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[Swiss]

I'm not comfortable wagoning Roxy. I find his lack of activity appalling, yes, but statistically there is a higher chance of him being town, and for that reason I would be opposed to lynching him with no reasoning whatsoever. An inactive, live townie is better than a dead one. (You could argue that a dead, previously-inactive mafia members is better than an inactive, live one, but - once again - statistics.

Unvote: Roxy

Dastrn, I just think it was a poor decision to announce that you had a role at all :/ Every role has a use, and if yours can help discover mafia then you'll make yourself a target. I'm quite sure that it can, hence putting yourself in danger. Unless this is a day role (do those exist?) I really don't see how you had anything to gain from announcing this before even having a chance to use said role. Care to explain how this helps anyone at all?

wtf is this

I call it the cinema. You got a problem with that, you got a problem with this pimp. *pops collar*

 

[adumbrodeus]

It's not L1 adumb; it never has been. It was only l-2 when OS 'voted', then it was brought down to L-3, now we're back at L-2 with your vote.

Did you like, completely miss me and Bedevere talking about that?

However, I do agree with Adumbrodeus' comment. You have a weird reason to unvote, and with your strong confidence about me not commenting at all unless i was attacking you (which was in team with swiss) you should have no reason not to vote me. I think your change of heart is fabricated at best.

I'm in class atm, I took a moment out to check the game, didn't notice that OS was in the last vote count already.



I don't think it's fabricated though, noobtown tend to be hesitant to kill people that they're not sure are scum, and the "no lynch is cool" is trademark noobtown.

 

[Overswarm]

So trademark I wouldn't be surprised if someone was feeding Vocal.

Roxy, claim.

 

[-Vocal-]

Are you serious?

Vote: Roxy

Claim and give a good reason why we shouldn't lynch you.



NOBODY HAMMER YET!



*facepalm*

No, statistically a no-lynch is the most anti-town ending for a given day if there's an odd amount of players and one NK (and usually it is the most anti-town ending though there are situations where it's optimal to skip a lynch to reduce the lynch pool).


Think about it this way, the fewer people, the more likely a random lynch will hit scum, furthermore if we skip a lynch we are losing a resource that we can never get back which is one chance at getting scum.


Town needs a lynch, a no lynch D1 is the most anti-town result we can get.


Just run the numbers, I can data drop for you, but it's dead obvious if you just think about it.

*facepalm*

Nobody suggested a no-lynch. I suggested a lynch elsewhere if another player has more reasoning supporting a lynch on him/her (are there girls in this game?).

It's not L1 adumb; it never has been. It was only l-2 when OS 'voted', then it was brought down to L-3, now we're back at L-2 with your vote.

Did you like, completely miss me and Bedevere talking about that?

However, I do agree with Adumbrodeus' comment. You have a weird reason to unvote, and with your strong confidence about me not commenting at all unless i was attacking you (which was in team with swiss) you should have no reason not to vote me. I think your change of heart is fabricated at best.

You're right I'm am extremely suspicious of you but I want those suspicions to be more confirmed before doing anything. I've seen people get wagoned to death on poor reasons and I do not want a townie dying.

wtf is this

I call it the cinema. You got a problem with that, you got a problem with this pimp. *pops collar*

I call it the motion pictures view-0-rama

So trademark I wouldn't be surprised if someone was feeding Vocal.

Roxy, claim.

:/

I honestly should just stop saying things. Forget everything I've ever said about anything, because none of it is ever useful and I'm apparently terrible at this game. I'm almost tempted to say lynch me now just so I won't be a distraction anymore, because I'm not helping anyone do anything of any use at all.

Maybe this makes me look like scum (somehow?). Maybe it'd be a good thing. Maybe I should stop rambling and actually pay attention to my Psych lecture. No, I definitely should pay attention now.

 

[Dastrn]

We had a game in the broom recently where town won because they no lynched D1 AND D3, and it was by far the best play they could have made.

True story.

With that said, usually no lynch is anti town because then scum gets all the killing done.

I am comfortable with wagoning roxy. I don't see any point in dragging it out if we're going to do it.

I'll stop talking about my role. I definitely didn't intend for any of that conversation to "clear" me or anything. I just tend to believe that since mafia have an information advantage to start, then town needs to start getting info to interact with soon. Usually 1 or 2 people end up claiming D1 anyways, and I almost NEVER am that person, so I thought "why not bring it up and see what happens." What happened was a bit distracting, so I'll stop wasting time.

unvote
vote: Roxy

Claim nuggah.

 

[adumbrodeus]

*facepalm*

Nobody suggested a no-lynch. I suggested a lynch elsewhere if another player has more reasoning supporting a lynch on him/her (are there girls in this game?).

Derailing a wagon with two days left and not presenting a viable alternative... what did you expect it to be taken as? Whether you intended it or not, that's what it was effectively?


Do you have a better wagon target? If so who and why?

 

[Overswarm]

I honestly should just stop saying things. Forget everything I've ever said about anything, because none of it is ever useful and I'm apparently terrible at this game. I'm almost tempted to say lynch me now just so I won't be a distraction anymore, because I'm not helping anyone do anything of any use at all.

Maybe this makes me look like scum (somehow?). Maybe it'd be a good thing. Maybe I should stop rambling and actually pay attention to my Psych lecture. No, I definitely should pay attention now.

This is called AtE. Appeal to Emotion. You did it again. =P


Think about what you say before you say it.

Think critically.

Is your statement merely a hunch, or is it something with substance?

If it is a hunch then you are either proposing something baseless that can only require you to ask more questions

or

you are scum and you are just muddying the waters

if it is something with substance, you have a follow-up


final solution to mafia: things you do that have logical and easily anticipated follow-ups = townie actions


as such


Roxy is wagoned for obvious and deliberate inactivity (no information given to town is anti-town)

Roxy doesn't claim or give any information

we tell Roxy "claim!" and vote to put 'em in danger

A) Roxy claims. Town then evaluates the claim. It could be that the player claims Doctor, or Cop, or some other useful role that we don't want to lynch. This is bad, so they won't want to claim; unfortunately they often are forced to when they are in a corner and don't contribute. This at least puts town in the good situation of directing scum's NKill as those roles will automatically be night killed if scum is even halfway competent. Added bonus if we have a tracker or watcher! If they don't, the person is either scum (easily caught) or is a power role that can help town. If they are scum and they claim, they often can be counter-claimed. Easy pickin'.

B) Roxy doesn't claim. Town has no reason to deviate from its current course unless someone else says something. Roxy is hammered indiscriminately. We evaluate the flip and the NKill.


See how all the town actions have a logical consistency to them? There is a specific action causing each turn of events that can be read and observed.

What town needs to do is make sure their own play isn't distracting in such a way that it appears they are doing "pro town" things like posting frequently, but with useless info, posting vague questions (I look for the ellipses a lot... classic tell of someone wnating someone else to do the work for them, which scum likes), appealing to emotion instead of logic, or buddying with players they think will protect them.

At the same time, they need to not let scum do that. Scum need to be forced to bus their partners to not have suspicion put on themselves. This is good for town, as there is less scum. As you do this, you notice scum acting in anti-town ways which are known as "scum tells". When someone does these things with consistency or, as is often the case, their actions are found to be in line with the desires of scum players that have already flipped, they are often wagoned.


tl;dr

make sense when you post
don't post useless stuff
anything that can look pro-town simply because it has no substance and is "safe", isn't pro-town
don't post anything that can be translated into "why me"

 

[-Vocal-]

Derailing a wagon with two days left and not presenting a viable alternative... what did you expect it to be taken as? Whether you intended it or not, that's what it was effectively?


Do you have a better wagon target? If so who and why?

I expected it to be taken as I thought of it - cautiously avoiding a mislynch - but this just goes towards that terrible player thing I was just talking about. Whatever, I'll put it back. If I counted correctly this is 5 votes. If I counted wrong...well whatever.

Vote: Roxy

 

[-Vocal-]

And OS, I wasn't appealing to anyone's emotion, I was just being real. Real talk, straight up, mind to page, period.

That said, you make sense. Let's kill Roxy already.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I expected it to be taken as I thought of it - cautiously avoiding a mislynch - but this just goes towards that terrible player thing I was just talking about. Whatever, I'll put it back. If I counted correctly this is 5 votes. If I counted wrong...well whatever.

Vote: Roxy

*facepalm*


Recount, my vote made it L-2, Dastrn's made it L-1, you just hammered...


We NEVER hammer people without giving them a chance to make a claim cause we don't wanna lynch power roles.



OS gave you a nice little basic rundown of playing as town, but what he didn't mention is "playing unsafe is not the same as playing recklessly".



*hands dunce cap*

 

[-Vocal-]

Guess it's too late to unvote?

Add it to the list of things I'm not good at :/

 

[Dastrn]

Yikes. Did that just happen?!

I guess we were all on that wagon on purpose, but jeez, I would have liked to see him squirm first at least, so we could have seen how people reacted and who hammered after the squirm.

 

[-Vocal-]

Yikes. Did that just happen?!

I guess we were all on that wagon on purpose, but jeez, I would have liked to see him squirm first at least, so we could have seen how people reacted and who hammered after the squirm.

You are one post from 4,000. Enjoy it.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Guess it's too late to unvote?

Add it to the list of things I'm not good at :/

Yea...





Crossed the line on dumbtown, now in VI territory, please read some games here and on mafiascum and lrn2play.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

Bleh. >_> Oh well, claims usually don't save anyone anyway (unless it's D1 vig :D).

Roxy, say anything you want to say/give any info you find relevant to town ASAP.

 

[-Vocal-]

Yea...





Crossed the line on dumbtown, now in VI territory, please read some games here and on mafiascum and lrn2play.

No, I crossed the line into "I truly will contribute nothing to this game so it truly does not matter what I do it will be the wrong thing so I stop caring enough to count more than once."

I call myself for lynch tomorrow, I'm tired of being wrong at everything.

 

[BSL]

i call it the movies, and when i read cinema i immediately thought it was strange. sounds like i got a problem, with you pimpswiss.

/notmafiarelated

so thats it? roxy's done? lol, bummer. this means we are in twilight, right?

I'll stop talking about my role. I definitely didn't intend for any of that conversation to "clear" me or anything. I just tend to believe that since mafia have an information advantage to start, then town needs to start getting info to interact with soon. Usually 1 or 2 people end up claiming D1 anyways, and I almost NEVER am that person, so I thought "why not bring it up and see what happens." What happened was a bit distracting, so I'll stop wasting time.

@Dastrn: was bold your reasoning behind mentioning your possible role claim?

why not just actually claim, rather than say," hey guys i have a role but i might not claim it. kthx." (not an actual quote)

 

[Overswarm]

vig, kill vocal and save us the trouble please.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

Oh cool, we have Twilight phase? I always wanted to be in a game with one. :>

I don't agree with your read on the situation, but how did you come to conclusion that specifically one of them was mafia? Was it only because of the way they were playing the exchange? Also, are you really willing to trust your one read on this situation enough to make a lynch based on the logic of your read?

Yo Dastrn, you gonna respond to this? Slightly irrelevant now, but answer it as if Roxy was never a lynch and you were still voting DanGR.

agreed on vig target >_<

 

[adumbrodeus]

No, I crossed the line into "I truly will contribute nothing to this game so it truly does not matter what I do it will be the wrong thing so I stop caring enough to count more than once."

I call myself for lynch tomorrow, I'm tired of being wrong at everything.

*smacks*


Stop it, giving up accomplishes nothing, you still have an obligation to help fulfill your wincon (which I'm pretty sure is town based on your play so far) . You have your mistakes pointed out to you, so rather then drowning in them, you know what you can do? LEARN.


My first game I was as bad at this as you are (maybe worse cause I refused to accept the remote possibility that I was wrong and refused to accept any advice). Then I got a hard kick to the teeth that I was being dumb as a rock and made a firm purpose of amendment to fix my play using the advice I had previously ignored as the centerpiece of my attempt to fix it. I didn't exactly manage to turn it around, but I improved my play enough to win my second game as a pro-town indy (hunter) and I got an MVP for the the game after the next game I played on the site.




So, at the very least, assuming you don't get vigged tonight, TRY. If you do, join a newbie game or hydra with an experienced player.

 

[DanGR]

I take it back.

Vocal>good read on scum>inactives.

 

[DanGR]

Sorry, I don't mean to rub it in, Vocal.

 

[-Vocal-]

You have your mistakes pointed out to you, so rather then drowning in them, you know what you can do? LEARN.

Then I got a hard kick to the teeth that I was being dumb as a rock and made a firm purpose of amendment to fix my play using the advice I had previously ignored as the centerpiece of my attempt to fix it.

This is what I was trying to do when I said I'd talk less. Then just by unvoting I'm doing something wrong. Even when I try to think about it, every single thing I've done in this game has been the wrong thing to do and there just is no point in me being a player in it. I contribute absolutely nothing and my posts do nothing but distract. There is nothing I can do to help town in this game besides die.

If you do, join a newbie game or hydra with an experienced player.

I was considering this, but I really don't know if I should give anyone the handicap of having me on their team.

Sorry, I don't mean to rub it in, Vocal.

Np, it's probably the best thing you could possibly do.

 

[Dastrn]

Mistakes happen. Don't snowball out of control from here. Just try.

Not saying I won't vote you D2 or anything, but don't quit. And don't stop playing.

 

[-Vocal-]

Mistakes happen. Don't snowball out of control from here. Just try.

Not saying I won't vote you D2 or anything, but don't quit. And don't stop playing.

Meh. I tried and failed, enough of my QQ.

Also, I see you hit 4,000. Congrats :D

 

[Purple]

What the ****?


I died?

 

[Purple]

I mean, i guess i deserved it.

I tried to act inactive enough to lead people to want to check me at night, but not townie enough to die. I'm a watcher, however I only see people who check me at night.


Ah well, a lesson learned. Good luck town.

 

[Purple]

By die, i meant NK

 

[Purple]

EBWOP: Sorry Hilt if i wasn't allowed to say that, don't blacklist me ;-;

 

[Dastrn]

You're allowed until he makes a "you're dead" post. Keep talking. It's ok.

 

[Purple]

Alrighty,

well a few things I don't like.


I don't like that Vocal is being let off as noob town.

I don't like that all the direction of conversation is towards Vocal and only Vocal, while there are small points here and there, none of them seem strongly pressed.

I don't like how JSD is posting.

I don't like that DanGR's comments on the matter.

 

[Overswarm]

Wow, GJ Roxy. Way to take a useful role and use it in the least useful way possible.

You know what would have been better? anything at all.

 

[Purple]

Honestly, I wouldn't have been able to do much except find people who successfully do something to me. -_-.

Not 'watcher', 'self watcher'

 

[BSL]

][/B]@Dastrn: was bold your reasoning behind mentioning your possible role claim?

why not just actually claim, rather than say," hey guys i have a role but i might not claim it. kthx." (not an actual quote)

daaaaaaaastrn, i'd like an answer to this.

 

[-Vocal-]

Alrighty,

well a few things I don't like.


I don't like that Vocal is being let off as noob town.

I don't like that all the direction of conversation is towards Vocal and only Vocal, while there are small points here and there, none of them seem strongly pressed.

I don't like how JSD is posting.

I don't like that DanGR's comments on the matter.

I can comment on this. I was kind of already having a bad day earlier (fffffff midterms and spanish) which made me extremely pessimistic about game performance. My evaluation was sound, but my vision towards the future may have been a bit heavily laden, meaning that if I were to not be lynched tomorrow then I'd find a way to be helpful. Of course I still recognize there's a pretty good chance of me getting lynched

Anyways, were I to not be the planned target of tomorrow's mob, someone should visit me ToNight. If you have such a role and don't have a lead on someone else, it might be a good idea.

 

[Swiss]

Does anyone have any idea how many times I've facepalmed reading this?

Great job guys. Great job.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Night of the First Day

Katy My Lady, Kaepora Gaebora, the Self Watcher has been lynched!

Day One Vote Count
[1] X1-12: Pierre the Scarecrow
[1] Vocal: DanGR
[6] Roxy: Sir Bedevere, Overswarm, Swiss, Adumbrodeus, Dastrn, Vocal
[1] Dastrn: X1-12

[2] Note Voting: Roxy, BSL

The night phase will last until Sunday, October 10th at 11:59 PM, so send me your night actions before then!

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Dawn of the Second Day

BSL, Sakon, the Vanilla Townie has been killed!

DanGR has been abducted. He is no longer able to talk or vote. He will not count towards the vote count and can not be lynched or killed in any way, outside of modkills. Any information regarding whether he can or will return to the game can not be given.

With eight players remaining it will take five to lynch. The deadline has been set for October 21st at 3:00 PM.

 

[BSL]

10 's

 

[-Vocal-]

Dawn of the Second Day

BSL, Sakon, the Vanilla Townie has been killed!

DanGR has been abducted. He is no longer able to talk or vote. He will not count towards the vote count and can not be lynched or killed in any way, outside of modkills. Any information regarding whether he can or will return to the game can not be given.

With eight players remaining it will take five to lynch. The deadline has been set for October 21st at 3:00 PM.

Well this is fascinating. Who would have the greatest to gain from keeping Dan safe and silent for a day - town or mafia?

I'm upset that BSL was lynched (may he rest in peace) solely because there's little to no context to extrapolate from. He had very few posts, so he was a very safe lynch for mafia. I guess we start exploring who would want to keep Dan safe, why, and go from there.

Unless you all just want to lynch me (didn't forget that's a viable option).