MasterShake
Smash Lord
bthrow gets marth on platforms (highish percent) dthrow gets him off stage, combos into fsmash if they DI it super bad and I think you can gimmick dthrow into sideb combo.
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Marth vs __________ Help.
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Archangel
Smash Hero
By the way the off the ledge Side-B spike is something Kizzu started going for first. I mean it was known about but back in like 06 nobody went off the ledge for risky/rewarding/epic ****. Only the Brazilians...cuz they don't give a ****!
PolishSmash
Smash Journeyman
Hey guys I'm trying to learn dash dance and wavedash to JC grab. I practice against a Peach and I don't care if I lose I just try to do that all game practicing under pressure. I get some chain grabs in there but I have problems with the Turnips. If I'm in a dash dance and hes holding a turnip what do I do? How am I suppose to get past the turnip? Is my spacing just wrong? Thanks.
OverLord
Smash Ace
Fair the turnip.
Archangel
Smash Hero
or if you are feeling fancy catch it and toss it back.
PolishSmash
Smash Journeyman
Oh you can press A to catch it out of a dash dance? Ight I'll try that
Archangel
Smash Hero
typically I'll Short hop out of Dash dance catch it and toss it back. Only on good days though
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PolishSmash
Smash Journeyman
Ohh haha, k thankstypically I'll Short hop out of Dash dance catch it and toss it back. Only on good days though
Archangel
Smash Hero
your welcome 
Shadow Huan
Smash Champion
it can really screw with a peach players head if you stand still and catch about half of the turnips they throw. No dash dancing, no wavedashing, not even a jump. Just stand and catch, THEN go nuts and return fire. Mindgames~
besides catching the turnips, you should learn how to get around them. A good peach player can alter how they are sending the turnips at you and mix it up, making catching them less effective... She's got a limited number of angles she can throw them at: keep her guessing
also keep in mind that as marth you have the advantage against peach, especially if she's holding a turnip. You should always be threatening her zone, just outside of your tipper range but just out of range of peach's silly push and blender dsmash. The reason i say this is because, honestly, the easiest way to deal with peach's turnips is to punish her for pulling them in the first place. While she's pulling you have enough time to punish her in a vulnerable position...
\ramble
besides catching the turnips, you should learn how to get around them. A good peach player can alter how they are sending the turnips at you and mix it up, making catching them less effective... She's got a limited number of angles she can throw them at: keep her guessing
also keep in mind that as marth you have the advantage against peach, especially if she's holding a turnip. You should always be threatening her zone, just outside of your tipper range but just out of range of peach's silly push and blender dsmash. The reason i say this is because, honestly, the easiest way to deal with peach's turnips is to punish her for pulling them in the first place. While she's pulling you have enough time to punish her in a vulnerable position...
\ramble
MasterShake
Smash Lord
Marth sucks throwing turnips. Just drop them instead, no lag.
Shadow Huan
Smash Champion
well yes, that's safer to do in certain situations. Marth can get a combo off of a turnip but it depends on the stage and your placement on the stage and where peach gets knocked to. if your close enough to her that you don't have time to toss it back it's indeed best to drop it and hope she can't nair you while you're in the air. ehhh i like fighting peach but she can be such a pain lol. so many options
PolishSmash
Smash Journeyman
Hey can I get some Marth critiquing? Thanks
http://www.twitch.tv/robinhooodgfx/b/303723199
Skip to 10:40
http://www.twitch.tv/robinhooodgfx/b/303723199
Skip to 10:40
Archangel
Smash Hero
Hmmm what's weird is you kind of play like a lvl 9 computer :D
in a rush I'll add critique later
PolishSmash
Smash Journeyman
Ok thanks man I'm looking forward to it. It's cause I just recently took smash competitively and I have a lot to learn to catch up. I already know how to wavedash and dash dance decently but I still don't L -cancel and stuff like that. So critiquing would help meHmmm what's weird is you kind of play like a lvl 9 computer :D
in a rush I'll add critique later
Archangel
Smash Hero
I notice that. I will tell you like someone once told me. You aren't yet at the level to be critiqued. It would be unfair to you if I tried to critique you on the same level of the more experienced.Ok thanks man I'm looking forward to it. It's cause I just recently took smash competitively and I have a lot to learn to catch up. I already know how to wavedash and dash dance decently but I still don't L -cancel and stuff like that. So critiquing would help me
However, I can advice you to work on l-canceling separately. Try using the Z button for aerials if you are having a heard time with the motions of pressing A then L. Before you try mixing all of them together try to do them all separate and mastering each technique alone. Wavedashing out of shield is also something you should practice. If Rolling is your only option the higher level players will eat you alive. You don't want to get into the habit of just walking to the opponent either. If there is distance between you close it safely or wait for an opening. The falco player isn't that threatening but as you play better people you will learn that walking straight forward and Fsmashing is possibly the most predictable and most punishable thing you could do.
Shadow Huan
Smash Champion
don't take this the worng way mind you, but i was expecting more from a "amazing best falco in the world" than standing lasers ect lol...
What spam said, get the basics down before you try applying them together.
I see that you live in new york: if it's anywhere near N.Y.C. hit up some of the players in that area, a lot of them are friggen' AMAZING *coughhax-jman-g$-ectectectcough* they'll get you on the right track. as strange as it sounds, getting your rear handed to you by really good players will improve you whether you realize it or not
What spam said, get the basics down before you try applying them together.
I see that you live in new york: if it's anywhere near N.Y.C. hit up some of the players in that area, a lot of them are friggen' AMAZING *coughhax-jman-g$-ectectectcough* they'll get you on the right track. as strange as it sounds, getting your rear handed to you by really good players will improve you whether you realize it or not
Archangel
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnfimB7wmE
I'll post this here as well I guess. Maybe it'll help some in the MU...maybe not. Samus players got very good in the past year or so...basically My Bro is trying to re-learn the MU now since we use to play it ALL the time.
I'll post this here as well I guess. Maybe it'll help some in the MU...maybe not. Samus players got very good in the past year or so...basically My Bro is trying to re-learn the MU now since we use to play it ALL the time.
Bing
Smash Master
Yeah walking up and f-smashing is terrible, especially when they learn how to power shield properly.
Ill put in a proper crituqe later when I can actually watch the video.
Ill put in a proper crituqe later when I can actually watch the video.
Archangel
Smash Hero
talking about polish's vid or mine? I am slow...
Shadow Huan
Smash Champion
spam are you posting that video for people to critque it or for people who don't know how to fight samus to learn some tricks? lol
Archangel
Smash Hero
Either or. Those who don't know can learn as much as I know and those who might know more...please feel free to share.spam are you posting that video for people to critque it or for people who don't know how to fight samus to learn some tricks? lol
Shadow Huan
Smash Champion
i only have a vauge idea of how to fight samus tho lol (if my pools set against Yong ever gets uploaded i'll share it)
there's a few things i saw that you could work on but it's not MU stuff. For example on the FoD match those high ledge jumps are extremely unsafe, he could've easily nailed you with a well timed missle. That's all i have since i can't pause the videos on my dinosaur phone
you've improved a lot tho good stuff
there's a few things i saw that you could work on but it's not MU stuff. For example on the FoD match those high ledge jumps are extremely unsafe, he could've easily nailed you with a well timed missle. That's all i have since i can't pause the videos on my dinosaur phone
you've improved a lot tho good stuff
Beat!
Smash Master
Never ever lose your patience against Samus and you should be fine. Just keep juggling and hitting her back off stage. It doesn't matter if she dies at 170% if you don't take any/only take a little damage while getting her there.
You can be pretty offensive when edge guarding, but don't fsmash if it won't kill her. Dtilt is better. Going off stage is good as well.
If you deny her grapple recovery and hit her back off stage, you should start looking for edge hog opportunities.
Don't space poorly or you'll get ****ed up.
You can be pretty offensive when edge guarding, but don't fsmash if it won't kill her. Dtilt is better. Going off stage is good as well.
If you deny her grapple recovery and hit her back off stage, you should start looking for edge hog opportunities.
Don't space poorly or you'll get ****ed up.
Archangel
Smash Hero
I hate to fight samus on big stages like Dreamland because....she can live for too long under the right conditions. I almost refuse to play on FD though. I like the platforms too much in the MU.
OverLord
Smash Ace
FD is coooool against Samus.
She just like, get comb'd and die.
She just like, get comb'd and die.
Shadow Huan
Smash Champion
on FD a smart samus can create a barrage for you to work around and punish you for a sloppy approach\movement. If you get past then yeah, she's got nowhere to go and if you space properly and don't get greedy (which is why i lost to yong) then you'll be fine. I'm strange in that i tend to like big stages as marth; small stages aren't always to his advantage.
Archangel
Smash Hero
the same could be done to you though. No platforms means no escape and no tilt/aerial abuse.
I agree. Still in a wide open nowhere to hide stage you have to beat samus in the head to head. It's winnable and in your favor but one mistake and suddenly samus beats the **** out of you or spams you to death.on FD a smart samus can create a barrage for you to work around and punish you for a sloppy approach\movement. If you get past then yeah, she's got nowhere to go and if you space properly and don't get greedy (which is why i lost to yong) then you'll be fine. I'm strange in that i tend to like big stages as marth; small stages aren't always to his advantage.
I like Big stages with platforms
Bing
Smash Master
If I not mistaken is the Powershield edge hog(The Marth Killer) be good against Samus? similar recoveries in that its mostly straight up and that even if they go past the ledge and Di onto the stage, the lag should be enough to get a grab or some form of a abuse.
Also, fair and nair are my best friend <3
Also, fair and nair are my best friend <3
You are mistaken.
1) Grapple is usually better to recover with, making the powershield edgehog useless
2) Samus has multiple hitboxes on her UpB which is probably going to hit you before you reach the edge
Even if Samus does land on stage and Marth has the edge, Marth can't really punish Samus very hard from that position.
1) Grapple is usually better to recover with, making the powershield edgehog useless
2) Samus has multiple hitboxes on her UpB which is probably going to hit you before you reach the edge
Even if Samus does land on stage and Marth has the edge, Marth can't really punish Samus very hard from that position.
Bing
Smash Master
hmm, I figured the invisibility frames would be enough?
Regardless, generally d-tilt works...
Regardless, generally d-tilt works...
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Mahie
Smash Lord
He's a PAL player though so that situation doesn't scare him much, maybe that's why he omitted it.
Niko45
Smash Master
Is Marth's on stage dair different in Pal too?
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Anybody have any tips vs Peach? The only thing I can do is play gay as ****. How hard/how good is it to grab turnips?
Mahie
Smash Lord
I don't think there's any difference apart from the fact that you can meteor cancel it. Rebounds and stuff are the same. Or at least, look the same.Is Marth's on stage dair different in Pal too?
Regarding Peach : I don't think grabbing turnips is a good options as marth. Powershielding them , however, really ***** their whole Turnip > Float&Wait > Fair thing. Since turnips come from above most of the time, just crouch then shield and you should be able to PS them with a bit of practice.
Or just slash through them.
Beat!
Smash Master
Well, it sends at a sligthtly different angle, being a meteor smash, which I guess could make a difference in some situations. And like, if you're doing it from really high up, your opponent can MC it before they hit the ground haha. None of those happen very often at all though, and I don't think there are any other differences.Is Marth's on stage dair different in Pal too?
dat ninja
Bait dash attacks from Peach and punish with grabs and stuff. When she stops doing them you can start doing aerials and stuff.
Also, be super patient.
mers
Smash Ace
Marth boards: who is ILM? Should I know about this guy? He's in my pool, but I've never heard of him (other than some youtube vids showing he plays Marth).