Mario's Down Tilt

[ChivalRuse]

It helps you recover ...

Oh wait.

 

[G.L.]

luigi dash attack sucks pretty bad. sheiks chain mabey?

 

[Hydro_Smasher]

inb4 Hbox, Jigg's bair. it sucks so bad

 

[Silent Wolf]

It apologizes.

Top 5 worst moves in Melee (moves that are unlikely to do you any good in tourney setting)?

1. Mario Down Tilt
2. Falcon F-throw
3. Ganon Nair/Uptilt
4. Roy Jab
5. Ness PK Flash

idk. Discuss!

im pretty sure pichus dash attack is worse than all of those.

 

[Stratford]

luigi dash attack sucks pretty bad. sheiks chain mabey?

M2K disagrees.

Also I've seen Armada use Peach utilt.

 

[Ryzol_]

Pichu's fsmash - has no range, hurts himself, if he hits with it you can SDI out.

 

[username12345678]

Pichu's fsmash - has no range, hurts himself, if he hits with it you can SDI out.

true. the range sucks. most jabs out range it. its a decent edge guarding tool though

 

[Kason Birdman]

anything kirby besides his utilt and maybe 2 other moves.. maybe not though.

I also agree with peach side b. ffs. so bad lol. and also agree with oil panic, luigi dash, everything that has been generally accepted here to suck ****.

Lol@ ganon nair.
I told saux to stop nairing. He insists its hella good.

 

[Steelia]

Roy's jab? u srs?
u
srs?

Also, Ganon's nair... Everything makes sense now.

Voting for Mewtwo's jab to take the place of Roy's.

 

[The Star King]

Mewtwo's jab can be used for resetting. Seen Taj do it. Next.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

kirby's dash attack. unless you count boost grabbing a use for it.

 

[pooopy]

falcon's f-throw, while often done on accident is tech chaseable unlike b-throw, imo b-throw is worse since it throws them not so far and at an upward projectory

although you can do the n00b pwner next to the edge which is b-throw turn around up-tilt

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It helps you recover ...

Oh wait.

Well, you are half right. Farore's Wind has a longer range than Vanish, so while using Sheik, you might have to briefly switch to Zelda if Vanish can't do the job.

 

[CloneHat]

im pretty sure pichus dash attack is worse than all of those.

Hits below the edge, it's an edgeguarding tool. Even though it's weak, it will still hit them back offstage if you can't reach them with anything else in time.

 

[-ACE-]

Yeah ganon's nair is pretty bad. I know some ganons love it and talk about the possibility of landing both hits off bad di, but really you could just uair which is almost always safer, and if they're going to di incorrectly you can usually get another uair in (sometimes even a fair) in a lot of characters. More damage and you're usually in a better position to follow up/keep the pressure on them.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Ganondorf's n-air isn't that useless, since the first hit has some manageable knockback, and is less laggy than the f-air.

 

[-ACE-]

I wouldn't go with useless, but the kb and "priority" aren't anything to write home about. If it wasn't for uair there would be a lot more situations where it could be useful though.

 

[linkoninja]

Luigi's Dash attack
and his down tilt?

 

[BigD!!!]

luigi's dash attack has gotta be the worst, unless you somehow knock them off the level with it its a free hit for the other guy if you hit with it, even if they dont cc

i routinely use falcons fthrow by the edge when i expect people will DI away and i wont be able to follow anything anyway

roy's jab is pretty decent as part of his making a wall game

ganon's nair combos marth after dthrow, not great but way better than luigis dash attack or kirby's nair or stuff like that

jiggs ftilt?

 

[Codi]

luigi's taunt?

 

[BigD!!!]

cant count taunts, cause then they'd all be worse than luigi's

 

[Shadic]

Luigi's Down-Angled Ftilt.

 

[Stratford]

As for Falco's fair, PP makes use of it.

I agree with Ness dsmash.

And Kirby's nair... anyone got a use for that?

 

[-ACE-]

cant count taunts, cause then they'd all be worse than luigi's

To me, luigi's taunt is in a different category because it actually has a hitbox.

 

[linkoninja]

To me, luigi's taunt is in a different category because it actually has a hitbox.

its still a taunt though, meaning it shouldn't be counted.

 

[-ACE-]

its still a taunt though, meaning it shouldn't be counted.

Says who? Is having a hitbox not enough? I have a feeling that if there was ONE top level luigi (one that posted vids and got popular) that used the taunt as an edgeguard to set up for gimps, most people wouldn't think twice about calling it a "move". It just never gets used (not to imply that it has a ton of potential that has been overlooked, but that it's not useless).

 

[BigD!!!]

its pretty much down to opinion, no right answer

you say bad move, i say the best taunt

it has traits of both

no need for a drawn out debate

 

[Doc King]

Counting Taunts:
1. Mario's taunt
2. Young Link's taunt
3. Mewtwo's taunt
4. Falco's taunt
5. Fox's taunt

Not counting taunts:
1. Pichu's fair
2. Kirby's f throw
3. Kirby's b throw
4. Zelda's side B
5. Ganon's punch

 

[LatexRhombus]

regardless of whether luigi's taunt has a hitbox, pichu is top tier taunting. 2 taunts zomgwtfpichu?

 

[Metal Reeper]

Falcon's f throw can actually be pretty useful for throwing the opponent off the edge and attempting to edgeguard afterwards.

Yeah I agree, they usually DI away because they think they are gonna get dropzoned, but Fthrow might push them just a little too far.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Pichu's pummel.

/thread.

I CAN DO 1% TO YOU AT THE COST OF 1% TO ME.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

regardless of whether luigi's taunt has a hitbox, pichu is top tier taunting. 2 taunts zomgwtfpichu?

Taunt -> turn around -> ANOTHER taunt ARE YOU SERIOUS

 

[Roneblaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOE3XON9R4#t=1m26s


i disagree good sir.

 

[Dark Sonic]

regardless of whether luigi's taunt has a hitbox, pichu is top tier taunting. 2 taunts zomgwtfpichu?

I think Pikachu's taunt is substantially better?

Massive IASA frames ON A TAUNT?!

Talk about mindgames.

 

[LatexRhombus]

dunno, it hurts to get taunted by pichu, it really hurts to get taunted by pichu a 2nd time...a different way...

it's the unmeasurable mental anguish that only pichu can unleash.

he's the only character who can pull of the ulimate team combo.."you grab, i taunt...twice"

 

[Juggleguy]

Disagree on Falcon's fthrow, I've gotten kills with that before in Falcon dittos (and I've also been on the receiving end) where the opponent expects uthrow, DIs hard away, and simply goes too far off stage to make it back.

 

[hungrybox]

well luigi's DAFT can edgeguard spacies phantasm

pichu's dash attack though....


damn. that might be the contender in this contest.

 

[Winston]

What is Luigi's D-tilt for?

edgeguarding mango

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vR_CkeyqwE#t=0m18s

 

[TheGoat]

edgeguarding mango

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vR_CkeyqwE#t=0m18s

unsuccessfully?

 

[Pink Reaper]

I think its pretty safe to say Sheiks Down B is still the worst move in the game. It's probably the combination of turning you into a bad character AND leaving you completely open.


Edit:

Counting Taunts:
1. Mario's taunt
2. Young Link's taunt
3. Mewtwo's taunt
4. Falco's taunt
5. Fox's taunt

Not counting taunts:
1. Pichu's fair
2. Kirby's f throw
3. Kirby's b throw
4. Zelda's side B
5. Ganon's punch

Kirby's Bthrow is amazing. Pichu's Forward B is probably worse than his Fair.