very defensive over a misunderstanding which he jumped on as calling me a bad player and saying I was trying to misrepresent his intentions. This looks like someone with a guilty conscience over someone actually considering the possibility of
1. pressure
2. a misunderstanding
Joker didn't consider either of these which is what I don't like. Everything prior to his response is reachy, I mean look at when I laid out points for why his original post I disliked was bad. I intentionally bulked that up with points that weren't even on-topic or relevant. I think my intent was pretty clear there.

 

[Jdietz43]

I just did. You didn't vote but you jumped on him with words. The first post I quoted.

Again I'm going to say, why are you getting so defensive at me? This is early D1, no need to pull out the insults and retorts. Stay calm, man.

By being offensive....

(This is what I mean by jock riding. I don't think what PJB posted was bad, but Badwolf is willing to jump right in and echo Kant. Dumb vs scum notwithstanding if Kant ended up being scum I'd bet a shiny silver dollar Badwolf is flubbing being his partner by immediately backing him up until Kant has to actually tell him to back off in thread right after)

And when I actually ask you for some simple input is when you choose to leave?

i dont wanna be a dentist but errday i be pullin teeth

I don't think that this is the way a town player would respond to this pretty straightforward interaction, this feels like such an act to me.

 

[Kantrip]

Dietz I think calling Badwolf my scummate off of buddying me and sheeping me in the Joker interaction is pretty shallow. No one is going to obviously back up their mate like that. I did think he should stop and asked him such, but calling us scum together off of that? Do you really believe that or are you trying to get reactions?

 

[Kantrip]

In other words this is your chance to say you just want to see what kind of reactions you get by supporting Joker. Otherwise I don't like your posts at all, think you're chainsaw defending Joker, and think you are scum.

 

[Jdietz43]

Dietz do you think it's fair if I tell you there isn't much to go on and I agree that some of the stuff I said on Joker initially was very reachy (although I did actually misunderstand what he said as well)? I'm still on him because his reaction to pressure was very defensive over a misunderstanding which he jumped on as calling me a bad player and saying I was trying to misrepresent his intentions. This looks like someone with a guilty conscience over someone actually considering the possibility of
1. pressure
2. a misunderstanding
Joker didn't consider either of these which is what I don't like. Everything prior to his response is reachy, I mean look at when I laid out points for why his original post I disliked was bad. I intentionally bulked that up with points that weren't even on-topic or relevant. I think my intent was pretty clear there.

I think it's fair that there wasn't much to go on but my vote will stay here. I can't know for sure whether you did or didn't think it, but at the very least I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of events if you're legit. He may actually be scum, I don't know, but the way you went for it makes me feel weird.

Dietz I think calling Badwolf my scummate off of buddying me and sheeping me in the Joker interaction is pretty shallow. No one is going to obviously back up their mate like that. I did think he should stop and asked him such, but calling us scum together off of that? Do you really believe that or are you trying to get reactions?

If I was, you just ruined it so... too late lol

 

[Jdietz43]

In other words this is your chance to say you just want to see what kind of reactions you get by supporting Joker. Otherwise I don't like your posts at all, think you're chainsaw defending Joker, and think you are scum.

No I'm dead serious when I say I suspect you more than Joker right now.

People can disagree with you without being scum, and I think that's one thing your scum meta will probably never quite understand if what I think is happening is happening right now.

 

[Kantrip]

If you were going for reactions, my reaction was probably one that was most valuable to you and I gave it. It's fair if you don't like how I went about pressuring Joker, but I find it hard to believe you can't appreciate that I'm trying to get reads. Do you think I'm pushing a scum agenda to get Joker lynched, or what is my scum intent in this push early D1?

 

[Kantrip]

No I'm dead serious when I say I suspect you more than Joker right now.

People can disagree with you without being scum, and I think that's one thing your scum meta will probably never quite understand if what I think is happening is happening right now.

Oh people can disagree with me for sure, and I like trying to see their point of view as well. I just can't see yours unfortunately, and I'm trying to see it but you're not cooperating with me.

 

[Jdietz43]

If you were going for reactions, my reaction was probably one that was most valuable to you and I gave it. It's fair if you don't like how I went about pressuring Joker, but I find it hard to believe you can't appreciate that I'm trying to get reads. Do you think I'm pushing a scum agenda to get Joker lynched, or what is my scum intent in this push early D1?

Correct. You saw your opportunity and took it fmpov.

Oh people can disagree with me for sure, and I like trying to see their point of view as well. I just can't see yours unfortunately, and I'm trying to see it but you're not cooperating with me.

See but this is what you were doing to Joker that I disagreed with. You're going to overly long pains to make it seem like people aren't working with you when they're just answering your questions straight. There's merit in looking for reactions, but there's no reason to play the "woe is me" game while doing it if you weren't looking for extra support, you feel me? *yolo face here* I don't see what the need to be dramatic is if you're just looking for responses

 

[Kantrip]

So you think I'm trying to get Joker lynched off of this already?

I disagree with saying I'm play any sort of "woe is me" game. I'm just trying to be polite because I'm usually pretty rude, and now I'm realizing how uncooperative people can be when none of us have any reason to believe each other are scum yet and town is going to win by being nice to each other and cooperating.

Anyways, I've had a lot of thread time and think other people need to shine, I'll let more weigh in on my interactions with Joker and Dietz and hang back until I see more stuff worth commenting on.

 

[Jdietz43]

So you think I'm trying to get Joker lynched off of this already?
.

... Honestly yes at first but the more I argue about it the dumber a scum plan for Kantscum to go for it seems. I'm going to go re-read the interactions...

 

[Jdietz43]

Okay I definitely missed that line where he called you bad at the game when he first came in to respond, that explains "offensive". I honestly thought you were trying to ruffle his feathers on purpose in your responseswithout having it been warranted in a "why u mad tho" sort of troll way.

Vote: PJB

I'll help you out here

 

[Jdietz43]

(God I just love to come into thread and shove my foot right in my mouth.

Goes alllll the way in there doesn't it?)

tl;dr PJB started it, not Kant; I was wrong

 

[YOLOSWAG]

looks like this game sure has been on a...

potato diet

 

[Rajam]

Like
raz

Meh
yolo

OH ****ing hell
Joker

Raz is cool, Joker as always can go die, YOLO's name and role piss me off to no extent as well as the way he revealed them.

Feeling happy with this wanna-be contribution?

 

[Rajam]

Ryu's restriction is incredibly irritating if it's true. If not and he's trolling us, it'd be nice if he decides to stop soon.

Assuming the restriction is true, are you allowed to use pics with words in them? If so, please post one.

@Badwolf
Any particular reason you like Raziek? Seems just kind of randomly thrown out there in your post.

@ Raziek
Do you feel like Kantrip or Badwolf's posts are "off", or do you consider it general RVS discussion?

@Kantrip push
Rake's case seems interesting. I'm not going to put down my vote due to my restriction (can't change it once I vote), but I'd like to see Kantrip's reply.

@Raziek¿?¿?

Light green part: Where are those FoS you said you'd use?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Feeling happy with this wanna-be contribution?

Not sure why you're bringing this up.... but you missed most of the post.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Who wants to bet on how far Rajam gets THIS time during his catch up!

I'm going with... page 5.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Trying to get reads this game is frustrating me to no end. It feels like there's an alarmingly low amount of actual content for a good 9 pages of discussion.

Also, that moment when you start writing out a list of opinions you want to see from people… and then realize it's actually mostly repeats of what you asked in your last post. So instead, I'm just going to keep the new ones and quote the relevant post to keep it from being lost in the shuffle.

Alright, quick catch up post before I'm gone for the day…

@ Raziek
In general, do you support the idea of pressure-voting on a less-than-legitimate wagon for reads in early D1?

@Rake/Laundry
I want your thoughts on Kantrip's case on Joker. How does it reflect on Kantrip, and do you believe Joker's scum?

@Joker
How do you feel about Raziek's defense of Kantrip? You implied you thought it was wrong, but IIRC you didn't post your opinion of Raziek. Do you think Kantrip's scummy for his case on you?



Do you agree that the bold comes off as being defensive?

One more question for you, do you have any reads of note outside of Kantrip/Raziek?


@ Rajam
Can you please just put all your thoughts into one post? Or at the least a smaller number of big posts? At the current rate you're going to fill up a page and a half with nothing but one-liners, and that's going to be irritating when people inevitably have to reread.

@YOLO, Raziek, Xatres, Circus
I want you guys to weigh in on Joker vs Kantrip, as well as Jditz vs Kantrip.

 

[Rajam]

@Badwolf
Any particular reason you like Raziek? Seems just kind of randomly thrown out there in your post.

Oh yeah I meant to quote the post but I kinda forgot... One sec

Revealing the double-vote immediately is in itself a pro-town action, if it is compulsory. Telling us now is good for the Town. It removes has ability to surprise-hammer at any point. However, I would expect him to do it as scum as well. Null overall, since while the ACTION is pro-Town, it does not reflect on his alignment significantly.

It's not quite in line with my thinking but he makes it sound so.... true. He's clearly thinking and I like that, but I would like him to be thinking more in line with my ideas....

First, the analysis done here is safe to do as any alignment specially because the final conclusion is a null read. Second, I find it odd that you like Raziek based on a thought that's not much aligned with yours. Last line is really wishy-washy too.

What about the way yolo revealed his role bothers you?

It's.... opportunistic almost. It has a way of early game startling. I don't like it cause it was really fast and really unnecessary.

mmmm... no. This is not sufficient imo. Explain yourself better both in your feelings of "opportunistic" and "unnecessary".

 

[Rajam]

@Nich: Sorry but no. I'd rather post asap when something catches my eye instead of waiting to gather more stuff to condense it all in one post, which at the end looks wallier and inherently makes people less prone to read in detail.

 

[Kantrip]

What I will recommend is that you use FoS instead of Vote when catching up so you don't accidentally hammer someone one time or something.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

First, the analysis done here is safe to do as any alignment specially because the final conclusion is a null read. Second, I find it odd that you like Raziek based on a thought that's not much aligned with yours. Last line is really wishy-washy too.

mmmm... no. This is not sufficient imo. Explain yourself better both in your feelings of "opportunistic" and "unnecessary".

@Bolded: Why should I care about what you read it as? If you're not saying your read in this then I'm confused as to what is that or why you're telling me how to read people.

@Italics: I'm not saying that I liked the idea rather the thought behind it. He's not posting things to be buddy with people, rather get his idea out there.

@Underlined: IMO it's a fear tactic, he's a strong PR in this game and we shouldn't piss him off. It's opportunistic because we're just coming out of the gate and he hits us with something like this, not very towny imo. Unnecessary because he could have said "Hey guys I'm a doublevoter", and if anyone disbelieves him THEN vote and prove it.

 

[Rajam]

Raz that's a stretch. Sure it's an OS game and YA NEVER KNOW, but why would somebody with that information crumb/out it so quickly like that? When I read him talking to you and him saying that I saw it as just him saying something that sounded funny. I don't think he ACTUALLY meant that he had information of you being a townie. It's like that stupid thing Rake does whenever he pulls the dongs of Dietz/Ruy and calls em town bros right off the bat in a game. I mean sure I can be wrong but I doubt I am.

Gorf town if Raziek & Kantree are both town. He'd be taking an immediate posture on an issue I think scum would be more speculative and wait for confirmation from Potasium

 

[Rajam]

What I will recommend is that you use FoS instead of Vote when catching up so you don't accidentally hammer someone one time or something.

You too should be more careful next time when scum k? I mean you slipped within the first 10 posts or so that's not very nice with the mod try to put more effort next time k?

 

[Kantrip]

Well that's rude.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

Vote: Potassium

Vote: PJB[/quote]no need to toss yur vote around like a...hot potato

 

[YOLOSWAG]

jokes ruined due to formatting gorfdammit

 

[Raziek]

Catching up to hit questions, but I won't have time to stick around for a direct back n' forth.

 

[Jdietz43]

@YOLO: Lol, actually I kind of feel like I do have to because of my restriction so I'm probably going to let em fly, that is unless someone wants to be the official "Dietz's unvote vote" holder so I don't die accidentally while unvoting

 

[Raziek]

Where do you suppose we look then?

This is a little late in being answered of course, but currently I think the Joker angle merits some pressure.

No Rake's case actually sucked and Raz actually felt like it'd do nothing but slow the game down, and honestly, even if Kantrip is scum, where the hell would that DAUNTING case go? Kantrip would probably say no you're wrong and move on with his life like any smart person when presented with a Rake case. Agreed on the latter doe.

*nod*

I mean, ****, in the first place why even out that? In the second place, what reason do you have to believe it? In the third place, are you really that dense or are you just trying that hard to derail Rake's ****?

I see no point in wasting time with a ****ty case. Derailing it got me plenty of information by seeing who tried to keep that doomed train on the tracks.

Why can't anyone ever solidly read me as town?

I'm actually leaning this way right now.

Very much agreeing with Kantrip's 291 on Joker.

How am i being opportunistic? I didn't start suspecting Raz, not even a little bit. Show me where I jumped on Raz.

Not only is this super defensive, but I'm also feeling quite the opposite. I felt rather "jumped on" in that sequence. Only disclaimer is that it wasn't just him, and I can understand why people were apprehensive at the idea of taking my "back off, he's town" at face value.

@ Raziek

can you explain this theory you had regarding *****s roles? that **** flew past my head and i dunno what the **** you were tryna say

Not sure what you mean, due to the asterisks. If it's why I thought Kantrip had information on me, it's better I not elaborate

Alright, quick catch up post before I'm gone for the day…

@ Raziek
In general, do you support the idea of pressure-voting on a less-than-legitimate wagon for reads in early D1?

Typically no. While it can be useful to draw out reactions, I find it all too easily can give enough flustered responses to be miscontrued and cobbled into a crappy D1 case on how someone is "floundering under pressure", whether they're scum or not. I moved to cockblock that crappy case not only because I THOUGHT Kantrip was crumbing, but also because Kantrip has been known to flounder under pressure as either alignment, and I'd prefer to read him through other means.

Elaborating further on that, seeing Kantrip's thought process as he read through my defense has given me a fairly strong Town read on him for now. The line of thought seemed totally natural and he was able to properly wrap his head around what I was thinking, rather than making opportunistic presses on it.

Gorf town if Raziek & Kantree are both town. He'd be taking an immediate posture on an issue I think scum would be more speculative and wait for confirmation from Potasium

Agree with this.

On DietzvPotassium, I thought Dietz's vote seemed misguided, and then he admitted that he misunderstood, so the interaction seems largely null to me. TvT if anything?

 

[Rajam]

Well that's rude.

What I will recommend is that you use FoS instead of Vote when catching up so you don't accidentally hammer someone one time or something.

Why are you warning me anyways? If I'm being reckless and voting without being current and aware of the votecount, then it's either fishy (scum) or dumb (town). The warning approach you take here means you're reading me more as dumb town, or else you'd ve taken a more offensive route. But then, it means you either know I'm town (and we all know what that implies...), because it'd be incredibly weird that you have a town read on me given that basically I started my posts' streak attacking you and haven't dropped since then.

 

[Circus]

Gonna need more than an angry face, babe. Give me a triptych on why you disagree.

You can always tell it's Washed when the art lingo comes out.

 

[Raziek]

Rajam, that line of thought is reachy as all ****.