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No offense, but I find it difficult to take your opinion on the matchup too seriously when your knowledge of it is so skewed. Mario's cape is pretty much identical to the way it worked in Melee, except it reverses momentum now too instead of just turning you around. Therefore, it's better.
I wouldn't abuse lasers since cape can reflect them, but I would definitely abuse the CG. Mario's generally easy to grab because of his short range. He can recover from the spike.
Maybe super jump punch + di can get you out of it :D!
If you sweetspot the ledge in Melee, you still protect yourself from being caped the same way, except it's not ******** easy to sweetspot. At pro level, it's the same result.
Superior ledgegame
I agree, Falco's bair is not only dangerous to Mario offstage, but also while he's on the ledge. It really limits his options for getting back onstage from that position if the Falco spaces correctly.
Mario will be living longer though, due to weight and DI and everything, despite both their recoveries being craptastic.
Then Mario will just use the cape AGAIN or FLUDD to stop lasers. I agree that Mario's cape is almost the same as in melee but the only difference is now when someone uses their shield against Mario, He cant turn them while they are in their shield like he could in melee. Oh and in my opinion, brawl cape pushes you further then melees cape did
They are different in the regard that you can get hit by them when we reflect at close range or while offstage. That prevents you from following up behind them just like when Mario tries to follow up after his fireballs and they're reflected.
No offense, but NO ONE CARES ABOUT MELEE. We're talking about facts, not your opinion from brawl to melee or w/e. Cape, brawl and melee are all different, but obviously one of it's main functions it's gimping.
Yep lol water got nuttin dem lazers. I mean simple things like walk to PS aren't that hard to do at all. But just keeping it at human border line just sayin.
True ****. Who brought it up anyways...
That vid was so amazing, I'm gonna go ahead and dig it up for you, lol.
If the match dissolves into one of the many campfests that Brawl breeds, be wary that Mario's ledgegame is fierce. I really don't see Falco being able to effectively challenge it either if Mario gets the lead.
Fludd is actually the most threatening imo. A fully charged Fludd can prevent you from getting an otherwise guaranteed sweetspot on the ledge with phantasm. It also leads directly into a cape gimp if you're close enough offstage. If your aim is ONSTAGE and we fludd you, you'll undoubtedly make your mark, but you'll freefall much longer than usual; long enough for the Mario to run in and do an attack of his choice, save Fsmash or Fair.
You forgot Nair, which is the deadliest of Mario's aerials to Falco offstage. It beats both phantasm and your upb for the entire duration. Mario needs only to throw it out leveled with the stage while you're recovering and he's erected a formidable brickwall-like edgeguard.
Doubtful for 60:40 but probably Falco's advantage wherever the coin lands, mainly because Falco's extremely annoying onstage, especially with a new stock.
lol. is that srs bsns? Can't tell if it's for real or not, but it did made me lol irl. Most of the time where Falco is forced to upb, a simple speededgehog usually does the trick.
Yeah it was mocking all the cape overestimation against falco
Enjoy.
Cape is very slow. Therefore, it never shuts down anyone. It's more of a spacing tool than anything, but it DOES beat every non-disjointed attack since it turns around every non-disjointed attack. My point in bringing that up is that Falco doesn't dominate Mario priority-wise when he has 3 attacks (Usmash, Cape and Fsmash) that have priority to combat yours.
If Mario doesn't gimp Falco, this matchup is undoubtedly Falco's. However, Falco is one of the easiest characters for Mario to gimp. I mean, in that match I linked, every KO Ninjalink nabbed was gimp related. You're almost always in a bad position if you're fludded offstage and almost always KO'd if caped offstage.
Fludd...would wreck short phantasm and firebird WORSE than normal phantasm...how would that help? If the Mario's going out to cape you in the event that his Fludd isn't charged, then it's much easier to trump his gimp options and land safely onstage. If Fludd's charged though...you're in trouble.
Lol. I don't even know what Mario's you would play except for maybe Pierce. I want to agree with you on this MU, but I'm gonna say 50:50. Maybe its 55:45 Falco, but I am sure it is not 60:40 Falco.
