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frotaz37

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These so called "back rooms" are completely unnecessary. Also elitist.

But hey, I guess when you dedicate years of your life to getting good at a video game nobody cares about, you have to come up with someway to make yourself feel superior to those around you.

This whole exclusive club mentality needs to be eliminated from the minds of people everywhere. I propose starting here.
 

Divinokage

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These so called "back rooms" are completely unnecessary. Also elitist.

But hey, I guess when you dedicate years of your life to getting good at a video game nobody cares about, you have to come up with someway to make yourself feel superior to those around you.

This whole exclusive club mentality needs to be eliminated from the minds of people everywhere. I propose starting here.
I like how you state nobody cares about.. who are those people? I'm sure there are plenty of other people that don't like any other kind of sport, it's the exact same thing. Welcome to smashboards where everyone cares about smash. Ok so who's superior than who here? Ya my level of smash is completely different than all the other smasher but I'm not any better than them, I'm just a guy who enjoys smash just as much as other people.

So what's this about exclusive club thing? We are simply trying to HELP the community grow by coming up with great ideas and we feed off each other's ideas.. it's obviously not everyone that is suited to do that. You need deep understanding of what's going on around you and in game. You make it seem like we are some kind of dark government or something which is really funny.

Anyways if you want to understand one another then you need to accept each other's differences, simple as that. People get together because they have common interest... where are you trying to live right now? In some kind of utopic dream? lol.
 

frotaz37

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What's wrong with having secret clubs?
They promote social bull****.

So what's this about exclusive club thing? We are simply trying to HELP the community grow by coming up with great ideas and we feed off each other's ideas.. it's obviously not everyone that is suited to do that. You need deep understanding of what's going on around you and in game.
Who says your ideas are great? You?
News Flash: If there were no back rooms, the smash community would be just as good.
They don't need to exist.
 

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I like how you state nobody cares about.. who are those people? I'm sure there are plenty of other people that don't like any other kind of sport, it's the exact same thing. Welcome to smashboards where everyone cares about smash. Ok so who's superior than who here? Ya my level of smash is completely different than all the other smasher but I'm not any better than them, I'm just a guy who enjoys smash just as much as other people.

So what's this about exclusive club thing? We are simply trying to HELP the community grow by coming up with great ideas and we feed off each other's ideas.. it's obviously not everyone that is suited to do that. You need deep understanding of what's going on around you and in game. You make it seem like we are some kind of dark government or something which is really funny.

Anyways if you want to understand one another then you need to accept each other's differences, simple as that. People get together because they have common interest... where are you trying to live right now? In some kind of utopic dream? lol.
You're definitely an exception, but don't think otherwise when you hear that alot of people are elitists on this forum. Plenttttttttttttttttty.

i'm not for the rest of his argument, but that part yeah.
 

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Not fundamentally. Back rooms are fundamentally private. It is up to the constitution of the members to be elitist or not.
 

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I don't see how the concept is a problem if the intent is completely different.
 

frotaz37

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You can replace the word elitist with private, but in reference to backrooms, the two words are synonymous.

It means "private until we judge you and decide that you're worthy".
 

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Why? They just want to talk without everyone looking. There is no inherent bragging or condescension because of it.

Is my Power Ranking Back Room elitist by nature? We just want to talk honestly about our opinions without the rest of our region reading it and possibly getting upset or judging us because of our opinions.
 

frotaz37

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Why? They just want to talk without everyone looking.
Why is there a distinction being made between "They" and "Everyone" in the first place?

Is my Power Ranking Back Room elitist by nature? We just want to talk honestly about our opinions without the rest of our region reading it and possibly getting upset or judging us because of our opinions.
How do you know that would happen? For as long as I can remember, power ranking discussions have been in the back room. Any fears you have about these possible repercussions are completely baseless. Not only are you implying that non-backroom members are somehow worse at handling honest opinions, you're also implying that backroom members are better at it.

That's elitism.
 

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Certain people are better than others at judging without bias for power rankings. Disregarding that, it would also be preferable to do so in private because, while "EVERYONE'S OPINION IS IMPORTANT", it's rather unproductive to have a dozen pages of EVERYONE'S OPINION arguing over two people's placements or something. This is why a panel is set up for a power rankings, and it's not the entire region deciding on why X should be #4 instead of Y. Decisions get made more quickly when there's four people discussing instead of forty.
 

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I was more implying that if I were to vote player A at dead last, that player would be upset at his placement. With the backroom being private, he would have to be content to accept his placement or argue factually. If the backroom was open he would simply look to who voted what and would just resent those individuals.
 

frotaz37

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Certain people are better than others at judging without bias for power rankings. Disregarding that, it would also be preferable to do so in private because, while "EVERYONE'S OPINION IS IMPORTANT", it's rather unproductive to have a dozen pages of EVERYONE'S OPINION arguing over two people's placements or something. This is why a panel is set up for a power rankings, and it's not the entire region deciding on why X should be #4 instead of Y. Decisions get made more quickly when there's four people discussing instead of forty.
You are right about it being much easier to create power rankings if there is a smaller number of people discussing it, but then, who decides who the panelists are going to be? Who rates a persons ability to be unbiased?

If the answer to these questions are the names of people who are backroom members (and were when they made these decisions), then yes, it's an elitist circle jerk (for lack of a better term).

I was more implying that if I were to vote player A at dead last, that player would be upset at his placement. With the backroom being private, he would have to be content to accept his placement or argue factually. If the backroom was open he would simply look to who voted what and would just resent those individuals.
It's a possibility but I think it's a stretch to say that this is without a doubt what would happen. Also, arguing factually does not mean a person isn't resentful.

Funny story. I was at a tournament where the director said, through a megaphone, "There will be a special melee backroom only dinner after the tournament, ask me for the details" or something along those lines. To me that says it all.
 

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It's a possibility but I think it's a stretch to say that this is without a doubt what would happen.
But thats the entire purpose of hiding the information, right? So that the opinions can be spoken freely without the risk of offending someone.
 

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elitism isn't inherently bad, and is impossible to avoid even without back rooms.
back rooms may be unnecessary, but they're also not hurting anything, so shut the **** up.
 

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It's almost like.. ya maybe you should reveal what you talk about with your family and girlfriend right? I mean it's so elitist that you don't.
 

frotaz37

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elitism isn't inherently bad
Yes, it is, ESPECIALLY if exclusion is a result.

back rooms may be unnecessary, but they're also not hurting anything, so shut the **** up.
Nice to see that 5 year olds still lurk smashboards. Can you keep quiet while grown people are talking, please?

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the backroom creates a bigger social gap between popular smashers and new smashers. Actually, "kidding" is a pretty bad word for this situation. "Lying" is the better term.
 

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Evidently "grown people" are the ones who are better at taking condescending tones to everyone else.
 

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Yes, it is, ESPECIALLY if exclusion is a result.



Nice to see that 5 year olds still lurk smashboards. Can you keep quiet while grown people are talking, please?

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the backroom creates a bigger social gap between popular smashers and new smashers. Actually, "kidding" is a pretty bad word for this situation. "Lying" is the better term.
Umm hello, I'm an MBR member, I'm talking to you right now.. seriously what the hell is wrong with you?

People get together all the time to talk about things because they feel they should.
 

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Yes, it is, ESPECIALLY if exclusion is a result.



Nice to see that 5 year olds still lurk smashboards. Can you keep quiet while grown people are talking, please?

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the backroom creates a bigger social gap between popular smashers and new smashers. Actually, "kidding" is a pretty bad word for this situation. "Lying" is the better term.
But without exclusivity we'd actually have to let idiots like you have a say in things and no one wants that :troll:
 

t3h Icy

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Yes, it is, ESPECIALLY if exclusion is a result.
No it isn't. People aren't all equal, especially in individual things.

Nice to see that 5 year olds still lurk smashboards. Can you keep quiet while grown people are talking, please?
Yes, it is, ESPECIALLY if exclusion is a result.
lol

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the backroom creates a bigger social gap between popular smashers and new smashers.
So what? Some Smashers spend a lot of time with the game, while others are n00bs that just play for fun. There's a gap in real life, so there also ends up being a gap on the boards, and for progressing with rulesets and tier lists, it works better if the folks at the better end of the gap are running and doing things.

You're dumb and should feel dumb.

Also, meat is delicious.
 

frotaz37

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So what?!? The backroom accomplishes the exact opposite of what it claims to be all about. It all comes down to some childish egotistical desire to run **** and feel exclusive.

Also, how meat tastes is irrelevant to the fact that it causes multiple diseases, including the most deadly cancers.

Umm hello, I'm an MBR member, I'm talking to you right now.. seriously what the hell is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with anything. In fact it's so irrelevant to my point that I don't even know why you'd say it. I say that the backroom causes a bigger gap between new smashers and popular smashers, and you say "WELL IM TALKING TO YOU SO YOU MUST BE WRONG"??????

It's amazing that I can be called dumb in a thread where people are saying things like this. Actually it's not really amazing, because what it all comes down to is that you guys simply don't like what I'm saying, and are lashing out.

Like babies.

But hey, keep it up. Says more about you than it does about me.
 

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So what?!? The backroom accomplishes the exact opposite of what it claims to be all about. It all comes down to some childish egotistical desire to run **** and feel exclusive.

Also, how meat tastes is irrelevant to the fact that it causes multiple diseases, including the most deadly cancers.



This has nothing to do with anything. In fact it's so irrelevant to my point that I don't even know why you'd say it. I say that the backroom causes a bigger gap between new smashers and popular smashers, and you say "WELL IM TALKING TO YOU SO YOU MUST BE WRONG"??????

It's amazing that I can be called dumb in a thread where people are saying things like this. Actually it's not really amazing, because what it all comes down to is that you guys simply don't like what I'm saying, and are lashing out.

Like babies.


But hey, keep it up. Says more about you than it does about me.
It's almost as if your repeated ad hominem arguments with no actual facts, information or proof is somehow a giant hypocritical farce, but there's no way that could be, because you youself said you're right and if you're always right you cant possibly be wrong.
 

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Alright. Everyone calm down. I tried to let this thread be a little relaxed since we're waiting on things in the MBR to happen, but from now on off topic spam and flaming is going to get infracted. continue this argument elsewhere.
 

frotaz37

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it's almost as if your repeated ad hominem arguments with no actual facts, information or proof is somehow a giant hypocritical farce, but there's no way that could be, because you yourself said you're right and if you're always right you cant possibly be wrong.
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funny story. I was at a tournament where the director said, through a megaphone, "there will be a special melee backroom only dinner after the tournament, ask me for the details" or something along those lines.
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come on guys. this is a thread where people apply to join the elite.

he doesn't understand, or doesn't agree...he is wrong, lets not derail the thread any further.however, if this thread was nothing more than a purple name joke to begin with, then frotz is probably right.(but thats impossible lol so application commence)


edit: mod ninja'd by jungle.
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