Majora's Mask Mafia | Game Over!

[Dastrn]

You're gettin' caught up in explainin' yourself. Does it matter as much as rootin' 'n tootin' out some scum? Nopey.

I owe the game some activity. I deserve to be pressured for my opinions, since no one has seen me react to anything yet. I'll keep responding to direct challenges to my ideas until I feel like stopping. I want you all to get a better read on me. One way or the other, I like pressure.

I'd like to root'n'toot some scum, Swiss. Best play today is either Adumbrodeus, RoxyFoxyMoxyPervykatymyladyparts, or DanGR.

I forget if I have voted yet, and I don't see a vote count recently.

unvote
vote: DanGR

 

[X1-12]

@Dastrn: What real benefit is there to role-claiming? actually think about this answer and for the love of god please don't say "It'll get people talking"

soon please

 

[DanGR]

That's not the part that mattered; it was that he was somewhat implying that you should be an authority on my playstyle.

4. DanGR - Speaking of which, I wanna hold DanGR's hand. :< I share a lot of his mindsets and his opinion of Vocal has been perfectly scaled all throughout the day, which is not something newer scum really pays attention to, I don't think.

He agrees with a "lot of my mindsets" and thinks my opinion of you has been "perfectly scaled", both of which I asked him to elaborate on- the latter of which I don't understand.

What do these statements have to do with implying I'm an authority figure on your style? He didn't mention anything about my thoughts about you being right or wrong, just the "scaling" was good.

 

[Dastrn]

@X1 - The real benefit to role claiming early is entirely dependent on the role in question. My role in question is honestly extremely weak. Weak enough that I honestly don't think I'll bother using it because the potential harm outweighs the potential benefits. It's like playing the lotto where the jackpot is four dollars. It's just not worth it.

Unless I can come up with some clever way to apply this weird dynamic to benefit town, I should be considered vanilla townie for now.

 

[-Vocal-]

He agrees with a "lot of my mindsets" and thinks my opinion of you has been "perfectly scaled", both of which I asked him to elaborate on- the latter of which I don't understand.

What do these statements have to do with implying I'm an authority figure on your style? He didn't mention anything about my thoughts about you being right or wrong, just the "scaling" was good.

I read it differently. Like I said, this would be a set up for the future, at which point you could build a lynch against me.

That is, if you were to be mafia, which still remains cloudy.

Btw, to all LoLers: I've discovered that Morg is so much more fun to play than Trist ^_^

 

[BSL]

Vocal, champ hoppin like a beast, lol.

Maybe he means scaling, as in his opinion of vox changed in the same way yours (Dan) did.

This makes twice now that someone, in this case dastrn, has said directly, "consider me town." I don't like it. Does that happen normally in games? If so, then ignore plz.

Don't remember the first person to say it.

 

[Dastrn]

I read it differently. Like I said, this would be a set up for the future, at which point you could build a lynch against me.

That is, if you were to be mafia, which still remains cloudy.

Btw, to all LoLers: I've discovered that Morg is so much more fun to play than Trist ^_^

Morgana is like the funnest champ ever.

Vocal, champ hoppin like a beast, lol.

Maybe he means scaling, as in his opinion of vox changed in the same way yours (Dan) did.

This makes twice now that someone, in this case dastrn, has said directly, "consider me town." I don't like it. Does that happen normally in games? If so, then ignore plz.

Don't remember the first person to say it.

I said "consider me vanilla" really.

We should get a decisive games LoL game together sometime. I mean playing league together. Although I also mean that Xatres and I are planning a League of Legends Mafia game.

 

[BSL]

"considered vanilla townie"

Vanilla townie = town. Which was my point. But again, is this normal? Cause my point may be moot.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

uhh ignore me agreeing with DanGR's post on adum, I think I misread. :<

K, Sir Bed, do you always try and look scummy? *Regrets accepting hydra requests willy nilly*

Nowhere near as scummy-looking as you. :D

also no

Did you read his post, Swiss? It was incredibly bland. It was like a giant serving of styrofoam soup. Hardly what I'd expect from someone paying attention at this point.

i am styrofoam

And also mostly skimmed before I joined. :<

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You can also just go into Dgames, find the thread of the game you want to ISO someone in, look for the number under the "Replies" header (for Majora's Mask, and with my post, it should be the number 328), click on the number, then click on the number correponding to the player you want to ISO under the "Posts" header (for Roxy, it'd be 31), and voila, all their posts.

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Not sure how I feel about this... I don't know what you mean by "scaled." What about my mindsets do you agree with? Or perhaps, what do you think my mindsets are right now?

By scaled, I mean your opinion of Vocal has transitioned, deescalated, changed (etc.) in such a logical and smooth way (i.e. no "why did he suddenly think that?"s) that your change of opinion must have either been legitimate (aka you're town) or faked (aka you're scum), and you're new enough to mafia that I think I can say with reasonable certainty that you aren't scum.

I'll explain this first.

I'm getting townie vibes from Vocal, considering everything I already know about him from my previous game with him: he's a very careless, carefree, but straightforward player, and plays as he sees things- more reactive than proactive. He also pays good attention to small details, though many times those details don't have much to do with the player's alignment... >_>

If he were mafia, I think he'd have picked up on my particular use of the word "survive" when I said "Do you think you'll survive by playing this way?"- as if to subtly imply he's trying to make it to the end as mafia. I thought he would have at least answered the question by rephrasing what I said, which he didn't. He used the word survive again.

I suspected he wouldn't notice if he was a townie, considering his careless nature and all. I think he'd be paying more attention if not.

When I first saw this post, I knee-jerked and thought "wait wtf wasn't he just saying recently that he wanted Vocal lynched? what's going on". But then I read on:

[@Vocal]

Why did you unvote me here? You didn't vote for anyone else immediately afterwards, so I'm guessing it was something in one of my previous posts or someone else's post that prompted you to unvote me? If so, what was it? Elaborate.

@Vocal, you didn't say much until I expressed my opinion that you're likely town, and X1 said recklessness was often a newbie town tell among new players.

Then all of a sudden you're multiquoting like a boss, questioning just about everyone at once, and implying that you think both X1 and Overswarm are probably scum.


Looks a lot like you just got comfortable posting more. What changed?



Which of OS and X1 do you find more scummy than the other, and why?
In post #150 you clearly went for the throats of both of them.

Just trying to get more information?

Cut it out. If you just wanted more information you wouldn't be accusing both of them of being mafia so soon. There's little point in pressuring them that much this early with how much info we've got. I would think you'd want to ask them more questions and less coming to conclusions:





And for emphasis, this:


What gives, Vocal? You're too confident.

Vocal, you're not going to help our cause by going around accusing random people of being mafia to elicite reactions from everyone. That's called being a huge distraction. Mafia or not, you're a hazard.


Okay, I'll help alleviate the pressure on X1.

Unvote Vote: Vocal

And I still want you to answer this:

-Vocal-: I'm going to be blunt. I'm just about literally sick of his playstyle. It's super distracting and I don't feel like any of it is going to help at any point in this game. I thought there was a good possibility he's mafia, but I realized I thought the same thing last game when he used the same useless playstyle, and turned out to be town. I want him dead, mafia or not. It's come to a point where it's difficult to be motivated to read his posts and respond to anything he says, and to some degree, this whole thread too, because that would mean I'd have to read through Vocal's posts.

Your opinion went from "hmm townie vibes, he's alright" to "uhh, better watch it there, not seeing why you're doing that" to "yo wtf man, what are you doing" to "omfg please lynch him". IMO, a perfectly reasoned and scaled reaction to a person's playstyle/actions, and not one that jumps extremes.

As for the other thing, mindset was probably a bad choice of word. :x I more or less meant that I liked some of the stances and points you've made throughout the game. I either thought the same thing as you, or was like "oh yeah", makes sense" when you said them. That, and I'm getting town vibes from you, and the town vibes I get in the early game are usually my strongest.

@DanGR - I didn't like your exchanges with vocal. I got the feeling that he was playing noobtown (could be a ruse, I guess) but that you refused to see it for what it most likely was, and continued to pressure him and exchange with him. The more I read, the more I became confident that exactly 1 of you was mafia. Not neither. Not both. I didn't like how either of you were playing the exchange. So I thought "one of these two is playing bad as town, and the other is playing bad as scum." It seemed relatively clear to me that Vocal was playing "bad at town" and that left "bad at scum" for you.

I don't agree with your read on the situation, but how did you come to conclusion that specifically one of them was mafia? Was it only because of the way they were playing the exchange? Also, are you really willing to trust your one read on this situation enough to make a lynch based on the logic of your read?

@BSL

Can't tell you if it's a common occurrence, because I've only seen it a few times in the games I've played. Obviously you shouldn't just believe the person when they say it lol, though I don't think that's what you were saying. Probably best to just ignore it when you see it, but when it comes to a case like Dastrn where he basically just claimed without pressure, we're probably going to have to deal with the issue eventually.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Day One Vote Count
[1] X1-12: Pierre the Scarecrow
[2] Vocal: X1-12, DanGR
[4] Roxy: Sir Bedevere, Overswarm, Swiss, Vocal
[1]DanGR: Dastrn

[3] Note Voting: Adumbrodeus, Pervatasaurus, BSL

Day one will end October 8th at 3:00 PM.
With eleven players remaining it takes six votes to lynch

 

[adumbrodeus]

Earlier:


Your answer seemed redundant to me if I took it as meaning you think he's a good player. That and Pierre hasn't said much yet so I'm not sure how you could come to the conclusion that you think he's a good player this early.

Hence the "seems".


Yes, it was redundant because I was agreeing with him, there's a lot in regards to competency you can tell early on, if you know what to look for. An MVP dice tends to be a major clue too.

But can't be sure hence the "seems".

EBWOP: "Your answer seemed redundant to me if I took it as meaning you think he's a good player. That and Pierre hasn't said much yet so I'm not sure how you could come to the conclusion that you think he's a good player this early."

I didn't mean to say conclusion as "final judgement". I meant it to mean and ongoing thought- as in your conclusion for now based on what you've seen so far.

I've noted changes as I went on, he's drawn my interest.

@DanGR - I didn't like your exchanges with vocal. I got the feeling that he was playing noobtown (could be a ruse, I guess) but that you refused to see it for what it most likely was, and continued to pressure him and exchange with him. The more I read, the more I became confident that exactly 1 of you was mafia. Not neither. Not both. I didn't like how either of you were playing the exchange. So I thought "one of these two is playing bad as town, and the other is playing bad as scum." It seemed relatively clear to me that Vocal was playing "bad at town" and that left "bad at scum" for you.

And what in your opinion suggests that one's bad at being mafia as opposed to them both being bad at being mafia?

if you read what i posted you would see it says you and pierre If you started posting more, neither you or him have done anything actively anti-town which is almost a rarity in this game

Ah, ok.


Fair enough.










Also...

Vote: Pierre the Scarecrow


Ohaithar

Care to exist?

Who's scum in your opinion?

 

[Swiss]

Best play today is either Adumbrodeus, RoxyFoxyMoxyPervykatymyladyparts, or DanGR.

Explain.

Answer my 314.


Das, this role. Why tell us you have a PR so weak as to be negligible? Other than a GREAT way of avoiding NK's for the fake claim/little chance of scum being rooted out and letting them know where not to go for cop/doc/vig etc (Unless (you're CLEVER WIFOM OMG). Wtf was the point.

I don't like you, 2bh. Adum will be D2/3 lynch, after OS.

 

[Swiss]

Probably.

X1, considering Vocal is just an idiot and obv town, why are you still voting him?

Same @ Dan.

 

[Dastrn]

Explain.

Answer my 314.


Das, this role. Why tell us you have a PR so weak as to be negligible? Other than a GREAT way of avoiding NK's for the fake claim/little chance of scum being rooted out and letting them know where not to go for cop/doc/vig etc (Unless (you're CLEVER WIFOM OMG). Wtf was the point.

I don't like you, 2bh. Adum will be D2/3 lynch, after OS.

i used past tense because I did my read through on my cell phone the night before, and so I was explaining what I was thinking while reading through.

The reason I feel like claiming early is because I honestly don't know what to do with this role. It seems like it probably hurts more than helps.

 

[BSL]

if it hurts more than helps, then why claim it at all?

 

[BSL]

and why would you even mention it?

 

[Swiss]

i used past tense because I did my read through on my cell phone the night before, and so I was explaining what I was thinking while reading through.

The reason I feel like claiming early is because I honestly don't know what to do with this role. It seems like it probably hurts more than helps.

If you have what I think you have you're an idiot. Complete idiot.

Google how to use it, you should be able to find out how (DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS).

Either way, you're an idiot.

Ffs it's like trying to get blood from a stone with you. Here's hoping you get NK'd in this game so you go join Castelvania.

 

[X1-12]

Probably.

X1, considering Vocal is just an idiot and obv town, why are you still voting him?

Same @ Dan.

not really sure

unvote

@X1 - The real benefit to role claiming early is entirely dependent on the role in question. My role in question is honestly extremely weak. Weak enough that I honestly don't think I'll bother using it because the potential harm outweighs the potential benefits. It's like playing the lotto where the jackpot is four dollars. It's just not worth it.

Unless I can come up with some clever way to apply this weird dynamic to benefit town, I should be considered vanilla townie for now.

But this **** reeks, seriously

Vote: Dastrn

 

[DanGR]

Probably.

X1, considering Vocal is just an idiot and obv town, why are you still voting him?

Same @ Dan.

The assumption that I think he's town right now is incorrect.

And I'd rather Vocal be lynched than anyone else atm, for reasons I've explained, so my vote stays on him for now.

My ideal lynch order:
Good read on scum>Vocal>inactives

 

[Dastrn]

not really sure

unvote




But this **** reeks, seriously

Vote: Dastrn

Or it's honest.
I've seen success in early claims recently. Not from cops or docs, but from these fringe roles. I consider claiming early in this case to see what it generates.

Be honest with yourself: what's the risk in early claiming a funny role that seems way underpowered? Town doesn't really stand to gain anything from me hiding it and using it hardly helps at best. I might as well be transparent and see what scum does with it. for example, scum might vote me at the mere thought of early claiming, without engaging in the discussion of WHY they don't like it. If I reply with a vote, they can say "oh...omgus...lame" and shrug it off easily. Pretty safe way to vote/wagon if there's no risk. (eyeballing x1 here, obviously)

Scum always need to look for BS opportunities to vote and wagon. It's risky to do so, and shows their colors a bit. But in this case, I've given scum a relatively safe opportunity to vote without analyzing anything.

We're far enough into D1 to be reading into one little comment, since you have the context of my whole D1 play to compare it to. X1, you're experienced enough to know this. So have at it. I invite you to quote my entire D1 activity, building a case against me that is consistent with your "this reeks" post.

Also, Cop, I invite you to investigate me if you want.

I'll claim as soon as I hear 5 people ask for it. Just say @dastrn - claim and I'll do it. There's little risk.

I did think of a way to use my role today while I was showering. I realized there are some subtle applications to it that could be useful to town eventually. Mostly, I think I can use it, invite a watcher/voyeur/etc or someone to keep an eye on me/my target to demonstrate that I'm being honest.

I also thought of really cool ways to build a separate game around balancing this ability to it would actually be useful immediately, instead of just cumulatively.

Anywho, X1, bring it bro. Let's see what you got.

 

[Overswarm]

I like how Dastrn just set up a WIFOM trap that wastes otherwise useful investigations, tracking, watching, while setting up his lynch for mid game rather than early game.




Dastrn, secrecy is best unless there's a mass claim, and mass claims generally result in people going off of a "gut feeling" while scum logically picks off strong targets.

Keep your ability secret until people decide to lynch you. Currently, you're an anti-town time bomb and, if you're town, that's not good. Try to think of a way your ability could somehow clear you.

 

[Swiss]

Just claim or don't. You have the role not us. Quit wasting time and making it this some epic decision.

 

[Swiss]

^ That made little sense.

Das just claim or don't, quit wasting time.

OS says don't claim. I can roll with that, unless you think claiming will help root out scum don't do it.
Don't like the way he's gone about this.

And I'm like mad late for the cinema now.

 

[Overswarm]

Does anyone call it the cinema anymore?

 

[Overswarm]

I'd like to lynch Roxy today because I'm all for not having to decide on D3

"Do we lynch this person that has dropped a few scum tells

OR

Do we lynch this person we know nothing about who has actively not participated"

Roxy isn't a strong enough player to where I can imagine an epic rising action where Roxy suddenly stops drinking, shaves, and becomes the hero everyone wanted. So...

 

[X1-12]

Does anyone call it the cinema anymore?

What else do you call it?

 

[X1-12]

We're far enough into D1 to be reading into one little comment, since you have the context of my whole D1 play to compare it to. X1, you're experienced enough to know this. So have at it. I invite you to quote my entire D1 activity, building a case against me that is consistent with your "this reeks" post.

I wouldn't eat an icecream if it had horse **** in it, even if only a small percentage of it is horsecrap

 

[Overswarm]

What else do you call it?

The movie theater?

"The movies"?

 

[Sir Bedevere]

i call them talkies :D

Be honest with yourself: what's the risk in early claiming a funny role that seems way underpowered? Town doesn't really stand to gain anything from me hiding it and using it hardly helps at best.

"hey guys, i got this role where my only ability is to vote, but what's the good in that if i don't know who to vote for?"

"hey guys, i have this ability that let's me determine someone's alignment, but i don't know who the mafia are!"

"hey guys, i have the power to protect anyone at night from night kills, but unless i figure out who the mafia are going to target, I don't see any point in using my ability..."

I'm over exaggerating, but really, there was no reason for you to claim like this. :/ Do you regularly claim D1 whenever you're a VT? Because that's effectively what you've done here, at least in your eyes. Yeah, OK, we don't gain anything from you hiding your role from us; but what do we gain? "Oh, ok, he's an almost VT, guess he's obvtown and we're never lynching him, score 1 cleared townie for town" is not gonna fly.

As for using it...there's a use for every role, even if it isn't obvious. Find it. Don't ask town for help or you'll look like the 3 examples above.

^above would be more relevant if you hadn't followed with saying you thought of a potential use, but this is all for, more or less, future reference

I have no idea how we're going to handle Dastrn's claim (except for maybe ignore it), but I do think that Dastrn isn't the play today. Someone please lynch Roxy if he doesn't contribute within a day or so, cus I don't want to be scrambling at the end (he's at L-2 currently, unless someone voted or unvoted since the last vote count).

also

I also thought of really cool ways to build a separate game around balancing this ability to it would actually be useful immediately, instead of just cumulatively.

omg arsonist slip lynch: dastrn the arsonist

 

[Overswarm]

Roxy has til tomorrow at 3 p.m. in my eyes.

 

[Purple]

OS, i do step up when the time is right, promise~

 

[X1-12]

OS, i do step up when the time is right, promise~

The time is right the WHOLE GAME

 

[Overswarm]

vote roxy

L-1.

 

[Purple]

You got trixies OS.

You're already on me.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

the trixies were the point, methinks :x

 

[Purple]

I mean, if he really wanted me to claim he could just ask :/

Why would you trick me OS, whyyyy ;-;

 

[Sir Bedevere]

not trixies for you, methinks x-x

 

[-Vocal-]

I'm not comfortable wagoning Roxy. I find his lack of activity appalling, yes, but statistically there is a higher chance of him being town, and for that reason I would be opposed to lynching him with no reasoning whatsoever. An inactive, live townie is better than a dead one. (You could argue that a dead, previously-inactive mafia members is better than an inactive, live one, but - once again - statistics.

Unvote: Roxy

Dastrn, I just think it was a poor decision to announce that you had a role at all :/ Every role has a use, and if yours can help discover mafia then you'll make yourself a target. I'm quite sure that it can, hence putting yourself in danger. Unless this is a day role (do those exist?) I really don't see how you had anything to gain from announcing this before even having a chance to use said role. Care to explain how this helps anyone at all?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Are you serious?

Vote: Roxy

Claim and give a good reason why we shouldn't lynch you.



NOBODY HAMMER YET!

I'm not comfortable wagoning Roxy. I find his lack of activity appalling, yes, but statistically there is a higher chance of him being town, and for that reason I would be opposed to lynching him with no reasoning whatsoever. An inactive, live townie is better than a dead one. (You could argue that a dead, previously-inactive mafia members is better than an inactive, live one, but - once again - statistics.

*facepalm*

No, statistically a no-lynch is the most anti-town ending for a given day if there's an odd amount of players and one NK (and usually it is the most anti-town ending though there are situations where it's optimal to skip a lynch to reduce the lynch pool).


Think about it this way, the fewer people, the more likely a random lynch will hit scum, furthermore if we skip a lynch we are losing a resource that we can never get back which is one chance at getting scum.


Town needs a lynch, a no lynch D1 is the most anti-town result we can get.


Just run the numbers, I can data drop for you, but it's dead obvious if you just think about it.

 

[Purple]

It's not L1 adumb; it never has been. It was only l-2 when OS 'voted', then it was brought down to L-3, now we're back at L-2 with your vote.

Did you like, completely miss me and Bedevere talking about that?

However, I do agree with Adumbrodeus' comment. You have a weird reason to unvote, and with your strong confidence about me not commenting at all unless i was attacking you (which was in team with swiss) you should have no reason not to vote me. I think your change of heart is fabricated at best.