MD/VA Power Rankings: Updated 8/14/12

[ESOJOSE]

Consider it extra incentive for players to take that top spot: your own theme music!

OMNI!!! u need to replace that sond with "lollipop" from Aqua!!!

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Esoj should be on there actually.

Pf you got 9th twice, im not sure why you'd think thats honorable. Mention

Look at my wins and loses compared to speed's (no offense)

Placings aren't the only thing that matter. Who cares if I place 1st beating scrubs? In what way is that determining skill level for an entire region? Not to say anyone on here made it by doing that, but it's a little superficial to think my two 9th place finishes are what's holding me back, especially when you didnt even consider the size of the tournament, who I outplaced etc.

I'm almost positive my wins are on par with speed's wins, (including beating speed) and my loses are all from PR members, unlike speed.

Wins btw
Boss
Speed
Oath
June
Cook
17
hotpockey

Losses
Neox2
Chu
Meep
Coney

I reallllllyyyy hope wins and losses are taking into consideration, hopefully on the same level as placings.

Unless you can give me an amazing reason why speed is on, but I'm not, then I'll feel as though I deserve to be on.

 

[slikvik]

i fux with this

 

[Omni]

Wins and losses are some of the last things to be looked at.

Ultimately, how you place is what determines your ability to join the PR. Of course the skill level of the tournament based on attendance and the PR players that attend will be accounted for.

But yeah, how you place has the highest precedence in regards to determining rankings. That's just how a rankings system works. Wins and losses don't weigh nearly as much as placings.

 

[slikvik]

Wins and losses are some of the last things to be looked at.

Ultimately, how you place is what determines your ability to join the PR. Of course the skill level of the tournament based on attendance and the PR players that attend will be accounted for.

But yeah, how you place has the highest precedence in regards to determining rankings. That's just how a rankings system works. Wins and losses don't weigh nearly as much as placings.

Actually, I feel it should be the other way around. By looking at wins and losses, you understand the entire tournament history, where as placings can be attributed to a favorable brackets

Anyway pf, step it up to the point where your a shoe in for the actual rankings rather than debating getting mentioned

 

[Shinku]

I'm gonna pick up snake.

that is the smartest thing i have ever heard you say.

 

[Coney]

Wins and losses are some of the last things to be looked at.

Ultimately, how you place is what determines your ability to join the PR. Of course the skill level of the tournament based on attendance and the PR players that attend will be accounted for.

But yeah, how you place has the highest precedence in regards to determining rankings. That's just how a rankings system works. Wins and losses don't weigh nearly as much as placings.

speaking from the hip here:

i don't think so, at all.

during this last debate period, apparently alan v. me was hotly contested, a dead split down the middle. i was more active, beat more good players, had all of his placings, went OOS a lot, but he beat BETTER players. that's fine and all, but let's look at this:

alan beat jash, kool aid and candy and got 5th, 9th and 13th. i beat a bunch of really good but comparatively lesser-ranked people and got 5th, 5th, 7th, 9th, 13th, 17th. if placings were all that mattered, it wouldn't have even been a debate. it came down to the wire, and why? wins, not placings.

pink got 9th and 9th, speed got...5th and 13th i think? both only two tourneys. speed got 5th, very nice, his placings average out to somewhere higher than pink's, but pink had (i think, could be wrong here) more important wins against speed, boss, and june against speed's wins against takeover and boss. despite this, people seem to think that pink doesn't deserve recognition, despite his wins. placings, not wins, decided this. and marc and marq you guys know i love you both and you're both my little chicklings, i'm saying both of you deserve recognition.

i think the panel tries to say "this matters, but this matters, but this matters" on a whim. i'm not going to say why because i don't really get it, but omni, i hope you and whoever else gets voted on talk with the panel as a whole and decide some kind of objective criteria, because right now the whole situation seems kinda silly. i can understand you guys didn't put a lot of thought into the honorable mention list (not meaning to sound sardonic, i really do understand) but don't snort when pink asks for some, i think, well-deserved recognition.

also wanna make it clear: i'm not arguing that wins should count more, OR that placings should count more. i'm saying that it's ridiculous to have one be more important for one decision, and one more important for another.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Wins and losses are some of the last things to be looked at.

Ultimately, how you place is what determines your ability to join the PR. Of course the skill level of the tournament based on attendance and the PR players that attend will be accounted for.

But yeah, how you place has the highest precedence in regards to determining rankings. That's just how a rankings system works. Wins and losses don't weigh nearly as much as placings.

NY/NJ do their rankings differently :0

Wins/losses should have one of the biggest impacts on how you, as a player, performed a season. When attributing ones skill, you would have to look at who they beat/didn't beat. I find it amazingly hard to judge someone's skill, if you don't look at wins and losses, but just look at placings. I'm pretty sure that a Ranking system looks at the person you beat, and how they're "ranked" to determine the amount of a boost you would get for beating said person. You can't just assume someone is doing well, becuase they placed high, because you didn't look at who they beat. It will create a situation where the expected placing for said person will not be accomplished simplly because those one or two times that the person placed well, they had an "easy" bracket. Things like byes, easy first round opponents, and relatively easy brackets, until the later rounds, for top seeds give an obvious unfair advantage to placing. Then there are the occasional "upsets" (me beating june, Tristan Win beating candy") that screw over winners, giving an overall easier bracket for some people. Look at Boss' wins for that tourney btw.

How about VC7 where San placed 9th with Ike? It looked amazing, until you realized that he didnt have many impressive wins. Infact, in bracket his only REALLY big win was Boss. Minty also had a seemingly easy bracket compared to others which earned him a 7th place finish iirc.
what about crewfest? I beat june, meaning Meep didn't have to play one of his harder matchups. Things happen, placings get screwed. Wins and losses usually don't.

I'm not just coming up with hypothetical situations. Things like this happen all the time.

Actually, I feel it should be the other way around. By looking at wins and losses, you understand the entire tournament history, where as placings can be attributed to a favorable brackets

Anyway pf, step it up to the point where your a shoe in for the actual rankings rather than debating getting mentioned

I'm trying!

gotta break this 9th curse.

 

[Lobos]

Honorably mentions list = you still suck because your name doesn't have a cool MVC2 character ha!

 

[Coney]

also wanna make it clear up there: i'm not arguing that wins should count more, OR that placings should count more. i'm saying that it's ridiculous to have wins be more important in one discussion, and placings more important in the other.

 

[Kenrawr]

^@Zak

tl;dr but might@pink

 

[boss8]

i think pink is a beast....but hey who am i im only 2nd best in MD/VA xD

 

[boss8]

Boss teach me how to play Luigi!

aim me for further things...

 

[Oath.]

We should have our region nominate/vote for our panelists, it would be more legit and would lessen the suspicion of people being biased. personally i think EE AND Tant shouldn't BOTH on the pr, that's not quite fair i love them both but they are in the same "Crew" and i think a lot of their views could be right around the same area (i may be wrong).

Pros for Voting:
- I THINK everyone would be more pleased and would question the panelists positions less
- More diversity in this pr
- More Views/Players may POSSIBLY(of course placements and other things still have to be taken into perspective) be seen on the pr.
- More Fun, Less Arguement
- Different people from different "crews"/groups of people

Cons for Voting:
- I really dont see any, and a lot of others that i have talked to, and they said this would be a great idea..


everyone think about this and lets discuss this, or i could just get flamed/trolled which i bought a shield for so.. lets see what you got..

 

[Kenrawr]

Here's a con:

ATHF is a huge crew and we could just end up with more ATHF on the panel.

I do like the idea of voting though.

 

[SOVAman]

Voting sounds cool

 

[TheTantalus]

You're dead wrong oath. Phil and I disagree about just about everything. ROFL

 

[Oath.]

You're dead wrong oath. Phil and I disagree about just about everything. ROFL

i did say i could be wrong : /

 

[SOVAman]

i did say i could be wrong : /

lol yea calm down thetantalus

 

[ESOJOSE]

also wanna make it clear up there: i'm not arguing that wins should count more, OR that placings should count more. i'm saying that it's ridiculous to have wins be more important in one discussion, and placings more important in the other.

Wins and placings work together, to help place players with very equal skill levels. We can't have 2 number 1's for every ranking. That's why both must be viewed and why in some conversations it looks like one is more important then another. im too lazy to give examples but if people ask i shall.

Also honorable mention seems like its being used for 11-15th place which is wrong. Even though Pink Fresh has been to limited tourneys, hes done some amazing things with Lucas and has beaten some big names. I can't picture many other players being able to do the same with Lucas. I believe Pink deserves an honorable mention..... and a hooker b/c everybody loves hookers

i think pink is a beast....but hey who am i im only 2nd best in MD/VA xD

2nd is just the first loser, step it up *****!!!!

Though dont worry, you're the #1 fattest person in MD/VA and no one can take that from you.

 

[TheTantalus]

I know i was just letting you know

I'm an ***, my apologies friend

Edit: Placings don't always matter, but usually do, take for instance these:

Katsucon results: (22 entrants)

1. Korn
2. P~S
3. Slikvik
4. Tantalus
5. EE
5. Lobos

Harrisburg B&G

1. Korn
2. Grape
3. SSR
4. Merio
5. Tantalus
5. Waffle

Gonna give me PRs for making top 5 twice? Nope- the tourneys were way easier. The activity and placings will matter when it comes down to more difficult tournaments.

 

[KageMurphy]

OMG some of you shut the hell up, first off ain't no one voting on who's on the panel cause half you all don't acutally know **** about anything. We got the panel under controll, nothings corrupt so fall back.

Second, who the **** cares if you get an honorable mention? Cry me a ****ing river, really, I say put Pink on just cause he's better then speed and his wins are beast but really, its not that ****ing important. I don't even support have honorable mentions, its just a way for people who didn't get on this season to feel somewhat important.

 

[Coney]

Wins and placings work together, to help place players with very equal skill levels. We can't have 2 number 1's for every ranking. That's why both must be viewed and why in some conversations it looks like one is more important then another. im too lazy to give examples but if people ask i shall.

yes of course, i agree. different things have to be considered in order for there to be a tiebreaker. but i had more activity and placings than him, so if that was REALLY the deciding factor, there is no tiebreaker.

 

[SOVAman]

I vote betazealot for panel

 

[Kenrawr]

Could at least pretend to show that you care what the people think >.>

 

[KageMurphy]

Also, I'm gonna throw it out there that I think you need to attend atleast 3 events each season to get ranked, this two tourny **** ain't cutting it.

 

[TheTantalus]

^agreed with that, you'll lose entire ranking status if you don't attend 3 events. We'll have AT LEAST 6, but preferably 8 events this season. It will probably run up until MLG Columbus (which will count towards it) so you have plenty of time to enter.

This means people who like to avoid singles sometimes or randomly be inactive, step it up.

 

[ESOJOSE]

OMG some of you shut the hell up, first off ain't no one voting on who's on the panel cause half you all don't acutally know **** about anything. We got the panel under controll, nothings corrupt so fall back.

Second, who the **** cares if you get an honorable mention? Cry me a ****ing river, really, I say put Pink on just cause he's better then speed and his wins are beast but really, its not that ****ing important. I don't even support have honorable mentions, its just a way for people who didn't get on this season to feel somewhat important.

Also, I'm gonna throw it out there that I think you need to attend atleast 3 events each season to get ranked, this two tourny **** ain't cutting it.

SILENCE ALL!!! MY GORILLA HAS SPOKEN!!!

 

[KageMurphy]

I hate you, so much <__<;

 

[NO-IDea]

Settle down peeps. It's just an honorable mentions list.

Although I do tend to disagree with how the panelists decide their rankings. And rather, why would a panel need to exist if the overall community can agree with the process of ranking? If the community cannot have a majority consensus over how the PRs should be determined, then we have a problem.

I am not merely speculating the honorable mentions list (sorry Marcus, but it's not that important), but rather the PR in general. Stricter rules and requisites are necessary, or at least need to be defined. We see none of that in the OP.

The panel should only exist to gather up the information and therefore provide an unbias list. If there be any argument over said list, then the data and process utilized to achieve said list can be revealed. As of now, even though I do find the current PR overall agreeable, the community doesn't really know how the PRs are even decided for MD/VA. Not to mention the fact that PRs usually take forever to be decided reflects the inefficiency of our current process. And even now, we see community disputes over the relevance of several factors concerning power rankings.

NJ/NY has MD/VA beat in ranking its players. It's time we adopt and improve upon their process.

Class in a bit, but I have a point system in mind to share when I get back.

 

[Omni]

question

do any of you guys even DISAGREE with the current list

if not then why are we trying to fix something that isnt broken

point is people are always gonna complain. cant make everyone happy. but im pretty sure the majority of the community can agree with the list

 

[KageMurphy]

I'm not sure how anyone can disagree with the current list, its as accurate as it can be overall. This whole thing started from some Honorable mention BS.

Anyway wins n placings determine PR(activity too, at least more so now), you all know that, not everyone will agree, oh well that's life.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Yall are silly. I got 9th once three times in one season and got no honorable mention. ROFLMAO@complaining over something so meaningless.

You all made the Md/Va low tier PR so feel proud of that honor. Will be updated after 5 guys tourney. Thanks yokels

 

[Kenrawr]

look at me! look at me!

Your wins aren't even comparable.

Btw the list looks great.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Your wins aren't even comparable.

Btw the list looks great.

But I don't care about something so trivial.

 

[Kenrawr]

Nobody asked if you did.

 

[g-regulate]

**** think of all the people ive beaten at least one time, and how youll never beat as many
Azen
Chillin
Candy
Boss
Korn
Forte
Chu
Meep
P~S
NEO
Kadaj
Coney
Virtually everyone else in the region except omni and june
Snakee
Ninjalink
Vex
MalcolmM
Every diddy player ever
Infinity
HolyNightmare
KingAce
Anyone i ever played from Canada... or Texas
Santi
Anyone from SOVA ever

peeps go to 3-4 tourneys and want that smash cred, lol step it up. beat EVERYONE a few times and they wont forget you

 

[ESOJOSE]

OMNI **** IT!!! CHANGE THE SONG!!! I don't know how that song is an homage to Candy??? If it's not meant to be, then am i suppose to believe that every body who is 1st will have the same song???? BORING!!!!.....

 

[ESOJOSE]

**** think of all the people ive beaten at least one time, and how youll never beat as many
Azen
Chillin
Candy
Boss
Korn
Forte
Chu
Meep
P~S
NEO
Kadaj
Coney
Virtually everyone else in the region except omni and june
Snakee
Ninjalink
Vex
MalcolmM
Every diddy player ever
Infinity
HolyNightmare
KingAce
Anyone i ever played from Canada... or Texas
Santi
Anyone from SOVA ever

peeps go to 3-4 tourneys and want that smash cred, lol step it up. beat EVERYONE a few times and they wont forget you

IF you aint got ESOJ on ur list, then u aint nothing!!! RECOGNIZE!!!!

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

Omni you just just put up TU4AR on the main page.