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Both coast's are completely split on what this matchup is. Praxis said that in the BBR, there was a huge debate on it. Mr. R just lost a huge european tourney in GF's to a peach. I believe that it should be looked at discussed by everybody and have the numbers settled for good.
Here's a few reads throughout the past year:
10-23-09
2-26-10marth vs peach:
Most of you have to understand that this matchup isn't that bad for peach, i don't know if its 50:50 or 60:40 i don't know anymore since bone hasn't been around.
The way bone plays the matchup:
Aggressive. Uses fair like no tomorrow to counterattack.
The way praxis plays the matchup:
Camping, running away bairing, turniping.
Which one's better? Neither. Both of them answer marth in their own way but neither accomplishes much. I don't play peach much but i have seen her play enough to say she has potential in the matchup still.
If a peach can mix up between what bone does and praxis, then you'd have a peach to fight a competent marth.as much as these boys out there think it is even, i say it isn't. And i don't care what top players they [play out there with marth. This is about the character first. Then we go on about the players. Characters come first.
Peach can only play marth one way to get at him and have a shot at winning, and that is defensive. If peach players aggressive against marth, she loses. Marth on the other had has 2 ways to play her. Agressive or defensive. Marth can rush her down to keep her from getting turnips. Thus makes it harder to win cause you need them to get a marth. Ninjalink won't let me run away and camp him. Cause he knows this is a good way to get at marth. So he keeps that pressure on me so if i was to try and camp him i get abused for it.
And as for neo, he is the other way around. He will just create this annoying wall to while zoning in and out. So even if i was to get my turnips and have all the space i need. It does not mean **** to what neo does. He can zone in and out to bait or leave an opening.
2 styles against my one style that i have to beat marth. Gimps are not reliable cause if it was that easy, peach would be gimping marths all the time and i would never have to hear about how bad this match up is or all this marth can do. They would just gimp him for easy kills and call it a day.
For peach to beat marth you need a hella lot of patients and good evasion. Also your spacing needs to be up there. Good spacing is not good enough. Great spacing is what you need. Peach also has an annoying wall. That is hard to break through. But marths is just better. And a tricky grab game is even. When i say tricky, i don't mean jab to grab or stuff like that. You actually need to have good reaction time and set up random grabs. Knew when you can go out and grab him. You can ask ninjalink or minty how i do it against them, or anyone who has seen me play.
This fight is not even. This goes to marth. If i was to go and beat all the top marths over and over, i still would not sit here and say peach goes even with marth or counters him. She does not. Reason i got those wins cause i am thinking and not stupid in the match up. I knew how to get at marth. But because of that, the logic of the match up does not change. Marth beats peach.peach has all the tools to space him. A lot of the best marth's and peaches (edrees, bone,, me, and havok) have come down putting it even.marth vs peach is not even, i already had to break this down to you boys already. Marth has the advantage.we have a projectile and he doesn't. He'd need a percent lead to do that. Otherwise, he has the obligation to approach. And he'll eventually reach the ledge; and our fair outranges his.having projectile and him not having one means nothing. Marth has a good rush down game and he can be all over you and limit your uses of turnips.
More can zone in and out to get at you. And it is not that simple to use your fair against his and beat it. Peach fair is 15 frames. Mars fair is 4 frames and he can launch/ 2 of them within a second.
What it is looking like to me is you are relying too much on camping and using that to be the answer for everything. Peach camping is not hard to shut down at all. All these peach dittos i been in and peach camps me and i just shut it down. You can't be depending on that so much or think it is the answer to everything. Cause what if they just shut down your camping (which marth has no problem doing).
Just look at the matches vs havok with you. Look at it really closley and play close attention why you was getting beat. All this that you are going on about, hovak was abusing you for it. I don't know why you are even saying this.
3-16-10to be honest, i am slightly disappointed with marth only moving up one spot on the tier list, especially since he beats 30 out of 37 characters, ties with four, and loses to three. However, i am happy with the class rank he is in, so i guess it balances itself out. Like xyro said, thank you shaya for the release of the new tier list and all the hard work you put into it.marth is an interesting case. The thing is, even though he beats most of the cast, he beats all of the ones that, well, don't matter as much. The remaining seven you list are basically the entirety of s and a tier + dedede; every character you're likely to actually play against in tournament.
Also, peach runs even with marth.is that your opinion, or is that fact?is there any fact in this game?
It's generally accepted on the wc. Edrees and i know the matchup very well, and have both played against mikehaze, havok, and zex, all of whom agree on the matchup being even.
My understanding is that neo and dark.pch think it's 80:20 marth or something and most of ec considers marth a peach counter. It was a big argument in the bbr, since all of ec players found the concept that they might be even unheard of. One of the coasts is doing it very wrong, lol.
West Coast is of the mindset that Marth vs. Peach is even. MikeHaze agrees with this, and WC has far more Peaches than we do.Marth vs Peach is blatantly in Marth's favor
4-7-10
Oct 22, 09i still don't understand why marth vs peach is being debated as close?
Mr-r have you even sat down and analyzed the tools available to you in the mu or do you just claim it's close because you lose it lol
think about what your character has available to you to counter what peach has available to her and what she can do to stop your tools in comparison to what you can do to stop hers before you just decide match ups are even because you lose them
i lost to ally - marth still ***** snake
back when i lost to june's dk a year ago, - marth still ***** dk
just because you lose a mu doesn't mean it's close >_>
Praxis (Peach) vs Havok (Marth) MM
Oct 24, 09
Trio3 (Marth) Vs Siri (Peach) 1
Trio3 (Marth) Vs Siri (Peach) 2
Jan 3, 10
Iris (Marth) vs Ankoku (Peach) 1
Iris (Marth) vs Ankoku (Peach) 2
Iris (Marth) vs Ankoku (Peach) 3
Iris (Marth) vs Ankoku (Peach) 4
Mar 18, 10 (Tourney)
Nike (Marth) vs Castro (Peach) 1
Nike (Marth) vs Castro (Peach) 2
Nike (Marth) vs Castro (Peach) 3
Nike (Marth) vs Castro (Peach) 4
May 14, 10 (Tourney)
Leon (Peach) vs Mr.R (Marth) 1
Leon (Peach) vs Mr.R (Marth) 2
Leon (Peach) vs Mr.R (Marth) 3
May 17, 10 (Tourney)
Silly Kyle (Peach) vs BloodHawk (Marth) 1
Silly Kyle (Peach) vs BloodHawk (Marth) 2
Silly Kyle (Peach) vs BloodHawk (Marth) 3