Maybe a potential ledge trick? *vids inside, don't cry*

[zhao_guang]

After getting ***** for hours by NEO every night, I realized his tipper is too good

....that...doesn't sound right...

In all seriouness, I've realized that getting back on the stage when I'm hanging on the ledge is the hardest thing for me when playing a good Marth or MK, since they can cover rolls, or drop down-ledgehops easily. I was messing around in training mode earlier though, and I found a neat little trick that might be good to mix things up, help space against Marths/MKs and set up for an opening to get back on the edge.

Basically, you jump directly from the ledge and IMMEDIATELY b-turn a fireball away from the stage. It spaces you away and it turns b-air into a great weapon for getting back on the stage. If a Marth wants to cover all the options to make sure you don't make it back on the ledge, he won't pursue you too far. The b-turning will make it so you're just out of his reach, then you can land on the stage and either toss out the b-air, or even buffer into a jab or whatever.

Another thing I forgot to mention in this vid is that you can DOUBLE JUMP anytime after the ledgehop. This could be very useful after you b-turn the fireball, which you could maybe double jump and b-turn towards the stage again, or just jump and tornado or whatever.

Hopefully this will be good as a mindgame, and maybe open up for more ledge options for Luigi

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAq7ctgZ5Rc


EDIT Before you guys flip ****, I'm not saying to use this everytime, I'm saying it's useful to keep Marth's and MK's guessing, and it will mess with their overall dominance of keeping you on the ledge.

 

[iDeo]

Looks really useful.

Can b-turn twice when you jump recover off the ledge? Cause what I'm seeing in my head is that if u b-turn on the 2nd one, it'll go along the stage while u land on the ledge safely.

 

[hippiedude92]

bsticking is good and underrated/used by many players espically luigi i just realized how well this thing works if your walking retreating, and you throw out a bstick to surprise them it works VERY WELL.

 

[AGuyNamedRaf]

This ledge trick seems really useful. I think that people underestimate the fireball way too much. It's not amazing, but it definately gets the job done.

 

[chic]

i was never able to do this... ill try it again

 

[iDeo]

And it makes for good counter attacks if they fall for it to. Hmmmm, I need to get access to a Wii and Brawl fast to try this out. lol, here I am still without Wii and Brawl and I'm still freeloading off my friend. Sux having to wait to college or going to my friends pad to play and practice. No wonder I can't exceed farther in this game, XD.

 

[TreK]

looks punishable =/
But against Marth, everything we have is punishable, so...

I may use it (I already do, just not thought of the double jump), just not against marth, as I don't use Luigi against marth anyway :V

 

[zhao_guang]

I tested this around, and if you do it fast enough, I don't think Marth can get you unless he leaves his zone.

See, if Marth wants to cover all of your ledge recovery options, he has to position himself where he can stop ledgerolls or drop-down ledehops+any attack. This position is too far from the ledgehop+immediate b-turn.

Even if they start to punish it (which they would do for ANYTHING) they'll have to go out of their way to get to it, meaning the previous options (specifically ledge rolls) will become viable again. Basically, this will keep the Marth guessing and put him in an uncomfortable state of mind.

This is a descriptive response to my edit. XD

 

[BigLøu]

Lol thats really cool dude. need a cooler name for it though xD

 

[UberMario]

Maybe "Backhand Fireball?"

Spoiler

BTW, I do that all the time with Fair instead of fireballs.

 

[zhao_guang]

Lol thats really cool dude. need a cooler name for it though xD

well since i found it im gonna name after me. we can name if the zhaoledge pivot

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LMAO, yeah right. I'm not that selfish XD. Something quick and easy to say and has a nice ring to it.

 

[TreK]

LOL : Luigi's Only Ledgetrick

 

[zhao_guang]

LOL : Luigi's Only Ledgetrick

I'm not even joking, I'd second this <_<

Only thing is, this would looked messed in a convo about the marth matchup

"well see you when you're on the edge at first, the safest thing is LOL. LOL frees up space and keeps Marth guessing and puts him in an uncomfortable position. It's kind of a funny trick too. You'll lol when you do LOL because LOL is lol and useful"

<_<

 

[UberMario]

LOL : Luigi's Only Ledgetrick

Are you serious? You can ledge-drop to short hop fireball back to ledge-hop easily.
Plus you can Side B any incoming off-stage opponents.

 

[Geou]

This is really useful; good find. Getting up from the ledge as Luigi has always been a chore, and so having a nice mix-up like this is a life saver. As for a name for it, something simple like Ledgehop Fireball Reversal (FLR) would probably work best.

 

[CR4SH]

I like that alot.

 

[TreK]

"well see you when you're on the edge at first, the safest thing is LOL. LOL frees up space and keeps Marth guessing and puts him in an uncomfortable position. It's kind of a funny trick too. You'll lol when you do LOL because LOL is lol and useful"

gotta say "lol" to that

Are you serious? blah blah blah

rofl, internet.

 

[yoshq]

so to use b sticking with this you would have to set c stick to special then tilt it diagonal for the fireball? or what...

 

[UberMario]

so to use b sticking with this you would have to set c stick to special then tilt it diagonal for the fireball? or what...

I'm pretty sure neutrals aren't possible with the C-stick.

 

[hippiedude92]

the easiest to practice with bsticking is Snake imo. You just basically hit the b button and the opposite direction of your momentum is going at the same exact time. Takes some tech skill to get it perfectly which l'm doing btw, it's opening a whole set of new options and mixups. l just can't believe l didn't think of bsticking lmao

 

[yoshq]

I'm pretty sure neutrals aren't possible with the C-stick.

yeah they are, just have to do it diagonal up

 

[zhao_guang]

It's do-able and much more convenient to do it without c-stick set to B.

 

[yoshq]

so what's this talk about b sticking then? it sounds exciting...

 

[zhao_guang]

Read the topic and watch the vid.

 

[yoshq]

i did, so b sticking is the same as b reversal?

 

[elheber]

What's the difference between the LOL and an RA Fireball when running toward the ledge? Or a regular SH Fireball when running toward the ledge for that matter?

As a sidenote, zhao (*shakes fist*), since you're doing/practicing B-Reversals anyway, have you tried the Dash Reverse Fireball (dash with fireball b-reversal, no dash pivot)? That thing is ****. Try it out. It's balls hard to do.

EDIT: B-Sticking is not the same as B-Reversal. B-Sticking is setting the C-Stick to Special in the control settings... with B-Sticking, you can easily pull offsome neat ATs more easily (such as B-Reversals), at the expense of not being able to Smash with the C-Stick anymore. Lucas has some great B-Sticking ATs.

B-Reversal is doing a Special (almost any special for almost any character) and then immediately tilting/smashing the analog backward. This makes you start your special and instantly turn around. Normally if you wanted to do a fireball backward you'd first have to wait for the pivot animation to end which is slower. This also allows you to Fireball backward in the air.

 

[zhao_guang]

Guess we'll refer to it as LOL now <_<

LOL is done directly from a ledgehop. It's used to space and make b-air an actual tool when trying to get back on stage, not to mention you can double jump with it as well. It's a ledge tactic, nothing more.

I haven't tried that out yet (DRF), I'm trying to get b-sticking down so I can do this consistently. Then I'll give that a shot in training mode

Thnx for the clarification on B-sticking and B-reversal.

 

[elheber]

You don't DRF (I guess that's what it's called now) by B-Sticking since doing a neutral B with the C-Stick is super balls hard. Just try the DRF with your normal controls. You Dash, let go of the Analog and press B for fireball, then tilt Analog back for the B-Reversal. Luigi slides backward as he tosses his fireball backward and there's no pivot animation at all.

The best training for B-Sticking is Lucas. If you can master the Wavebounced Zap-Jump that I love (my tag is Zap when I use Lucas), then you're ready.

 

[zhao_guang]

I just tried it around, most I got in a row was 5 I think. It's pretty easy once you realize how quickly you have to let go of the stick when dashing to avoid a misfire.

I don't know if it would be useful though. It could be a good mindgame, but it's much safer to do it walking. Walking b-reversal is about as easy (for me at least) to do as aerial b-reversals and it still does the same trick as DRF (less slide to it, but less chance of doing a green missile or even just a neutral B if you screw up the timing)

I dunno, I'll **** around with it more to see what else it could do.

 

[hippiedude92]

i just realized bsticking is different from breversal, lol my bads for mix up im so lazy =/

 

[Pony]

LOL : Luigi's Only Ledgetrick

I vote for this.

Srsly.

 

[TreK]

about the b reversal while running, if you want a shorter spacing you could do it by walking, with luigi's traction it works just as well.

 

[MasterKoga]

seems to mix things up a bit from luigi's other ledge garbage

I also vote for LOL even though I'm a nobody with like 16 posts >_>

 

[hippiedude92]

about the b reversal while running, if you want a shorter spacing you could do it by walking, with luigi's traction it works just as well.

I can't seem to pull it off consistently in running compared to walking, might be me but l prefer walking imo.

seems to mix things up a bit from luigi's other ledge garbage

I also vote for LOL even though I'm a nobody with like 16 posts >_>

You'll be a somebody once you keep posting. That's what holds back in this luigi board, people tend to hold back in posting and rather just lurk just simply because they don't know anything, when they might know something which could be useful, and they don't wanna get flamed at or **** like that. We just rather invite new players to keep this board more active.

 

[TheMann]

Looks so smooth. I gonna be trying this out today when I mess around in training mode again.

 

[zhao_guang]

The grounded b-reversal is safer when walking, but the distance is greater when running. Depends what suits your fancy.

I personally find it hard to fast-fall after doing this trick, but it might just be my terrible tech skill. Also, I find double jumping and B-reversing towards the stage can set up against MK.

 

[A2ZOMG]

**** you, you just discovered how to do a B-air ledge getup.

I mean srsly, I do this all the time with Mario. Except by using the Cape. =P

 

[zhao_guang]

Okay? This is for Luigi, irrelevant <_<

 

[A2ZOMG]

Don't mind me, I'm just *****ing because B-air ledge getup was one of the things I hyped that Mario could do that Luigi couldn't.

 

[yoshq]

Don't mind me, I'm just *****ing because B-air ledge getup was one of the things I hyped that Mario could do that Luigi couldn't.

like everyone can do it technically, because b moves can turn u around.