Mega Man 1.0.4 Patch Notes Discovery Thread - New Frame Data (Buffs!)

[Locke 06]

Double dangerwarp and ice slasher is still in the game

I'll trust that you pulled one off. I personally never bothered with it and forgot all about it. Adding it to my big post.

 

[uncaDon]

The lack of vectoring makes megamans upsmash a decent kill move now which is nice.

Yeah this is amazing, I've gotten way more early kills with it after the patch. Also backthrow.

 

[Abortion Doc]

Wait, vectoring is gone in 1.0.4? I never heard about that.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Wait, vectoring is gone in 1.0.4? I never heard about that.

Yep.

People are still arguing about exactly HOW it has been changed, but vertical vectoring has been repeatedly tested to be gone. Check one of many threads in the competitive discussion forum for info on it.

...I seriously can't believe that happened though.

 

[Fenrir VII]

So Thinkaman is compiling frame data from a script dump by Dantarion for 1.0.4, and there seems to be some differences from what we have.
Link to data: http://smashboards.com/threads/frame-data-and-hitbox-values-for-every-character-wip.378789/

Currently no IASA data at that link... not sure if he'll be able to add it.


Jab1 - Hits on frame: 2.0 < 5 frames faster compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
Nair - Hits on frame: 2.0 < 5 frames faster compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
Dash Attack - Hits on frame: 8.0 < No change
U-tilt - Hits on frame: 6.0 < No change
D-tilt - Hits on frame: 5.0 < 1 frame slower compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
U-smash release - Hits on frame: 8.0 < 1 frame faster compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
D-smash release - Hits on frame: 17.0 < 2 frames faster compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
Fair - Hits on frame: 9.0 < No change
Bair - Hits on frame: 4.0 < No change

Sorry for the double post but wanted to make sure people see this.
Apparently the dsmash startup speed buff is true.. Also I really don't understand what's going on with the jab speed. might just be a misunderstanding on what I'm reading.
EDIT: Yes, Nair/jab change confirmed false... just a difference in what's being measured I suspect. No change from old

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm liking the changes to the Down Smash. But I'm surprised that the Slide is a frame slower. But it's hardly the worst nerf of all.

 

[Lavani]

Also I really don't understand what's going on with the jab speed. might just be a misunderstanding on what I'm reading.

Jab speed seems legit, comparing 1/4 speed in 1.0.1 and 1.0.4 it hits WAY earlier now.

Uh, never mind. Not sure if I accidentally tapped once extra and went to 1/2 speed accidentally or what, but I checked again after seeing jab unchanged in the data dump and it isn't actually different.

 

[PairODucks]

A fairly minor change, but pellets now reflect Gordos (I'm pretty sure they didn't before).

 

[Fenrir VII]

A fairly minor change, but pellets now reflect Gordos (I'm pretty sure they didn't before).

Wow... Metal blade reflected it before. DDD is going to just have serious trouble against us... even moreso now.

 

[Knight Dude]

A fairly minor change, but pellets now reflect Gordos (I'm pretty sure they didn't before).

That....actually seems pretty good. Sure it only effects one match up, but pellets are much faster than Metal Blades, so it'll be easier to react to. I'm happy to hear about this change.

 

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So Thinkaman is compiling frame data from a script dump by Dantarion for 1.0.4, and there seems to be some differences from what we have.
Link to data: http://smashboards.com/threads/frame-data-and-hitbox-values-for-every-character-wip.378789/

Currently no IASA data at that link... not sure if he'll be able to add it.


Jab1 - Hits on frame: 2.0 < 5 frames faster compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
Nair - Hits on frame: 2.0 < 5 frames faster compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
Dash Attack - Hits on frame: 8.0 < No change
U-tilt - Hits on frame: 6.0 < No change
D-tilt - Hits on frame: 5.0 < 1 frame slower compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
U-smash release - Hits on frame: 8.0 < 1 frame faster compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
D-smash release - Hits on frame: 17.0 < 2 frames faster compared to Doval's 1.0.3 data
Fair - Hits on frame: 9.0 < No change
Bair - Hits on frame: 4.0 < No change

I think I can tell the difference in Training Mode with it set to 1/4 the normal speed. Mega Buster is definitely faster.

Slight U/D-Smash buffs are always welcome.

1 Frame probably doesn't matter, but D-Tilt wasn't all the safe to begin with.

EDIT: Changed the Thread title, because buffs.

A fairly minor change, but pellets now reflect Gordos (I'm pretty sure they didn't before).

They definitely didn't, good thing I have to revamp the Projectile Priority Thread anyway.

I wonder if it means Lemons were buffed or that Gordo was nerfed?

 

[Crescent_Sun]

Gordos were nerfed. A lot more attacks can reflect them now. D3 players are sad.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Megaman has to be a nightmare matchup for DDD now... he practically was before, but I seriously can't come up with a way that DDD can beat A A A anymore.

The jab/nair buff is huge... Fair > nair body hitbox was a nice string before, now it'll be better. False false false
The dsmash thing is big too. Always nice to get some speed on a killmove.

And yeah, I really don't care about the dtilt nerf. Its usefulness was never about its speed, and it didn't change much.

 

[Lavani]

Side-by-side 1.0.0 and 1.0.4 jabs:

I think the 2f thing refers to the jab hitting on frame 2 once his arm's in position.

Gordos were nerfed. A lot more attacks can reflect them now. D3 players are sad.

I can confirm every part of this.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Side-by-side 1.0.0 and 1.0.4 jabs:

I think the 2f thing refers to the jab hitting on frame 2 once his arm's in position.


I can confirm every part of this.

Can't load the video, but can you tell if there has been a speed buff or not? slightly confused.

 

[Lavani]

Can't load the video, but can you tell if there has been a speed buff or not? slightly confused.

They're completely identical, no change.

 

[Fenrir VII]

They're completely identical, no change.

lol placebo going wild up in here. I'll edit all my posts to indicate that. I thought there was something fishy about a 5 frame change

 

[Hayzie]

Is there a full list of Mega Man changes? Why is it not in the OP? Thanks.

 

[fromundaman]

So it took a bit since I had to unlock Danger Warp in order to test, but Danger Warp killed at 143% in 1.0.3

 

[MrPhox]

I've been playing the Wii U version, and the Up Air does look bigger. Not sure if it's my perception because the way it's rendered. I'm also killing bowser ~110% with it. That FEELS stronger, but I really don't know.

Testing and cross-referencing it on both my Wii U and 3DS. It could be that on fixed camera mode on Wii U, that there is more space, and thus the tornado looks like it doesn't go as far. While in fixed camera mode on 3DS, it doesn't zoom out as far, so the tornado appears to be traveling a longer distance.

 

[meleebrawler]

I've been playing the Wii U version, and the Up Air does look bigger. Not sure if it's my perception because the way it's rendered. I'm also killing bowser ~110% with it. That FEELS stronger, but I really don't know.

Testing and cross-referencing it on both my Wii U and 3DS. It could be that on fixed camera mode on Wii U, that there is more space, and thus the tornado looks like it doesn't go as far. While in fixed camera mode on 3DS, it doesn't zoom out as far, so the tornado appears to be traveling a longer distance.

This begs the question: how much does the removal of vertical vectoring
improve Air Shooter?

 

[Locke 06]

Welp... Apparently my 1.0.3 data/the community guide data was bad. There are no knockback or % changes for Mega Man, according to aerodrome.

While I sincerely think fsmash damage used to be 12&20, and BAir killed default mii at 5% later in 1.0.3 (along with having a BAir spike), it doesn't really matter what it used to be/whether it got buffed or nerfed. What matters is that we have correct information for the current version.

Sorry guys... I guess I messed this one up.

 

[Azazel]

It really doesn't, Air shooter was always kinda weird because it uses windboxes for knockback. It has set Hitstun but its WindBox Knockback does scale with percent However, its only noticible when the opponent Double Jumps. When calculating if it kills you need to factor in, Percent, Weight, AND opponents Jump strength. Unless you use a very very High Uair then it always kills because it drags them through the blast zone.

TL;DR Uair can't kill unless opponents jump, I doubt Vectoring did anything to it because vectoring is applied during HitLag

 

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Welp... Apparently my 1.0.3 data/the community guide data was bad. There are no knockback or % changes for Mega Man, according to aerodrome.

While I sincerely think fsmash damage used to be 12&20, and BAir killed default mii at 5% later in 1.0.3 (along with having a BAir spike), it doesn't really matter what it used to be/whether it got buffed or nerfed. What matters is that we have correct information for the current version.

Sorry guys... I guess I messed this one up.

Kinda hard to believe (they could have spoken up sooner >_>) but it'll all good. Mega Man was still buffed overall.

It'll probably be easier to test with the Wii U version, the 3DS has a severe lack of options for testing.

 

[DblCrest]

Have there been any changes to Metal Blade?

I'm not sure about the previous patch but now it seems to end up stuck in the ground after someone guards against it a lot more frequently or did it always do that in the pas. Maybe the frequency of that happening has gone up or the RNG is screwing with me.

 

[Azazel]

Have there been any changes to Metal Blade?

I'm not sure about the previous patch but now it seems to end up stuck in the ground after someone guards against it a lot more frequently or did it always do that in the pas. Maybe the frequency of that happening has gone up or the RNG is screwing with me.

Its really always been like that

 

[DblCrest]

Ah ok... never noticed it before. Usually the blade just kept going and I'd throw something else XD