Mario Boards: General Discussion

[hippiedude92]

I agree with matador. It's what makes my Diddy kong so beast and ADHD like <3.

*well not really >_>*

better off doing aib ladder matchs pretending its tourney set is the nearest thing u'll get or go to your friends house and do 5 cent to 50 cent money matchs pretend its tourney set too lol

 

[Flameleon]

-Talking about Dthrow, i've discovered another mixup that is from 0% to 33%...try a Dsmash after an Dthrow dudz...try to be in the middle of the enemy and the 2 hits of the Dsmash will hit, of course, it's easier with heavies-

 

[Veggi]

Why would someone do down smash instead of up smash?

 

[Javon89]

I wonder if this is a good move.
Fresh Dsmash at high percentage then charge up fludd and use it to propel yourself offstage, at the right timing B-up to stage-spike.
I'm just throwing that in there because I've actually performed this on training a few times

EDIt: possibly moar range

 

[Flameleon]

-Crazy things are the ones that works, Veggi, just like the one of Javon x9, things that the enemy will never expect..."Why would someone do down smash instead of up smash?" <just for this-

 

[Veggi]

Using FLUDD keeps Mario dedicated to unleashing FLUDD for too long. That would mean Mario would be vulnerable as well as extremely easy to avoid. Also, if you use FLUDD to push yourself farther off stage, why would you use a tactic that requires you to be close to the stage? Also, up b stage spike can be avoided by DI'ing away from the stage.

@ Flame

The only way a down smash would work is if they are stuck in an airdodge. If they are stuck in an airdodge, it doesn't matter what they expect. They're getting hit by whatever you feel like.

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Hmmm, aight, Javon.

 

[Matt07]

Veggi. Would the same be for Marf's up B too, and Metaknight's?

Nice Flame, Chrono Cross is amazing.

 

[Flameleon]

-33% with a throw and 1 smash worths it, don't u think, and i said "another mixup"...it good for Mario to have like 30+ mixup's after a Dthrow x9-

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

Or we could do smart things that have a lower chance of us getting punished. After all, we're not using the best character... the whole point of this game is to not be punished, and I'm sorry but Dthrow to Dsmash just... wouldn't really work out as well as you think it would. It'd be like dthrow to up-b. You can land it, there's just better options all the time.

 

[Javon89]

But I would be also good for planking too without to worry much about renewing invincibility frames and is pretty unpredictable so the surprise could kill them. (Unless you're M2k)

 

[Veggi]

I don't understand this part of your sentance: "-33% with a throw and 1 smash worths it."

Also, mix ups don't matter if a better move can land at all points that a worse one can. It's like if you break someone's shield. Why would you want to perform a blatantly not as good move? Just hit them with up smash. It covers a lot more options.

Veggi. Would the same be for Marf's up B too, and Metaknight's?

Nice Flame, Chrono Cross is amazing.

Dunno. I just know that my up b sometimes won't hit at an angle to stage spike on good players. There's some Shiek player who said he DI's away from the stage when hit by Mario's up b. I think MK's SL would still stage spike though.

 

[Flameleon]

-Ya, Dthrow>UpB is good too x9, but well, keep ur mind open, dudz-
@Veggi: Dthrow+both hits of Dsmash=33%...

 

[hippiedude92]

uh as long as you read people after they DI their habits if they Nair after they u dthrow them or if they like to DJ away from u, just know all of marios options after a dthrow and your fine lol. good players will tend to mix it up all the time though

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Down Throw to Up-B still work these days??

 

[Matt07]

Ya, I use it against Metaknight, since he's the most difficult to follow up with. Usually get 0-23% pretty quickly.

If you can nab the grab...

 

[hippiedude92]

why would you even do dthrow to upb? The risk vs reward is terrible. It's not even hard to juggle MK espically if they like to Dair after u dthrow, u can just like go for a bair or powershield or something

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

That's D smash to up B is risky on Meta Knight, but Meta Knight got like lag-less moves. I'll pull that on fast-fallers and heavy-weights. Up-Tilt to Up-B is a gud one too.

 

[Flameleon]

-I love to do risky things with Mario ; D -

 

[Javon89]

-I love to do risky things with Mario ; D -

Although recklessness can get you punished badly.

 

[Veggi]

Down Throw to Up-B still work these days??

Down throw>up b is a combo at certain percents, I believe.

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

I bet you suicide while doing risky stuff w/ Mario lol

 

[Javon89]

Nope I'm just a really careful player...

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

I just used to remember that D smash to up-B use to be a old Mario combo 24/7 and it still works.. cuz I used to do that a lot and then I stopped.

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

-I love to do risky things with Mario ; D -

You should work on that playstyle.

Dthrow -> Up-B isn't a true combo, Veggie. Truuust me, I love that to death. Using it though... is one of the dumbest things ever, (except at like 50% when the Up-B pops them far enough where you won't be punished but you still have better options)

Tbh, we all need to focus on what gets us punished and what doesn't, and work around the stuff that gets us punished (aka not using the right moves in the right situations), that's the only way we're going to make this character work as well as he's capable of. Basically, work to Mario's strengths and avoid his weaknesses (*don't get knocked offstage against good characters*)

 

[JUDGE]

dthrow => pivotgrab is greeeaaat^^
i love to do this^^
and after two regrabs they stop airdodging and you go for the upair chain^^

 

[A2ZOMG]

D-throw U-air is also a combo on all characters, the key thing you have to watch out for is people who air dodge. They can't actually attack or jump out of it, so their options are limited when you D-throw them.

So obviously, like JUDGE said, regrabbing and resetting the trap is a very good way to trick your opponent.

 

[Veggi]

Characters that have a 3 frame aerial can break out too methinks. Airdodge starts on frame 3, right?

 

[A2ZOMG]

Veggi, that's not how it works.

Attacks that induce tumble, it takes 13 frames to be allowed to initiate an air dodge, and it takes 25 frames to be allowed to initiate attacks, and then there is one last timer for "hitstun" based on knockback that determines when you are allowed to use specials and jumps.

You can hit people juust before they can attack, but not before they can airdodge.

 

[Veggi]

Oh, I did not know that.

 

[boss8]

so i had a dream right......mario was fighting fox like DBZ style......and mario would be throwing super fireballs......each fireball did 21%...xD fox was throwing lasers but this time his lasers can stun....like falcos......butthey where going just as fast as his regular laser.....so mario did some matrix ****....and dodge every single laser.....as mario was proceeding to destroy fox with lightining fast moves.....fox calls upon his crew....and the land master....

SO im like GG mario.......

mario tells me NO!!!

so as they fire lasers plasmas rockets etc......mario calls upon the spirit of

Big B-
BOx7-
famous-
boss-
kirin-
vato-
TC1-

and mario throws a cape.....not just a regular cape.....A CAPE SO POWERFUL THAT IF IT WHERE TO REFLECT ANYTHING IT WILL BE KNOWN TO BLOW UP THE PLANET.....

SO HE CAPES!!!!

when the smoke clears.....

me and ally remain....

and i woke up.......xD

 

[Veggi]

Ally remains? What does he have to do with the story, lol?

 

[fromundaman]

Veggi, that's not how it works.

Attacks that induce tumble, it takes 13 frames to be allowed to initiate an air dodge, and it takes 25 frames to be allowed to initiate attacks, and then there is one last timer for "hitstun" based on knockback that determines when you are allowed to use specials and jumps.

You can hit people juust before they can attack, but not before they can airdodge.

Wait... then is it different for throws?

I'm just thinking, Kirby has those Fthrow combos (Fthrow>Uair>other stuff) where the only way to avoid the Uair is by either SDIing away or by having a fast enough aerial to beat the Uair. You can't AD it, since it doesn't come out fast enough, but characters like Mario/Yoshi/etc can Nair it, and Mario/Marth can UpB it.

Also, I'm almost sure I've seen sex kicks beat Dthrow>Uair chains, but I may be wrong.




Boss, that dream was ****ing awesome XD

EDIT: WTF at the story edit XD

 

[boss8]

Ally remains? What does he have to do with the story, lol?

ally is the next villian/victim xD

Wait... then is it different for throws?

I'm just thinking, Kirby has those Fthrow combos (Fthrow>Uair>other stuff) where the only way to avoid the Uair is by either SDIing away or by having a fast enough aerial to beat the Uair. You can't AD it, since it doesn't come out fast enough, but characters like Mario/Yoshi/etc can Nair it, and Mario/Marth can UpB it.

Also, I'm almost sure I've seen sex kicks beat Dthrow>Uair chains, but I may be wrong.




Boss, that dream was ****ing awesome XD

'thanks mangz

 

[Matt07]

That's...quite the dream lol.

 

[Javon89]

Yea dreams like that are inspirational.

Btw Boss I've always wanted to ask you this, what is it like playing top players like Ally?

 

[A2ZOMG]

Wait... then is it different for throws?

I'm just thinking, Kirby has those Fthrow combos (Fthrow>Uair>other stuff) where the only way to avoid the Uair is by either SDIing away or by having a fast enough aerial to beat the Uair. You can't AD it, since it doesn't come out fast enough, but characters like Mario/Yoshi/etc can Nair it, and Mario/Marth can UpB it.

Also, I'm almost sure I've seen sex kicks beat Dthrow>Uair chains, but I may be wrong.




Boss, that dream was ****ing awesome XD

EDIT: WTF at the story edit XD

Kirby's F-throw as I recall does not induce tumble, which is why he has solid throw combos that don't get airdodged. After that, I really dunno.

Boss...that was the best dream I've ever heard of.

 

[Matador]

I lol'd pretty hard at that dream.


Ally doesn't stand a chance....XD

 

[vato_break]

wow ****.. xD

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

I'm so sad, I wasn't included in Boss's dream. D: