Snakeee
Smash Master
Oh ok thanks jman, it doesnt really look like that lol. Hey nobody answered me about spiking Mario though -_-
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Randizzle
Smash Ace
if you ken combo correctly, he doesn't have a chance of hitting you before you spike.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Can't "he" still meteor cancel?
Randizzle
Smash Ace
dair isn't a meteor unless you're in PAL. so no meteor canceling out of the ken combo.
Snakeee
Smash Master
Hmm, I don't know then because it was a problem I had when I was very new to the tourney scene. I have only played one really good Mario since then and I didn't really have a chance to spike him. I guess it's not a problem then thanks.
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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so ya i suck at this game a lot...i feel a little more understanding to UMBC's fsmash spam too..since i regressed to it against a few players who were worse than me...why screw with what works:\ especially when you're nervous..but it's a bad style to adopt
anyways most of these matches are really bad
but that's not why i want to send them in person..i haven't been given permission to upload them yet and i don't feel like waiting for critiques
the one that i'm least ashamed of is the vs c. falcon one..that one seems to be closest to what my normal skill level is...still lots of mistakes but not overwhelmingly so..the vs falco one that EL critiqued was probably the worst..though in the vs link and vs y link ones i'm a lot more spammy with the fsmash than i ought to be..sigh it's depressing..but anyways i have to show these to someone regardless of how much i hate them..if nothing else hopefully a critique will drill it into my head not to do some of these stupid things..many of which iknow are wrong, yet continue to do..especially under pressure.
i notice i tend to spam follow up moves at the wrong times....particularly i tend to dfair people's shields too much at times...they are spaced so i'm not too worried..i guess i'm trying to tag them if they jump out? but it looks really bad
also i sometimes miss noticing my opponents position...like trying to come down on top of a dsmashing y. link with a fair instead of a dair and getting hit by the second hit of the dsmash to die.
anyways, msg me sometime on aim and i'll add you
paladin5810
and of course eventually i'll add all of this to a critique thread if they ever post the crews
anyways most of these matches are really bad
but that's not why i want to send them in person..i haven't been given permission to upload them yet and i don't feel like waiting for critiques
the one that i'm least ashamed of is the vs c. falcon one..that one seems to be closest to what my normal skill level is...still lots of mistakes but not overwhelmingly so..the vs falco one that EL critiqued was probably the worst..though in the vs link and vs y link ones i'm a lot more spammy with the fsmash than i ought to be..sigh it's depressing..but anyways i have to show these to someone regardless of how much i hate them..if nothing else hopefully a critique will drill it into my head not to do some of these stupid things..many of which iknow are wrong, yet continue to do..especially under pressure.
i notice i tend to spam follow up moves at the wrong times....particularly i tend to dfair people's shields too much at times...they are spaced so i'm not too worried..i guess i'm trying to tag them if they jump out? but it looks really bad
also i sometimes miss noticing my opponents position...like trying to come down on top of a dsmashing y. link with a fair instead of a dair and getting hit by the second hit of the dsmash to die.
anyways, msg me sometime on aim and i'll add you
paladin5810
and of course eventually i'll add all of this to a critique thread if they ever post the crews
Knowledge is half the battle...
>_>
anyway if u realize ure flaws continually play trying to cut out a habit ONE AT A TIME
if you can see your own flaw a good opponent will obviously see it
if u think u spam f-smash try to use it only for a finisher try d-tiliting sheilds Dash dancing around them and waiting to either punish with a grab or if they jump try to chase them and like u-tilt? or f-air i guess
but yea its good to see where ure flaws lie just practice and try to give yourself restrictions so you wont spam it so often
>_>anyway if u realize ure flaws continually play trying to cut out a habit ONE AT A TIME
if you can see your own flaw a good opponent will obviously see it
if u think u spam f-smash try to use it only for a finisher try d-tiliting sheilds Dash dancing around them and waiting to either punish with a grab or if they jump try to chase them and like u-tilt? or f-air i guess
but yea its good to see where ure flaws lie just practice and try to give yourself restrictions so you wont spam it so often
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
What is the most effective way of pressuring people's shields?
D-tilt, forward b, or just flat out grab?
D-tilt, forward b, or just flat out grab?
Randizzle
Smash Ace
well spaced lcanceled aerials into dtilt is good and grabs are good.
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
Are there any uses for non-FF'd f-airs?
LouisStevens722
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No one ever answered my Q earlier so I figured I'd ask again. I'm not talking about powershielding or anything to clarify. I just meant what the most respected method of grabbing LA-RA, or Z? I'm having a hard time on my LA grabs cause they're harder to pull off, and moving my fingers to z preparing for a grab just throws off my mental game, so I was wondering what I should be working on?
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
Use LA/RA for shieldgrabbing only. That being, when you have your shield up, press A to grab.
Z is better for all-purpose grabbing.
Helpful hint: press X immediately before running grabs because it makes the grab come out faster.
Z is better for all-purpose grabbing.
Helpful hint: press X immediately before running grabs because it makes the grab come out faster.
ArcNatural
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Personal preference, I used to shield, tech, grab, and wavedash with R. And L-cancel with L. Now I shield, tech, grab, and L-cancel with L, and wavedash with R. Makes it easier for me to wavedash in shield (which is the whole reason why I decided to do it). A few of my friends only use R waveshielding and all. Just comes down to personal preference. L or R is fine for grabbing from a shield. Almost any other grab is most common to JC grab using Jump (up, X, or Y) then Z to grab.
knightpraetor
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hey people, someone tell me what they like to use for throws on link at different percentages. do you just fthrow chain early then techchase dthrow..or do you like certain things out of upthrow..i think i was mistiming when to move after throwing link today so i'm not sure what i could do..i feel like if they di away before 20 or so you can't do anything..then after that uptilt or fair depending on if they choose to jump out...i think if thy don't di at low damages they can just nair on you before the uptilt comes out?
anyways i'm just wondering where if anywhere the upthrow is good on link besides for getting them on platforms
oh and any general link advice would be nice
anyways i'm just wondering where if anywhere the upthrow is good on link besides for getting them on platforms
oh and any general link advice would be nice
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
Waveshield or jump over them with f-airs. idk, theres a thread on it.
Could you link it please?
knightpraetor
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it's sticked on the top of the page...also for those who were interested...vs link..upthrow is nigh useless..in all honesty the throw game as a whole isn't nearly as good against link..try to get him in the air and juggle him if you can...but usually not with an upthrow...if you're lucky you can get some damage at mid percents using upthrow if they don't full di and jump away...at high percents maybe...and of course it's always good to get them on platforms above you.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
In general you use the up throw just to put Link above you, not to actually combo him out of it. Use it a few times and see if he jumps out of it. If he doesn't then uptilt him for some easy juggles. If he Dis and jumps then just chase him with some fairs or uairs. Link's priority below him is not very good and Marth's uair gets through everything Link can do in that position.
knightpraetor
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ya that's what i meant...unfortunately at low mid percents link with full di and jump away can touch down before you can chase unless you began the chase immediately sa you threw..in which case he should still be able to jump the other direction away relatively easily..it's just not nearly as guaranteed as techchasing on fd i think
UMBC Super Smasher
Smash Lord
Link can dair marth after the uthrow before the utilt, so be careful when utilting. If he dairs, then dash away then dash back in to grab again. The utilt might still work depending on the percentage and spacing, but it's rather risky. I'd rather not put marth's utilt vs Link's dair.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
I guess I wasn't clear in my post, but I meant at medium percentages. At low percentages then I really don't use Marth's throws on him at all.
I personally have no problem using Marth's up tilt to beat Link's dair, but I don't try the up tilt in the first place if Link's still close enough to hit me after I throw him.
Snakeee
Smash Master
Sometimes if Link tries to Dair after my up throw I use the counter...Hey it works.
Boat Mode
Smash Journeyman
Should I use a,z, or c stick to use aerials?
watever is comfortable to you
however its recommended u use the c-stick for more control
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
People have told me to work on my approach, but my friend says that Marth isn't supposed to approach, but he's supposed to bait his opponents into attacking, and then grabbing them.
Which one is true? It confuses me.
Which one is true? It confuses me.
u shouldnt stick to either one
baiting is very good but with no approach characters like sheik can easily camp you
it depends on the situation approaching recklessly will get you hurt
trying to bait all the time will get u camped
its a good mix that is the best way to play
Rex+
Smash Ace
You have to mix it up. Be unpredictable. Mindgame your opponent.
This leads to many successful Marth players, you know.
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
Ah, okay. I'm also guessing Marth's approaches can work for setting up grabs as well?
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lol marth's d-tilt is good for setting up a baiting oppurtunities and stuff
i think well spaced approaches are devastating to other characters especially like fox who cant compete in range or even peach who has worse range and speed >_>
i think well spaced approaches are devastating to other characters especially like fox who cant compete in range or even peach who has worse range and speed >_>
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
Yeah, haha. I've noticed d-tilt to grab works kinda well, but I've never tested it on a human yet, so I'm not sure.
its kinda hard to space it well sometimes and its not bad to just do it on a shield then run away ive done it and ive seen others do it its like an annoying tactic lol
i love playing marth defensive cuz im not as technical as i can be with marth with my spacing
although i think aggressive marths are just out right scary.... thats y i have sheik
cuz she gays marth so good 
brawlpro
Smash Master
At what % can you utilt a fox then grab him again.
i believe around mid 20% - high 30% or mid 40%(w/o full DI right or left)
anything else i think is in the range of a F-smash
xyouxarexuglyx2
Smash Lord
How effective does non-FF'd f-air work as an approach? (Like, you know, for spacing)
Well, what I do is I do a spaced f-air, and then I just FF and L-cancel after that so there's not any wasted airtime.
Well, what I do is I do a spaced f-air, and then I just FF and L-cancel after that so there's not any wasted airtime.
not too well honestly unless your opponent is in the air
its REALLY hard to space them cuz w/o FF u remain in the air still and ure options at that point would be to either do another aerial
or to double jump
both can lead to bad places
the only thing i would ever do with non FF f-airs would be retreating with them cuz then your opponent is coming after you and you create a wall of swords in his face
yea.. basically FF f-air are more effective for rare combo situations multi-aerials are helpful though
brawlpro
Smash Master
Vs space animals is fthrow > dtilt a good way to start a match?
i would f-throw -> up-throw at VERY low percentages
other wise use the d-throw to tech chase if they tech if not its almost an automatic tipper
brawlpro
Smash Master
I mean at like 0%, if i dthrow they won't be able to tech, right?
btw Teczro, ty for teh help.
btw Teczro, ty for teh help.
np dude
at 0 - 5ish i would f-throw into regrab for up-throws its usually effective because sometimes very low percent CG is difficult
and yea they can tech it though but its usually apparent to where they will go and if they dont its so ****
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