Match-Up Discussion #21! Pikachu

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Guys Pika can do crazy **** offstage includind Side-B'ing off the edge, Nairing you, Side-B'ing back and using Up-B to get back on the stage. Bair is also good offstage, even though it kinda sucks in general. I know this from watching Anther don't say I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

[illinialex24]

Guys Pika can do crazy **** offstage includind Side-B'ing off the edge, Nairing you, Side-B'ing back and using Up-B to get back on the stage. Bair is also good offstage, even though it kinda sucks in general. I know this from watching Anther don't say I don't know what I'm talking about.

Lol, you played Anther?? Good stuff. Yeah, Pikachu is pretty decent off-stage, his nair ***** off the ledge, but just be smart.

 

[Scissors Sir]

I love fighting marth with pika

I loved it in melee and I still love it in brawl

 

[_Kadaj_]

fthrow fthrow spike anyone?

 

[ZHMT]

fthrow fthrow spike anyone?

This works on Pika? LOL

 

[BacklashMarth]

fthrow fthrow spike anyone?

When i saw this the first thing that popped into my head was "melee" , but eh i never grab pikachu's near the edge much anyway so how should i know?

 

[ZHMT]

I think Pika can quick attack back to the stage after a dair. But it still puts him in a really bad position, so its worth doing it I guess.

 

[Scissors Sir]

kadaj let's get some matches at BTYF this weekend

 

[ChaosKnight]

This works on Pika? LOL

it works on alot of characters you would be surprised you think it wouldnt work on

 

[_Kadaj_]

cool sir hopefully i can make it

and to all the marths yes it works oooooooo soo good

after they land on the stage with their up b then its a free attack or reverse grab if your fast enough or their close enough.

same with sheik except you can ALWAYS reverse grab her after the spike

 

[Remzi]

cool sir hopefully i can make it

and to all the marths yes it works oooooooo soo good

after they land on the stage with their up b then its a free attack or reverse grab if your fast enough or their close enough.

same with sheik except you can ALWAYS reverse grab her after the spike

Sheik is extremely vulnerable to a footstool after the fthrow, fthrow, spike.

 

[_Kadaj_]

it's risky if you miss

 

[C.box]

http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=12810&page=1

http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=12810&page=1

Btw, these were posted by michael hey who was the one who posted the pikachu cgs originally.

 

[Doomblaze]

http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=12810&page=1

I have a lot of trouble believing that these exist, but if they do then ill be happy =D (and michael heys is legit, so i can hope)
Can somebody test these and post a video of how to do them if they work? ZMT doesnt think they do, but i dont think that weve explored buffering grabs until now.


On second thought, weve been moving away from the pikachu matchup havent we? so...
can we prove that this--> down throw x 10 > forward step cancel into forwardsmash tipper (53%) <--- exists?

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

If there isn't a video of him doing against a human then I don't believe it.

 

[ViCTORiOUSViC]

for some reason that combo sounds difficult

 

[WinjaSauce]

Marth outranges most of Pika's attacks with his tilts/smashes, except for maybe pika's fsmash, b, skull bash, etc. So, i think that Marth has an advantage, seeing as longer ranged aerials, tech chase, and longer-ranged attacks can beat pika. I usually don't have too much trouble with pikas.. but.. thunder can screw up shorthopped approach, and can edgeguard =/. I'd say 60/40 Marth.

 

[Scissors Sir]

punishment divine u live in NY so we need to play soon

I'm in Queens

 

[Pr0phetic]

punishment divine u live in NY so we need to play soon

I'm in Queens

Hey Scissors been awhile, what part of Queens you live in.

 

[Scissors Sir]

Hey Scissors been awhile, what part of Queens you live in.

I'm in Saint Albans

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

60/40 sounds about right. marth can outspace him and shut down his fsmash with downB (im pretty sure it comes out faster?)

 

[ViCTORiOUSViC]

can dtilt outrange pikachu's fsmash?

 

[BBoyindo]

60/40 sounds about right. marth can outspace him and shut down his fsmash with downB (im pretty sure it comes out faster?)

Counter may come out faster, but you can't react immediatly. It would be godly then, since you could counter almost every move in the game then. I don't know where you got that idea from, but it's better to shield and punish with DB. Counter is extremely unsafe.

 

[Punishment Divine]

punishment divine u live in NY so we need to play soon

I'm in Queens

Aight.

I have a ton of Pika practice lol. Phear mah skillz in the matchup.

Are you going to APEX? Or would you be interested in coming to the next Castle Golf?

 

[Scissors Sir]

yeah im going to apex

And not to sound cocky but i "phear" no one lol

 

[Rizk18]

MU is outdated and needs to be discussed again.

 

[Nike.]

ESAM believes this is even. Idk how PikaPika does against marths (he uses meta now too). K Prime usually beats me. I could see the argument based on results but not by theory.

Alot of MU's are gonna be talked about most likely when the BBR comes out with their big project MU chart and the masses argue all the ratios lol.

 

[PEACE7]

I think it might be even as well. And teching is really important in this MU if the pikachu knows how to QUACK lock it can cost us some damage if we don't ground tech a fall or whatever.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

pikachu has gone from a glass cannon (melee) into just being a straight up mini gun (brawl). good combos, incredible mindgamez, obviously a good grab game, and that qac into nair can be killer. however since i don't really frequent these boards ima stop there as my opinion not really gonna matter too much

 

[Xinc]

Whatever you do, don't ever end up above a Pikachu, maintain your spacing. Close but not too close. Keep some surprises for that pika.