Maybe a potential ledge trick? *vids inside, don't cry*

[zhao_guang]

The b-reversal gives Luigi some space as well too, since if you just did a fireball in the other direction, people who give tons of overall ledge pressure could still get you.

Luigi's b-air is so nice.

 

[hippiedude92]

LMFAO @ a2 RAGING XDD

relax A2, now you can also do it with Mario and create more options as well, so in reality mario still has more options up his sleeve than Luigi so no worries.

but now luigi has the ability to do a bair his best aerial spacer and good against those who love to outspaced, i just need to consistently get breversal done

 

[Pony]

I like to LOL :3

 

[zhao_guang]

B-reversing isn't too hard. I made a stage where there's 4 blocks at the highest possible point, then I just drop off and b-reverse fireballs back and forth. I can go for 20 minutes or so before I get frustrated.

This trick SUCKS online, because b-reversing is so hard to do as quickly as possible. Basically, an Ike can catch you with a f-air <_<

LOL is not so LOL online

 

[PolMex23]

Guys this is really good. Start doing this as your falling from above helps just like snakes nado or c-4 air pivot

 

[yoshq]

how the hell do you do a missile b reverse? is it side b then other direction asap? cuz i keep doing it accidentally.

 

[elheber]

I don't have Brawl in my Wii right now, but I'm pretty sure the only Special that Luigi can B-Reverse is the Fireball. You can Reverse FJP in the air if you tilt your analog up and back but that technically isn't a B-Reversal, and it isn't super useful since he goes straight up anyway.

When you think about it, the Fireball is the only Special Luigi has that would benefit from a B-Reversal anyway. The FJP is released too fast to reverse... imagine doing Up B and then pressing backward to turn it around... it'd take too long, plus it can be instantly reversed by tilting up and back without the pivot animation on the ground. The Luigi Cyclone is pointless to reverse. The Green Missile instantly turns just by tilting back as you press B without any pivot animation on the ground. The Fireball is the only Special that waits for the pivot animation and the only one (other than the Cyclone) that you can't input backwards in the air.

So, to sum it up, the only B-Reversal Luigi has is the Fireball. The rest don't need to be B-Reversed and are better for it.

 

[SuSa]

Wrong on most accounts.

You can B-reverse Missile, it's exactly how you think it is. You mash opposite your momentum quickly after inputting.

You can also input Fireball backwards, very VERY lightly hold back and press B.

I don't think you can actually b-reverse Cyclone due to it being special, but you can b-reverse Up-B

 

[TreK]

You can reverse the cyclone. This is quite good when you run one way then slide back to the opponent, but it still sux as there's no follow up. To know if you B reversed it, watch out for the direction you're facing at the end of the move. I randomly do it when juggled ; sometimes it works sooo...

 

[elheber]

Bah! Your facts are counterproductive to my unsupported beliefs; therefore, I will pretend they were never mentioned. I said good day!

 

[zhao_guang]

Polmex is absolutely right, b-reversing fireballs is a must learn, ESPECIALLY against MKs/Marths/any other good juggling character. That mixed with well timed airdodges will make getting back on the ground easier and we can get back into the match.

Don't try to outprioritze Marth or MK when we're coming from above, it'll just give them free hits. Move away from them while you're coming down, and if they get close, b-reverse the other way and buffer into something when you land.

Basically, learn to not get juggled. It hurts

 

[hippiedude92]

http://allisbrawl.com/video/video.aspx?id=20116

i suxs against marf yayerz

 

[zhao_guang]

Gotcha watch the counter for you use Side B to recover.

Bump so we can think up moar things to do with B-reversing.

 

[luke_atyeo]

you could jump up really high with tornado and then constantly b reverse back and forth on the way down and then whilst your opponent is trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with you, fjp!

or you could not.

 

[LuigiKing]

I actually like luke's idea. It might make the painstaking task of getting back on the stage after recovering high slightly easier.

 

[yoshq]

I actually like luke's idea. It might make the painstaking task of getting back on the stage after recovering high slightly easier.

this is actually an essential trick for pro luigi gameplay. if only it wasn't so d*mn hard to master...

 

[elheber]

I wouldn't use up my Cyclone in the air unless I really had to. I mean, what if I use my Cyclone to go sky high (in order to do the Fireball Reversals) only to get hit sideways with one attack and be left without anything to recover.

I just B-Reverse with Luigi if I'm facing the wrong way before I fireball.

 

[zhao_guang]

B-reversal is sick for avoiding juggles.

 

[TreK]

B reversal is great
I'm trying to spam it in friendlies to get the most out of it, will post a vid when I'll get good at it~~

 

[luke_atyeo]

Being A snake player I use B reversal all the time, and I've found that the easiet way to do it is once you've got your momentum going, return the stick to the neutral position, then hit B and the reverse direction.

somehow that short pause in the neutral position makes it work alot better.

 

[elheber]

What you're talking about, Luke, is not canceling your momentum with DI. Had the fireball special been a Forward B, then you would have tilted the analog back before starting the fireball and canceled your momentum that way. But since it's a Neutral B, you tilt the analog backward after the special started and do not lose momentum. That's what makes it better.

It works a bit differently on the ground though... with the sweet Dash Fireball Reverse. Still the toughest to master... once you can Dash Fireball Reverse, you know you can B Reverse anything anywhere.

 

[ALiAsVee]

I'm not gonna bother reading the whole thread on this, but I've tried this out in some friendlies today after being gone for like two weeks, and it's a viable tactic to mix up your ledge game. Luigi's limited ledge options welcome any wiggle room in getting from the ledge back on stage.

Zhao has done a community justice !

But seriously, this works best for the passive leads when Luigi is hanging on the ledge. I'm referring to the type that wait and bait, rather than run off stage or try to out predict you. In my case, this worked on a Marth who was spacing a tipper on BF. I tried this out, and I managed to avoid the Fair, and come in with a Bair of my own the first time. Subsequently, I got punished for this. On the other times I managed to do it, I mixed up that fireball for a rising cyclone, but I didn't do this on Marth because it would put me in a bad position.

Doing stuff like this is milking the metagame for everything it's worth. Again, any wiggle room for new maneuvers (because I wouldn't call this an AT, per say) are instruments for mindgamez.

ALiAs implemented !

If other people already said what I've said, consider that a compliment that I repeated you.

 

[luke_atyeo]

ahh right my bad, its a neutral move anyway, just forget I said anything
but dash fireball reverse sounds interesting, I'll have to go and find it

 

[elheber]

ahh right my bad, its a neutral move anyway, just forget I said anything
but dash fireball reverse sounds interesting, I'll have to go and find it

No, I wasn't disagreeing with you. In fact, I was agreeing that the fact that it's a neutral special makes it better. And then I explained why it does make it better. You're good, dude.

 

[yoshq]

No, I wasn't disagreeing with you. In fact, I was agreeing that the fact that it's a neutral special makes it better. And then I explained why it does make it better. You're good, dude.

is it useful for momentum cancel?

 

[TreK]

just tested, but with only two hands it's pretty unconsistent (left handed johhhnz). it looks good because it doesn't waste our 2nd jump for an almost equal effect, plus turns us around and our bair is a good defensive tool offstage, plus you can then B reverse another fireball if the guy has something that beats our bair and give yourself some more room.

Better at surviving or not, it's worth learning at non-lethal percents anyway, and if someone with better test stuff than me proves it allows us to survive longer, then okay, Luigi for top tier 8D

 

[luke_atyeo]

is it useful for momentum cancel?

as in trying to survive longer from hits? I dont think so.

its good for baiting, moving out of range and then back in range to punish with a bair (see vid in OP), also useful for avoiding being juggled and punished for landing and what not.

 

[elheber]

is it useful for momentum cancel?

Nah, but you have the Green Missile for that.

 

[zhao_guang]

I'm not gonna bother reading the whole thread on this, but I've tried this out in some friendlies today after being gone for like two weeks, and it's a viable tactic to mix up your ledge game. Luigi's limited ledge options welcome any wiggle room in getting from the ledge back on stage.

Zhao has done a community justice !

But seriously, this works best for the passive leads when Luigi is hanging on the ledge. I'm referring to the type that wait and bait, rather than run off stage or try to out predict you. In my case, this worked on a Marth who was spacing a tipper on BF. I tried this out, and I managed to avoid the Fair, and come in with a Bair of my own the first time. Subsequently, I got punished for this. On the other times I managed to do it, I mixed up that fireball for a rising cyclone, but I didn't do this on Marth because it would put me in a bad position.

Doing stuff like this is milking the metagame for everything it's worth. Again, any wiggle room for new maneuvers (because I wouldn't call this an AT, per say) are instruments for mindgamez.

ALiAs implemented !

If other people already said what I've said, consider that a compliment that I repeated you.

<3 for the wall post. You didn't go back on your word :D :D :D

As I think I've said before, this isn't 100% legit. This can easily be punished if someone sees it coming. However, that can be said for a ton of things in this game. All this does is add a little flare into getting back on the stage, and it keeps them guessing. Say if they had only 3 options to cover, now they have 4. However, it is a ton harder to successfully cover all 4 options than it is to cover all 3.