MegaMafia | Day 4 - Mafia wins!

[#HBC | marshy]

how is that supporting an ee lynch? it seems clear that i thought he'd drop out which is not synonymous with wanting to lynch him

 

[mentosman8]

Rockin: A mass nameclaim today is not in our best interests. We still have a mislynch, and as we can see from what has died so far, roles seem to be intrinsically tied to the character. If we name-claim now, even if it nets a scum, we give the mafia a good idea on who may be what role, and hence a strong chance of them picking a strong PR for their kill.

 

[Rockin]

how is that supporting an ee lynch? it seems clear that i thought he'd drop out which is not synonymous with wanting to lynch him

I was reffering to the 2nd paragraph. Sorry that I didn't cut off the 1st one ><;;

Rockin: A mass nameclaim today is not in our best interests. We still have a mislynch, and as we can see from what has died so far, roles seem to be intrinsically tied to the character. If we name-claim now, even if it nets a scum, we give the mafia a good idea on who may be what role, and hence a strong chance of them picking a strong PR for their kill.

Well if we do it D4, it still wouldn't help us because from that point, Mafia will just have a legitimate character/role to fake claim in. At this point, we might lose just one powerful role (I mean, we lost search man, Grenade man (no thanks to dummy, aka Iggy), and Flash Man). Mega Man and his other mafs have 1 of those three powers. Why give him a chance to get possibly 2?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

nvm,

i was quick to defend myself cuz marshy thought i was scum yesterday.

i mean, there wasn't much other than the iggy lynch happening yesterday. and i thought he was scum. i clearly was wrong. guess that was dumb. anyways, I think we have a good chance of winning this game so don't lose interest.

 

[mentosman8]

@Rockin again: The ability of mafia to fake claim won't change much by tomorrow. For all we know they have safe-claims, which would mean that it wouldn't help us at all and would only help maf. Even if they don't have safe-claims, with the shear number of master robots in the megaman series, chances are there wouldn't be any counter-claiming, and since all the master robots are equally important to their games, chances are we wouldn't be able to pick out the fake ones. A nameclaim definitely doesn't have enough of an upside to do today over tomorrow potentially at lylo when we need every bit we can get, and when we may need to do a mass role-claim anyway. Long story short, there is no guaranteed benefit to a nameclaim, and with a ml remaining there is no reason to give the mafia more information than we need to.

 

[Evil Eye]

Sup guys. I fell asleep at 3am while studying for an exam. No johns, though. I'm going to post on this Day's discussion right after I make this placeholder, since there has been some good substantial stuff, then I'll study/eat/play Mirror's Edge and (for real this time) make that post before bed.

 

[Rockin]

@Rockin again: The ability of mafia to fake claim won't change much by tomorrow. For all we know they have safe-claims, which would mean that it wouldn't help us at all and would only help maf. Even if they don't have safe-claims, with the shear number of master robots in the megaman series, chances are there wouldn't be any counter-claiming, and since all the master robots are equally important to their games, chances are we wouldn't be able to pick out the fake ones. A nameclaim definitely doesn't have enough of an upside to do today over tomorrow potentially at lylo when we need every bit we can get, and when we may need to do a mass role-claim anyway. Long story short, there is no guaranteed benefit to a nameclaim, and with a ml remaining there is no reason to give the mafia more information than we need to.

Ugh, first of all, what kind of safe-claim can be used in this Mafia game? Why do several of ya keep saying this? There is none. We're Master Robots. We, the townies, are after Mega Man and allies, the Mafia. I don't see how there can be a safe claim AT ALL. What kind of safe claim even exist in a situation where townies are the Master Robots and Mega Man is the mafia? We had a issue of this in D1 where we questioned Grenade Man (Masterwarlord/Iggy). At first, most of us thought he was indie/maf cause of the flavor, but it turns out he was neither when we lynched him in D2. If anyone can give me one, then I'll hold back. Otherwise, everyone is just being scared of possibly being a target.

Second of all, yes, I know there is many master robots to try and FAKE-CLAIM in the Mega Man Universe. Even if they ranged from Mega Man 1-9, that's still a lot of robots. However, if we really look at each of the claims carefully, we may find maybe one or two that doesn't belong within the group.

If we nameclaim now, at least we'll have something to carry over for D4 instead of just names. If we don't, then Mafia will just find suitable nameclaims and roleclaims to go along with it and it'll be game over.

I rather we nameclaim right now in D3 while we still can.

 

[mentosman8]

Rockin: You ask what safe claims could be used, then admit that there are plenty of master robots in the series that would not be used taking only 8. If mafia is remotely smart, they started thinking up name-claims long ago if Scav didn't give them claims, and one more day isn't going to effect that. Yes, MegaMan/probably allies are the mafia, but how does that effect the ability to safe-claim? In DinoMafia there was a clear distinction between town/maf, and they could still safe-claim. In HP same thing. Where do you get the idea that just because we're Master Robots and the maf aren't means they can't claim a character not actually used?

And you say if we name-claim now, we have something to carry over to D4 other than names? What does that even mean? It's not like we get more information out of a name-claim today than we do tomorrow, we'll get the same stuff regardless. If we do it now, we give the mafia relatively solid chance at prioritizing targets, and we're in a situation where if we lynch wrong it doesn't doom us. However, if we wait until tomorrow when we HAVE to be right(assuming the worst), we're in a situation where it logically makes sense to give the mafia that information because we need all we can work with and if we're wrong it's over anyway.

I just don't understand how you seem to think that a name-claim is so useful today, but not useful tomorrow. If it's going to be useful today, we'll get the same thing out of it tomorrow, only it could be in a case where we actually need that information to help us. Personally, I don't think we should consider name-claiming until we're at mylo or lylo, because anything before that we're giving the mafia information before we need it ourselves.

 

[Evil Eye]

Just a linear tapestry of my thoughts on toDay's discussions:

I told you marshy.

vote: hando

we have another mislynch now, lets not use it on me k?

Did this make anyone else **** an eyebrow? In rapid succession, Mac fires off an I-told-you-so to Marshy, votes for Marshy's favorites suspect, and then says "don't lynch me" in an authoritative manner. It comes across as nestling with Marshy, doesn't it?

It's a null tell in that either of them could be any allignment in the context of what I've just noted, but I think it does indicate Mac was up to somethin'.

So I personally think that the person that has a roleblocking ability (or anyone with a similar insight) should claim and claim who they roleblocked because it was probably the mafia leader.

Also, who is voteblocked today?

1) I don't know of mafia as susceptible to being roleblocked out of its kill, and furthermore there have been no prior claims to being roleblocked, so that comes across to me as very subtle doc-fishing. And to the latter point I have but one thing to say: Are you out of your ****ing mind?

And I'll defuse a possible rebuttal before you make it: If we were somehow at risk of lynching the Doc, let's not forget it's traditional mafia practice to do a full claim when the deadline is approaching and you're in the chair, so that's a nonfactor. FoS

2) Who was voteblocked? Still waiting on that one.

Also, if EvilEye doesn't speak up today, I think we should strongly consider lynching him.

What do people think about a full roleclaim?

Me too he's been coasting for too l--oh wait.

Full roleclaim is a big no, Mac. Somehow we've earned a fresh mislynch. Let's not set up a shooting gallery before we have to, okay? Let's not forget that when somebody claims a power, they not only put it out there for mafia to determine what assets they want to strip from town, but which ones they want to turn right back against the town.

I'm not into a full roleclaim cause we'll quickly get picked off one by one by Mafs. I rather we do a nameclaim. It'll be easier to track down Mafs IMO.

...Rockin, what the hell.

We're still going to be picked off one by one by the mafia. What point are you making? They don't wait for permission to via claiming to do so.

No time for much, but agree with Hando... The way the games appeared so far, names and roles are definitely related, and since we still have a ml it doesn't seem entirely worth giving the mafia that much of a hint. I think we're best served saving it till lylo tomorrow.

I agree with this, mentos. So long as town has a mislynch, it should use the weapons of discussion and said ML. Going for any sort of claiming before necessary, in my opinion, only relinquishes more information to the megamafia by which to sort out their kills, other night abilities, and any night abilities they have gained since the beginning.

I wonder if mafia has safe name claims.

(That's from Mac) Hmmm. It's a possibility to consider. But with nine megaman games, eight of which have eight robot masters, I am inclined to think that he didn't. Scav has implied he wants to encourage savviness and calculative thinking, so he could well expect the megamafia to find their own claims and choose wisely. With that said, his being anti-bingonightaction could imply him being anti-bingoclaiming, too. And thus, he may have provided them. Personally, I don't think he would have, but it's pretty much up in the air.

I wouldn't want to risk it, but it seems like something we might need to do.

I'd rather not at all, but ****, unless we hit scum today we might have to.

(/Chaco) I'm confused, here. Do you support claiming toDay, or not? This reply here could go both ways.

If someone makes a bisexuality joke I'm going to pistolwhip them.

What about Hando or EE? I'm also starting to come around to smashy

Explain why you are coming around to a smashy lynch, Mac. Don't just proxy off your opinion.

EE, Lurkers get lynched. I hate policy, but he hasn't brought **** since mid-D1.

That's kind of a misrepresentation, Chaco. I recall being active right to near the end of Day 1, and I expressed opinions and suggested being careful with voting because of the Timekeeper power mafia stole on Day 2 before I did my best Batman impression.

If you were still gunning for me I'd be calling shenanigans, but I assume it's just been so long since you've seen me around here you don't have your facts straight on me anymore, which is understandable. All the same, I felt inclined to respond to this statement.

How scummy do you think the people on the iggy vote are? Does it make you more suspicious of them? I just realized, that in order to have a more successful lynch, there needs to be more then 1 potential lynch candidate. Because had there been someone else yesterday competing with iggy in votes, more than 4 people would have had their vote on someone, and we'd be able to see who people chose. Not allowng mafia to just sit back.

I'll sit on the former point until I've reread the thread, especially Day 2. But I will say that I agree with your latter point to some extent, Macman. More than one lynch candidate is beneficial in that it gives you an extra inclination, especially with swingvoters. That said, swingvoting and the fact that Megaman stole the Timekeeper's abilities scares the **** out of me. I say this in addition to the fact that in some BRoom games we have tried to employ "You could have voted for ____ but instead voted for ____/didn't vote/whatever! You could have saved ____!" lines of logic. It did not end well.

So while I agree with your rationale, in practicality I worry that the potential yield of information doesn't outweigh the worry of swingvoting and whatever it is the Timekeeper can do now that his power is in Megaman's hands.

At this point, I don't know if sacrificing doc for scum would be good. That's something I do not want to do unless necessary.

Here's my list of people who can die:
Wiki
Smash
Possibly Hando
And EE

We knock people off of that list with doc claim and save and it could help. I guess. I really don't wanna do it yet.

I have a few problems with this post, Chaco.

1) Having the Doc claim -- assuming doc save is what transpired -- is not the doc sacrificing himself to hit scum. A doc is not a cop. They don't know who made the attempt that they foiled. In fact, I believe they only know that they may have foiled an attempt. I have never played a doc, but I don't think they're informed that they save someone formally.

With that said, I do agree that doc should not claim unless necessary, because we're on D3 with no scum down, and thus a doc is going to become a real weapon as this game continues forward. A weapon I'd rather keep alive, and on our side.

2) Mind restating your cases against your scumlist? Or are you still ruminating which ones you feel are worth pursuing? Personally I've never cared for just a list of "people who can die", but many players are wont to do that, so I can't twist your arm on that one.

3) "We knock people off of that list with doc claim and save and it could help". Um, no we don't. What if the doc saved you? You're not on the list. What if the doc isn't on the list? What if neither of them are? What if your list is fallible (and there's a good chance it is)? This point made no sense to me whatsoever.

Pretty similar to my list actually, though in like reverse and Hando being on top.

State your cases, Mac, if you got 'em.

Oh that's very true. I'm not sure why I assumed it would be a roleblocking ability. It was actually a lot more likely to be a doc save. In this case the doc shouldn't claim. Sorry about the confusion.

Hand in the cookie jar, Wiki...?


Smashy also posts a die-list. Cases are nice.

I highly doubt it. Again, as the OP said, there is 8 robot townies, 3 mafia (one of the three is Mega Man), and 1 indie. I said this in page 2, but anything that isn't a master robot should be lynched.

(/Rockin in response to mafia having safeclaims) Um, a safeclaim means that they're given a false role and identity to use in the event of a nameclaim. Hence, "safe" claim.




General Subjects of Discussion:

To no one in particular but on the subject of the lack of a kill:

I think a bulletproof bot is just as likely as a doc save, in this game. Scav said we all have some nightjuice... not that it would have to be externally implemented.

On a fake-doc claim, well, high risk yields high reward. It's a possibility. It is not a great possibility, but it exists. It's all about how ballsy the mafia is, and what they've managed to learn through any night abilities they may have or any PR-hunting they've done throughout the day. Would they? The short and infuriatingly nonpolarized answer is "they might".


On nameclaiming:

I think that's a mistake. Flash Man was a Timekeeper. Grenade Man... threw grenades.

It's clear that how people exercise their powers, and to some extent what they are, is directly tethered to the character they play. Thus I use the shooting gallery analogy, because mafia will have a more than decent guess as to what you are capable of (and thus, what they would be capable if they killed you).

Granted some are a bit weird (grenades that create posting restrictions, robots flying through the air stealing your vote), but luckily for the mafia, people have been mentioning these things in the thread; thus mafia has even more information to use in the event of a nameclaim. See what I'm getting at, here?

Roleclaim and nameclaim are not the same thing, but in this game, a nameclaim is almost as dangerous as roleclaim. Enough to make it not worth it, I think, when a mislynch is available.

Rockin's points on this matter are stupid as all hell. Claiming now simply gives the mafia more information by which to choose their N3 kill. Why do that? How does that benefit us? If we save the claim until necessary, we force the mafia to operate on the minimal possible amount of information, and thus not as efficiently as they could be.

No claim will stand out unless there is a cc, so long as it is well thought out. Period. When there are 68 Robot Masters to choose from, that leaves sixty fakeclaims the mafia can make with impunity. Think for a second. Sixty fake claims. Do you really tink you're going to catch anyone on name and luck alone with those numbers? Use your head.

Hmmm. Twenty to eight, and I haven't studied yet. I might have to hold off a bit on the power-read after all. However I'll keep up with any discussion we have in the meantime, and think I've made some worthy points in this post.

 

[Rockin]

Rockin: You ask what safe claims could be used, then admit that there are plenty of master robots in the series that would not be used taking only 8. If mafia is remotely smart, they started thinking up name-claims long ago if Scav didn't give them claims, and one more day isn't going to effect that. Yes, MegaMan/probably allies are the mafia, but how does that effect the ability to safe-claim? In DinoMafia there was a clear distinction between town/maf, and they could still safe-claim. In HP same thing. Where do you get the idea that just because we're Master Robots and the maf aren't means they can't claim a character not actually used?

Before I begin my point, let me make sure you understand my mindset of what a safe claim is. A safe claim is a type of claim a mafia gets that nullifies nameclaims of the sort, correct? Like say...Peach (Milkyway Mafia), who was a godmother. She is usually considered a good guy, but I made her a mafia for reasons. Thus she becomes a 'safeclaim' (even though her intentions of constantly sending Mario to go save her is evil enough XD)

Just because you pick out some claims for yourself doesn't garantee you they will be used. I've seen/experianced times when maf picks a fake claim from D1 and then quickly have to switch for a new one cause that said person already has that name (or they get CCed). In Dinomafia, you get that Marshy led off that nameclaim pretty **** quick in D1 (granted, I was skeptical and even refused to do it at one point lol). In that game, there were some possible safe claims cause it was so general, but then again, that gene thing Marshy pointed out really helped narrowed down who was who. HP Mafia (god, so many games I've been used this in their case. A lot of unnatural **** must've went down in that game LOL) I can't comment cause I've yet to really be in that game.

That's the thing. They can try and fake claim, but if we look at each of them correctly, we may can spot out the mafs.

And you say if we name-claim now, we have something to carry over to D4 other than names? What does that even mean? It's not like we get more information out of a name-claim today than we do tomorrow, we'll get the same stuff regardless. If we do it now, we give the mafia relatively solid chance at prioritizing targets, and we're in a situation where if we lynch wrong it doesn't doom us. However, if we wait until tomorrow when we HAVE to be right(assuming the worst), we're in a situation where it logically makes sense to give the mafia that information because we need all we can work with and if we're wrong it's over anyway.

Well yeah. I'm just saying that if D4 comes and we're in a lylo situation, it'd be less benificial to nameclaim/roleclaim. Maf would have a more solid claim to have. Not to mention what role to pick. I just don't want to look at the fact of D4 where Maf would have a total idea of who to nameclaim as well as roleclaim. If you say D3 isn't a good time, then I don't see how D4 would be anymore benificial.

I just don't understand how you seem to think that a name-claim is so useful today, but not useful tomorrow. If it's going to be useful today, we'll get the same thing out of it tomorrow, only it could be in a case where we actually need that information to help us. Personally, I don't think we should consider name-claiming until we're at mylo or lylo, because anything before that we're giving the mafia information before we need it ourselves.

Arn't we at at a mylo/lylo situation already? Had we gotten a kill now that wasn't an indie, we'd be at lylo now. And right now, we're at a situation where we can do another mylo.

 

[mentosman8]

No, if we had a kill last night we would have been at mylo, as it stands, we have one ml remaining. And, a safeclaim is any claim given by the mod to allow mafia to not be killed by claiming. In your game, it was the mafia being characters expected to be town. In some games, such as HP maf, the characters of the maf are one thing, but the mod gives the mafia a "This name/role isn't in the game" so they have something from the time they get their role to stop bingo claiming. In this game, the latter would likely be given if any, and the chance of it being there is high enough I wouldn't want to risk it. Especially considering Scav was part of Batmafia where the entire maf was pretty much outted during the nameclaim and he has seen how damaging it could be.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think that if a bp was hit, that they should claim.

 

[smashman90]

My internet went down for a long time, expect a post either later today or sometime tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

When reading through this, I urge people to click the blue arrow thing in the quotes and go to the source post and read that to see what people I quoted were responding to and all the context around their post.

D1 Endday stuff:

You are tunnel visioned because 99% of all your post have been directed toward the thought "LYNCH IGGY NOW". I still don't gather on how you think that this role is completley antitown. As said before, there was a town role in Spidermafia that restricted you to one post a day. Sometimes MODs make roles like that to make you think, not follow assumptions blindly. I don't know what to say about his alignment, but I will agree to some extent that lynching him will give us a good amount of info. I just don't know if it the right one atm.

This was in reference to me. Hando fence sitting on iggy’s lynch. Seems like h

My suspicions of IggyWarlord as the indy haven't swayed in the slightest from his claim. I never questioned his claim as Grenade Man, nor the ability implied therein. If anyone was suspicious of Warlord solely in the absence of a solid claim, then you were suspicious of him for all the wrong reasons.

From Iggy:

something iggy said


This is a post that really bothered me. Iggy, here, latches onto the naive common assumption among you that whatever indy (or scum) role he could possibly have would have to relate directly to his character/power. AKA flavor, the thing we've been trying to disregard.

Since I don't consider him very likely scum anymore, I won't continue to press that angle, but obviously his ability could be a scum ability as surely as anything else can -- in SWFMafia the tracker was a mafiat.

In the beginning of the post, EE says he is still suspicious of iggy and goes on to explain why. In the last sentence he says I don't consider him likely scum anymore. Sounds like a contradiction... but I'll go along with assumption that 'scum' referred to only mafia in this case, which will make more sense given the following quote from the same post. [am i the only one who considers any anti-town role scum?]

However, I still lean heavily on lyncher. And the only real counter-argument I've managed to glean from what's going on right now is that his claim being solid makes that unlikely... um, how? Scav said that every single one of us would have "a little juice", so a lyncher or other indy role is quite clearly going to have an ability on top of their win condition. It doesn't have to relate to their power at all. Moreover, giving someone a posting restriction is a power that could be useful to the lyncher because you can influence their posting style. Personally, I found that the claim of his ability and Warlord's targeting macman to stoke the flames, not pat them out. Have we forgotten already what Warlord did? He counterclaimed a posting restriction for the sole purpose of incriminating Macman, and he apparently put it on him in the first place. If that's not a specific targeting, I don't know what is, but it seems to have soared fifty feet over almost everyone's head.

Iggy knows what weak logic this is, and yet he's attaching himself to it because you guys have put that defence up for him. He did the same thing in Assassins in the Palace/Cult of Cthulhu, where I defended him against suspicion because he'd (supposedly) argued against the lynch of a very good player who was getting RL'd. That's the one thing I've managed to notice about antitown Iggy. He coasts and observes, and when he sees a line of thinking or logic that paints him in a favorable light, he slides into it ever so casually.

As for what we would learn by Iggy's lynch, I laid that out in my big post. People who flailed and amoeba'd about the subject of his lynch would be the ones of keenest interest if he were to flip town, which is still something I consider highly unlikely.

So clearly EE is for an iggy lynch. I think it’s odd that he points out that iggy probably isn’t mafia, but instead could be lyncher. Which is a good point, but saying this just makes it seem like when iggy did flip town, he could just go back and say he never thought iggy was mafia.

What I find more interesting is EE’s last sentence. If iggy does flip town, EE is FOSing all the people who were hesitant to lynch iggy. Which just happens to not include him since he was so set forth on the lynch. But if this was the case, now that we DID lynch iggy, why haven’t you brought up any cases against these people? Are they still suspicious to you? I was expecting you to go back and see what you could find from the before the iggy lynch and actually bring up actual cases worth something, but instead you post a general post that doesn’t really contain anything and asks for other people to explain their suspicions. Are you not suspicious of anyone?

Can someone tell me how giving someone a restriction hurts town?

Like, the only thing hurting us in this case is Macman is being tunnelvisioned. His Caps is not hurting us.

So unless there is something he isn't telling us, it isn't antitown at all.

Sounds to me like Hando doesn’t think iggy/warlords actions were anti town at all. Instead he continues to point out me being tunnelvisioned. Which just seems to be an attack on me for when iggy flips town. Earlier he agreed that “the iggy lynch would bring forth info, but that he doesn’t think it’s the right one atm”

To tell you the truth, I've been kind of the fence of that decision (Wiki vs Iggy lynch). I'm not entirely sure what I think is the best option. Rest assured I will come up with my decision by the deadline.

I think there are a few things (ie. Warlord's gutsy move) that point toward indy.

Somewhat what you said, Marshy

and because there has been so much discussion about him from nearly everyone (if not everyone) that we will be able to gauge stuff down the road.

Not all results are immediate.

By this point Hando has yet to vote iggy, clearly fence sitting. He even points this out himself. He has yet to vote by that point, but continues to give reasons as to why his vote could go on iggy despite him not thinking iggy is scum.

You will never find 100% of the information or connections immediately. It is an on going game. Stuff comes up.

We aren't the only ones who have been saying there is information to be found.



No, I feel he is most likely independent. Active does not mean you are town.

I remember seeing somewhere that someone said we are "wasting our mislynch on an indy". How is that a waste when we take out someone antitown? It's better to do it now than later when we need to lynch mafia.



Welcome to my world.

I urge you to go to the original post to see what Hando was responding to. The wasting a mislynch on an indy is in reference to iggy. He calls iggy anti town… funny seeing as how a quote of his from earlier in this post showed him saying that what iggy did was indeed not anti town. I smell a liar…

FINAL DAY 1 VOTE COUNT
Ignatius - 3 (Evil Eye, Handorin, Rockin)
No Lynch - 6 (Mentosman, Marshy, Chaco, Smashman, Macman, Omni)
Smashman - 1

Not voting: Ignatius, Wikipedia

D1 end vote count. Hando’s for iggy. During my reread starting from page 12, I didn’t even see where hando posted. Which is funny, I guess I missed it.

Also EE is on this vote count, and had not made a post between the day end and the one I quoted.

Iggy targeted hando d2. He found him suspicious.

Incoming Johns:

real life johns from EE on inactivity

Zero discussion about Omni for the kill choice? That's interesting.

stuff about omni’s role.

As for whom might have wanted Omni out of the picture... well, the kneejerk is to mention Marshy. Omni was the person riding Marshy's *** the hardest since he got in the game, and vice versa. However, I've seen mafia attempt to frame someone in this regard before (kill a false suspect's main attacker), so I'm not going to throw much weight behind it. All the same, Omni had basically nameclaimed. Killing someone else would have arguably been more logical just to have another cardflip outed.

Because of that, I'm going to throw most weight behind Omni's power itself -- I'm assuming scum figured out that he was a Timekeeper based on his failure to stop time, and killed him so they could get his power. As I mentioned, that would devastate us in a mylo situation, so that makes the most sense. For now, I'm not going to think too much of Omni's suspicions before he died.

@Macman: You restated your case against Iggy, and then you threw a vote at Wiki. What's you reason for this? You called yourself idiot town, but didn't take it down, so I assume you've got one, and it'd be dandy if you shared it with the rest of the class.

EE mentions marshy possibly being mafia that would want to kill omni, but then takes it back saying yhe doesn’t think that that’s what happened. Why bring it up in the first place. EE questions me.

Also I don’t really like to see extensive real life johns like EE has done multiple times. You shouldn’t have to prove to people that you were busy

I've actively been reading. I actually stepped back because I didn't want to interrupt this trifecta of Rockin, Wiki, and Chaco taking turns sinking their teeth into each other. It's been... interesting, to say the least.

I'm not sure how much of my hand I want to tip right now, but I will say that I don't think these arguments come across quite like TvT.

*continues to spectate*

heh.

Neither. He mentioned a lot of things in my private message to give me an idea what my restriction was. If I thought it would be risky to post something "shortened" then I typed it all out.

Oh, and since we are starting an Ignatius wagon and my suspicions have not been alleviated, I suppose I will go ahead and

Vote: Ignatius

Hando never previously mentioned any suspicions of iggy.

Vote: Ignatius

I wanted to lynch him yesterday, and it has not changed much. His reason for this restriction is rather bull crap as well.

Lol not sure why he voted twice. You barely wanted to lynch iggy yesterday, but looks like you’re pushing that lynch now.

D2 ends.

Ignatius - 3 (Macman, Handorin, Rockin)
Handorin - 1 (Marshy)

Not voting: Evil Eye, Mentosman, Wikipedia, Smashman, Ignatius, Chaco

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

EE hasn’t posted between the situation about him not wanting to get into the wiki/rockin/chaco squabble and the day ending.

Just noticed that Rockin was for iggy both days. Wasn’t too suspicious of rocking before but this is indeed something to pay attention to.

vote: hando
huge fos: ee

Pretty **** sure hando is scum, and EE is also looking like it.

EE, why have you been so unhelpful since day1? I’d like to hear what your suspicions are.

And sorry guys about my poor play earlier in the game, I have not made an attempt to actively scumhunt until now, I was indeed being tunnelvisioned. But that will change hopefully.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

yeah ee's last post was scummy as ****. pretty lame that he decided to target all the people who are actually playing

blah blah blah "safeclaim" is when blah blah blah

rockin let's just simplify this for everyone and agree that safeclaim is a claim that initially looks town

In Dinomafia, you get that Marshy led off that nameclaim pretty **** quick in D1 (granted, I was skeptical and even refused to do it at one point lol). In that game, there were some possible safe claims cause it was so general, but then again, that gene thing Marshy pointed out really helped narrowed down who was who.

no it didn't. the nameclaim discussion was awesome because it led to a lot of arguments right from the beginning of the game. that doesn't apply here

HP Mafia (god, so many games I've been used this in their case. A lot of unnatural **** must've went down in that game LOL) I can't comment cause I've yet to really be in that game.

you don't NEED to comment on that game. this is why i don't understand your play. it's like you argue and feel the need to comment on **** that doesn't matter or will net scumbags. mentos' point is that nameclaim helped screw town in hpmafia which is why town should be wary of it here. that's all. it's not like he's going to lie about something verifiable

no to nameclaim

hey mentos nice to see you dedicating all your d2 posts to easy arguments and fluff. who's scum? could you be anymore obvious?

 

[mentosman8]

@Marshy: I admit my D2 posts sucked. All I can say is getting behind in 4 games and trying to catch up on them all really, really stretched me thin and I couldn't play as strong as I would have liked. Now that I'm completely caught up and playing along with the game in smaller chunks, I like to think I'm back to higher quality posts.

Now, a lot of what I've gotten in today was on the nameclaim idea. Now that it seems to be a general agreement we shouldn't do it today, I'll move along and get my thoughts on some people in here, and hopefully I'll have a chance to get a re-read in before too long.

Hando: I'm still trying to get a read on him. He has lurked, but at the same time, it's something I've seen from him as town before. His playstyle makes him hard as hell to get a good read on, so I'm hoping I can get a better one.

EE: I guess I'll go to the next person who has a lot of talk about him here. He is a tough case because of him dropping off the face of the Earth D2, but that inactivity stretched to his BRoom game, which Marshy said he was replaced on, and I didn't even see him on AIM as often, so I'm not holding the inactivity as a reason to suspect him. Outside of that, as a whole, he has been pretty helpful. Right now slight lean toward town, but still unsure.

Marshy: Being aggressive. Out of the games I've played with you, I've seen you as mafia twice. Once in HP where you didn't attack anyone pretty much all game, and once in newbie when you didn't start really being aggressive until a later point in the game. From what I've seen here, definitely a townie read on you so far.

Wiki: I'm feeling indie or scum here. Throughout pretty much the entire game, he has coasted along and not really done much for town. I'd like to see a solid post by him, but from what I've seen he's definitely one of, if not my top suspect.

Macman: Ughhh. His last post was a far improvement, but D1 especially and some of D2 he was pretty much worthless. Marshy also brought up a good point on him during twilight D2 about his seeming change of stance on Wiki during a period in which the only thing Wiki posted was an answer to flavor questioning. Not sure where I stand here just yet, should have a better idea after my reread.

Smashman: Still not comfortable with him, same as D1. He's done a bit more than Wiki, but has overall been not been of great help. I'm going to withhold judgement on him until he makes his promised post however.

Rockin: Leaning town, although not too strongly. It seemed like he really saw the idea of a name-claim to be beneficial to town, and although I disagree and felt I should make the case against it, I didn't feel it as scummy. Should have a better read on him when I get my re-read done.

And although I didn't really mean to pretty much go through everyone, Chaco: Once again, I should have a stronger read on him after my re-read. However, I can say that I am getting an overall townie vibe prior to that, and we'll see where that goes.

So, with my inadvertently commenting on everyone in the game, it has also helped me sort out my thoughts a bit. Right now I think my best choice would be to Vote: Wiki. As I said I'm going to try to get a re-read done here in the next couple days, which may alter my opinion, but for right now that's where I stand.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

So mentos

escuses handos coasting, "he does this as town." reread needed
escuses ee's inactivity "he seems like he's been busy", town read
town read on marshy
scumread on wiki because of coastng/and not being useful
no "read" on me, but FOSes me, reread needed
no read on smashman but FOS him
town read on rockin but "not too strongly", reread needed
town read on chaco, reread needed

after rereading, EE and Hando both stated at the end of D1 that they were unsure on a wiki lynch. EE said he wants to lynch iggy but if someone could tell him why wiki was scummy he may consider lynching him. Hando said he was unsure on whether iggy or wiki wud be the proper play.

If EE and hando happen to be lynched and turn up scum: I'd consider wiki to be town. Even though it's more of a nulltell since both EE and hando settled on iggy in the end. But eh.

I agree with marshy on mentos and can see him being the last in the 3. Probably shouldn't be focusing on so many people at once tho.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

wiki could be the indy tho now that I think about it. meh, don't really wanna try to find the indy right now tho.

 

[mentosman8]

Macman: I don't get the point of summing up my post..? All that was was me putting my thoughts on the moment out there. And I didn't "excuse" coasting so to speak, moreso just point out that Hando's playstyle is consistent with what I've seen from him as every alignment, and hence I don't feel a lynch based on said playstyle is our best option. For EE, I only said that his johns were legitimate, as can be agreed upon by those who heard of his replacement in his BRoom game. It's not that he "seems like he's been busy" it's that he was clearly having stuff going on. Also, don't confuse "slight town read" with "town read." You got it right on Rockin but seemed to want to up-play my thoughts on EE. Right now the only relatively strong read I have town wise goes to Marshy, yet you put EE on the same level as him.

Regardless, I'm not sure why you felt the need to post a dumbed down version of what was clearly me rattling my thoughts off about the game in general, it doesn't really help anything at all and just gives a chance where someone may confuse your interpretation of my thoughts with what I actually said(which on some are a big difference, others subtle). I don't like it either way.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

thats just what I got from your post

is my scummary off or something?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ebwop: other than EE shud be "slight town read" instead of "town read"

and lol tht[scummary] was an actual typo

 

[Evil Eye]

Responding to Mac first:

In the beginning of the post, EE says he is still suspicious of iggy and goes on to explain why. In the last sentence he says I don't consider him likely scum anymore. Sounds like a contradiction... but I'll go along with assumption that 'scum' referred to only mafia in this case, which will make more sense given the following quote from the same post. [am i the only one who considers any anti-town role scum?]

I'm fairly certain you are the only person that uses the word "scum" that way. I know I use "scum" for mafia and "antitown" for ... antitown. So it's not inconsistent at all. My point was that the likelihood that he was mafia, as I saw it, had diminished quite a bit, but I was still almost positive he was antitown. Lynching a lyncher (or, god-willing, an SK, cult leader, etc) is still very much a good move for town. I believe in the context of that post we were approaching endDay with no other solid candidates.

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather lynch a probable indy than try to slap a case together at the end of the day against someone else -- on D1 they'd probably end up being town, and last minute lynch-momentum is going to be far less telling than a slow build throughout the Day.

So clearly EE is for an iggy lynch. I think it’s odd that he points out that iggy probably isn’t mafia, but instead could be lyncher. Which is a good point, but saying this just makes it seem like when iggy did flip town, he could just go back and say he never thought iggy was mafia.

Well, all you've done is state the obvious there, Mac. You haven't given me anything to explain or rebut.

I thought he was the indy, and I thought he was a lyncher. I also considered the slightest possibility of scumhood.

What else do you expect me to say? As I said many a time on D1, what MasterWarlord did was 100% unjustifiable from a townie perspective without a bunch of meta-bull**** like "I guess he really was that stupid". Well, apparently he was.


Hopefully this next exchange will help you out a bit in understanding my points.

What I find more interesting is EE’s last sentence. If iggy does flip town, EE is FOSing all the people who were hesitant to lynch iggy.

That's not true! What I actually said was "people who flailed or amoeba'd about the subject of his lynch". That's not people who were hesitant about it at all, and couldn't be anymore different.

I was talking about people who waffled back and forth on the idea, perhaps voting and unvoting, perhaps expressing mild interest in the lynch but, between the lines, encouraging people to "win over" their vote. This is by far the scum tactic I have seen the most often in mafia games. A mafioso takes a candidate under great scrutiny and expresses some concern over their actions, but appears unconvinced. This could result in people encouraging them to make the vote, or pressing them to make up their mind, and thus proxies off some of the responsibility for the vote.

CK did this in Assassins in the Palace, and I was completely blind to it at the time because I was convinced of my candidate's guilt. On a reread, I caught that he had done so, and it was the fulcrum of my suspicion of him, and my D3 vote which lead to his lynch. Matt in SWFMafia also did this on D1 when the town had Marc (another townie) in the chair, and I was wary of it immediately, but left it be to deal with lower-hanging fruit and unproductive townies. Unfortunately, it turns out Matt was the godfather.

Do you understand my point, there, now? It wasn't about people who didn't find him suspicious whatsoever, and had everything to do with conviction of opinion.

I also wasn't FOSing all those people. I was saying that they'd be a good place to look, which is also completely different. Unless I have some reason to veil my suspicions, I will gladly pronounce an FOS in the thread, bold text and all. So unless I specifically say I'm FOSing someone... don't think I am.

But if this was the case, now that we DID lynch iggy, why haven’t you brought up any cases against these people? Are they still suspicious to you? I was expecting you to go back and see what you could find from the before the iggy lynch and actually bring up actual cases worth something, but instead you post a general post that doesn’t really contain anything and asks for other people to explain their suspicions. Are you not suspicious of anyone?

I explained why I wasn't able to make that giant post at the end of the giant post I just made. I thought I would finish with enough time to study and come back to the game, but I really didn't. Would you rather I half-*** my arguments and insights to get them up right away, or take a few extra days to make sure my thoughts gathered are solid?

I didn't look at those things because I specifically noted their likely importance back when I was as active as I can possibly be for a game, and didn't want to half-*** my reread or any collection of insights. Do I have NO suspicions? I wouldn't say that, exactly, but I would say that my suspicions at present are probably uninformed for the time being. Hence I posted a general post because I wanted to at least get my thoughts on the Day's discussion out there before I got buried by posts. What's the problem with that? We're having a discussion, aren't we?

If you still want those suspicions, I'm most critical of wiki (lurking, fluff posting, avoiding subjects of major discussion), smashman (flavor/fluff posting, avoiding subjects of major discussion), and chaco/rockin (that's a tie and largely spawned by their D2 argument). Hando has also gotten me narrowing my eyes, for essentially the same reasons as wiki. I expect these suspicions to either evolve into more substantive threads or change entirely when I reread. All the same, there they are.

Also EE is on this vote count, and had not made a post between the day end and the one I quoted.

Yes. That's when things started to go to hell.

...ugh. I have a feeling this is going to become a recurring theme, so **** it. I hate talking about my personal life, but here we go. The Johns, in full, agonizing detail. Enjoy.

This summer I have: experienced severe relationship troubles, struggled to end said relationship (then struggling with the aftermath of doing so), tried desperately to find a job in this terrible economy, spent a lot of time in pawn shops with some of my favorite things to manage my bills and debt payments, wrestled with said debts in an attempt to clear my credit line so I could get back to school (which is still not accomplished), fallen out with my best friend to the point that we are not speaking and he has moved to another city entirely, struggled to maintain what friendships I have left after that rift despite having no money which is quite the social damper, started school, resumed the pawnshop circuit to scrape together enough money to buy my textbooks of which I still need three to read a large chunk of for midterm exams I have next week in classes I have already missed too much of to pass by lecture alone.

Okay? Do you believe me? Is that sufficient?

I'm trying not to ride these johns too much but the fact is my life is ****ing terrible right now and I'm having a hard time holding it all together. I was going to replace out at the very start of D2, but chose to stay as a courtesy when three other people requested replacement. That was apparently a mistake on my part.

And yes, I fully realize this could be seen as an appeal to emotion. But I'm getting called out on posts I want to make but have been unable to, so I think I'm right in explaining myself. Believe me when I say that's more than I ever wanted to share with people I barely know (in most of your cases) on the internet.



Okay, moving on.

EE mentions marshy possibly being mafia that would want to kill omni, but then takes it back saying yhe doesn’t think that that’s what happened. Why bring it up in the first place.

For a few reasons.

1) I always try to think through a nightkill choice and see if there is any, vaguely plausible lead to be determined from their death. I then weigh said leads against the context of the game and how realistic or likely I think it is. If something is possible, it's worth discussing, but the level of its likelihood should be addressed.

2) Someone else probably would have brought it up, so I figured I might as well be the first, since I knew I was going to give the topic/possibility due process in analysis.

Also I don’t really like to see extensive real life johns like EE has done multiple times. You shouldn’t have to prove to people that you were busy

I shouldn't, but the topic keeps coming up. Real life johns suck. They really do. I never join a game when I think they're going to come up, because I despise meta-nonsense, but sometimes they do. That's just how it is. I haven't dropped out of this game because despite these facts I think I can still be productive if not the supreme activity overlord that I would prefer to be, and yet am stuck on those expectations and bite off more than I can chew. Thus, no more unrealistic deadlines. My full reread is coming, and it will be with ample time to discuss what I find or notice. I make no promises on when.


If you don't want to hear johns, don't ask me why I haven't been helpful since D1 -- and I disagree... I feel that my opening post on D2 made some good points about mafia having the timekeeper ability which went mostly unconsidered, and I think I've been productive thus far toDay -- because they are the only reason.


Now for marshy, or what little he said to me:

yeah ee's last post was scummy as ****. pretty lame that he decided to target all the people who are actually playing

I'm sorry, marshy, but that's not what I did at all. I tried to address everyone with requests for elaboration or questions and get the entirety of the town moving again with discussion, as well as providing my opinions on the many topics of discussion that have started to unfold toDay. The one person I targeted was Wiki, and I made that clear. With bold text.

Beyond Wiki, I posted observations, opinions, and questions. Not attacks, not cases, not anything like that. You should know by now, marshy, that I can't stand oversimplification of that level, and it's made much worse by the fact that what you described isn't at all what I posted.

 

[Evil Eye]

ebwop

after rereading, EE and Hando both stated at the end of D1 that they were unsure on a wiki lynch. EE said he wants to lynch iggy but if someone could tell him why wiki was scummy he may consider lynching him. Hando said he was unsure on whether iggy or wiki wud be the proper play.

No, I wasn't unsure. I was just as positive as ever that MasterIggy was our indy. I had bad feelings about wiki, but not to the point that I felt he was likely enough to be scum that I would lynch him in Iggy's place, so I was appealing for other cases and opinions. There was a wagon on Wiki forming, and I wasn't going to be joining it without substantive caselines. This is completely different from someone simply waffling between the two popular lynch candidates, which is definitely suspicious behavior.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

hmmm, i have stuff to say but I want more people to weigh in.

 

[Chaco]

I'll respond to the massive walls once I get Internet back. Phone web can't handle that ****.

 

[Handorin]

This was in reference to me. Hando fence sitting on iggy’s lynch. Seems like h

Cool st...what? I have nothing to answer here.

Yes, his action was not inheritly antitown; however, some of the things said and done by both MW and Iggy made me uneasy. I wasn't quite sure if it was wreckless town (in MW case), or a gutsy scum. Good info for later is nice to have though.

Sounds to me like Hando doesn’t think iggy/warlords actions were anti town at all. Instead he continues to point out me being tunnelvisioned. Which just seems to be an attack on me for when iggy flips town. Earlier he agreed that “the iggy lynch would bring forth info, but that he doesn’t think it’s the right one atm”

No. The actual restriction itself was what I was bringing attention to. Having to post in all caps or not using abbreviations is not antitown. It just seemed really odd that you kept gunning solely for him. In hind sight, knowing that if you mess up then you die then it may seem that the role is sort of anti town; however, it's more of how you choose to use that ability that determines how it is categorized (Is a Doc antitown? No. Is it antitown to refuse to use the ability? Yes)

By this point Hando has yet to vote iggy, clearly fence sitting. He even points this out himself. He has yet to vote by that point, but continues to give reasons as to why his vote could go on iggy despite him not thinking iggy is scum.

So I was discussing before I cast my vote. Your point is? And learn to use the terms correctly please, or at least acknowledge stuff that is obviously in the quote. I said I thought Iggy was an indy aka antitown aka not really quite scum but is not town.

I urge you to go to the original post to see what Hando was responding to. The wasting a mislynch on an indy is in reference to iggy. He calls iggy anti town… funny seeing as how a quote of his from earlier in this post showed him saying that what iggy did was indeed not anti town. I smell a liar…

I smell illiteracy. Explained above.

Hando never previously mentioned any suspicions of iggy.

What were all those quotes above this?

Lol not sure why he voted twice.

Maybe I forgot? Not helpful here.

You barely wanted to lynch iggy yesterday, but looks like you’re pushing that lynch now.

No, I wasn't entirely decided between the options given. Also, note I had my vote on Iggy at the end of Day1.

And sorry guys about my poor play earlier in the game, I have not made an attempt to actively scumhunt until now, I was indeed being tunnelvisioned. But that will change hopefully.

Oh, you admit to being tunnel visioned now? Didn't you just say:

Instead he continues to point out me being tunnelvisioned. Which just seems to be an attack on me for when iggy flips town.

Mmm k.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

waiting to see posts from rockin and smashy

 

[Rockin]

Well, reading EE's latest posts, I have to agree with him in regards to the first post of D3. "we have another mislynch now, lets not use it on me k?" From how I'm reading it, kinda feel like Macman had something to do with this. Not sure whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, but again, I am glad at least no one died. I'm still curious asto why EE doesn't want to share his 2 cents still with me vs. Chaco talk (which reminds me... Vote: Chaco...still find him scummy)

I still want the nameclaim to happen, but if you don't want to then alright then. I just felt a nameclaim would still be more benificial now then it would be on D4. *shrugs* I'm still standing by it.

It seems several are pretty mixed with my alignment. I dunno why. I don't think I've done anything really scummy (except maybe pressed about the nameclaim, but that's on my POV as to how this would help us.)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm not getting why people think chaco is scummy

 

[Chaco]

Internet is up, but configuration trouble. -.-;

Responding to all tomorrow.

But, I don't know, however EE can still die.

 

[smashman90]

Just want to say a few things.

@ Rockin: Eh, not overly suspicious of you. I just feel suspicious of you because it seems like you're always mafia in any game that we're both in. I think there has been like one exception so far. It feels like there's something I am wanting to say, but I got too many biology terms from my bio class floating around in my brain to think about it. Friggin lipid (or it phospholipid?) bilayers, Enzymes, ATP, and other stuff.

@ Macman, I'm still wondering why you mentioned that you were starting to come around to me without giving any reason. Mind elaborating?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

It's actually a pretty silly reason. It was around the time tht i started to think EE was scum and I could see him specifically tell you to do all the flavor stuff since yu did tht in his game. And you still continued to not be helpful after i vouched for yu when people were hopping on you for the flavor crap. But you aren't really high on my list for now.

Is that all rockin and you have to say? What are both of you guys' thoughts on my case on EE/Hando and their responses. Who are your suspicions? If you are town and want to win, I need more than just asking why ppl are suspicious of you.

 

[Chaco]

Yedi's town, you can tell from the confidence.

Expect a large post tomorrow night.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

so bored i want this game to move along.

Wiki, alot of people are suspicious of you. thoughts?

Hando now that you have attempted to defend against the case presented to you, who are your suspicions?

 

[Rockin]

Again, don't really have much comment about it. Aside from the legit john, I don't see anything really scummy about him. Again though, I don't know how a scummy EE plays, so I'm still watching him.

Same with Hando. He's been posting a bit more then both D1 and D2, but I'm unsure whether to cast him in as a townie or whatnot (this is not me following rule No. 1). Another eye I need to keep watch on.

As far as suspicions, right now, my top suspect is Chaco. So far, he stands out the most as scummy IMO in terms of D1 and D2. D1 with the actions he's done (moving onto one person to another, switching around constantly that Iggy is town or scum, and going after Wiki after hearing Marshy's no. 1 suspect). Then there's D2 where he responds so defensivly to my case and tries to put me down (at least again, that's how I saw it IMO).

There's also a FOS on you, Macman. You was super tunnelvisioned and you barely contributed much in the thread. Most of your post was just trying to BW Masterwarlord/Iggy cause you was 'so sure' he was mafia. Then there were times when people asked for your opinion, you scuffed off some of them, refusing to answer. Finally, the other few times you was spamming the 'I KNOW I'M TOWN' thing. >>

 

[Chaco]

(/Chaco) I'm confused, here. Do you support claiming toDay, or not? This reply here could go both ways.

If someone makes a bisexuality joke I'm going to pistolwhip them.

No, I do not support claiming today. I feel it is really in bad taste, however, if we did have doc claim we could rule people out on who he protected from the Nightkill. t would provide good insight, however, unless we lynched right today it would be in vain. I don't think it's worth risking at this time. Perhaps tomorrow, but that's considering that Doc is alive. Looking to far ahead.

That's kind of a misrepresentation, Chaco. I recall being active right to near the end of Day 1, and I expressed opinions and suggested being careful with voting because of the Timekeeper power mafia stole on Day 2 before I did my best Batman impression.

If you were still gunning for me I'd be calling shenanigans, but I assume it's just been so long since you've seen me around here you don't have your facts straight on me anymore, which is understandable. All the same, I felt inclined to respond to this statement.

Yeah, I got confused on when you actually had last responded. Instead of looking I just guesstimated. Not a good idea, lol.

I have a few problems with this post, Chaco.

1) Having the Doc claim -- assuming doc save is what transpired -- is not the doc sacrificing himself to hit scum. A doc is not a cop. They don't know who made the attempt that they foiled. In fact, I believe they only know that they may have foiled an attempt. I have never played a doc, but I don't think they're informed that they save someone formally.

With that said, I do agree that doc should not claim unless necessary, because we're on D3 with no scum down, and thus a doc is going to become a real weapon as this game continues forward. A weapon I'd rather keep alive, and on our side.

2) Mind restating your cases against your scumlist? Or are you still ruminating which ones you feel are worth pursuing? Personally I've never cared for just a list of "people who can die", but many players are wont to do that, so I can't twist your arm on that one.

3) "We knock people off of that list with doc claim and save and it could help". Um, no we don't. What if the doc saved you? You're not on the list. What if the doc isn't on the list? What if neither of them are? What if your list is fallible (and there's a good chance it is)? This point made no sense to me whatsoever.

1) Well, they are not informed, it can just be deduced from the no kill/doc target still being a live. That doesn't mean that the situation is bulletproof, because the mafia could choose not to kill that night for some reason and it would make that null. And could only hurt town. It's one of those things that's a last ditch. We're not exactly on the last ditch but we're getting close. So that's why I tossed the idea around.

2) Wiki: Has amounted to ****. I seriously think he has posted zero content throughout this entire game and yet he remains alive. I really don't understand it. no one can truly get a read on him since he's just there. When he does post it's just a snippet, a snippet of something that we never see the rest of. I honestly feel that he can die, and do not know why Iggy was chosen over Wiki. Wiki is a prime choice because he consistently avoids the inactivity jabs and just continues to coast away.

Smash: I guess my main problem with everyone on this list is inactivity, just the lurker aspect irks me. But his flavor shenanigans does bother me to a certain extent. I believe he's trying to break the game with flavor when it is not applicable. you have to give the mod more credit then to just line up a few pieces and wah-lah town wins. It doesn't work that way. So flavor crap compounded with lurking/inactivty/etc.

Hando: He's not on there as much now as he was considering he has posted more content, and I can finally get a decent read on him.

EE: Your main issue was he lurking as well. Nothing really more than that.

Rockin: I do feel that he's been on me since I said he's been off. Ever since then he's been on my jock, iirc. I feel that is a bit off.

3) I generalized, that's my bad. I said I guess because I was more so hoping that they'd be on there. Bad point is right.

@Rockin: I don't believe I ever attacked Wiki on terms with Marshy. I've attacked Wiki this entire game. Also, I don't remember putting you down. i also don't remember you having a "case" until I called you out. I'll have to look back.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

are we in mylo?

mentos wiki hando and smashman need to be clearer on who they want lynched. deadline's in about a week

 

[Handorin]

I'll have more time to do stuff tomorrow since it's Sunday.

But today is not mylo. We still have one mislynch. However, it will be lylo tomorrow.

 

[Rockin]

You know, I forgot to comment this

Yedi's town, you can tell from the confidence.

Expect a large post tomorrow night.

Anyone can be/act confident no matter what side they're on. As long as they're calm and things go into plan, they will always have a confident air on them.

 

[Chaco]

Why'd you ignore the parts I specifically pointed out at you, to respond to a quote to gauge reactions?